Young Justice (Spoilers)

[Jayngfet]

From when Aqualad captured the team and blue up the cave... he used magic to take down blue saying that he had suspected the beetle might be vulnerable to magic, of which he was correct

Considering Doctor Fate and Captain Marvel are both magic, in addition to Zatanna, they MIGHT have enough firepower. Aqualad's magic water may help if he's back in time.

[Flickerdart]

The Beetles have a weakness one known to Aqualad, they're vulnerable to magic... now what were you saying about Dr Fate and Captain Marvel?

Does anyone have fire magic? Because that would mess Green up something fierce.

[kpenguin]

I imagine that worst come to worst Zatanna could toss some sllaberif

[kitep]

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(Also the end seems to indicate the crystal key is a big power source/power enhancer of sorts)

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I thought the crystal key was the key to war world, as in he who controls the key controls war world - which is a valuable prize indeed.

[smuchmuch]

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It is the key to the war world.
But I don't think the war world was the 'value' the embassador was talking about. (not the only one at least ). It seems too flashy, too direct, for the Reach's Modus Operandi.
It could be that the embassador was also talking about the whole team being put out (all these superhuman captured for metagene research must make him giddy) but the way the last shots were kinda let me thinks the key seems to have value by itself.

Also the way BB puts the crysal in his armor (that seems to acomodate it) before putting the smackdown on Superboy (who was easily the most resilient of all the team members present) in one shot and one punch let me thinks his punch were enhanced by it. (I could be wrong, he could just have done it for safekeeping, but that's how I understand it though.).

I know lots of people have said Blue in scarab control already went toe to toe with Black who can hold his own against the whole team, but looking back at the fight in 'before the Dawn', black actualy had help of Shimers and he was on his 'turf' (a ship he could control just by touching th wlls) and the team still got away.BLue here barely broke a sweat, so definitively much more powerfull, i'd say, even counting for the element of suprise on his side.

[Mutant Sheep]

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Weird no one is talking in here... It was great to see M'gann finally use her mental powers well, I was very tired of her throwing things when we know she can just Force Choke the Mooks.

[Hopeless]

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Weird no one is talking in here... It was great to see M'gann finally use her mental powers well, I was very tired of her throwing things when we know she can just Force Choke the Mooks.

Should I spoiler how Sportsmaster made time to spend the day with his daughters...?

Aqualad is back! they should make a rhyme with that similar to mighty mouse's!

[smuchmuch]

I have just ONE thing to comment about this episode:

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The face Aqualad makes when Manta hugs him is priceless

[BRC]

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It is the key to the war world.
But I don't think the war world was the 'value' the embassador was talking about. (not the only one at least ). It seems too flashy, too direct, for the Reach's Modus Operandi.
It could be that the embassador was also talking about the whole team being put out (all these superhuman captured for metagene research must make him giddy) but the way the last shots were kinda let me thinks the key seems to have value by itself.

Also the way BB puts the crysal in his armor (that seems to acomodate it) before putting the smackdown on Superboy (who was easily the most resilient of all the team members present) in one shot and one punch let me thinks his punch were enhanced by it. (I could be wrong, he could just have done it for safekeeping, but that's how I understand it though.).

I know lots of people have said Blue in scarab control already went toe to toe with Black who can hold his own against the whole team, but looking back at the fight in 'before the Dawn', black actualy had help of Shimers and he was on his 'turf' (a ship he could control just by touching th wlls) and the team still got away.BLue here barely broke a sweat, so definitively much more powerfull, i'd say, even counting for the element of suprise on his side.

So I just bingewatched the entire series.

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Concerning Blue vs Everybody. Surprise is HUGE. He's certainly a heavy hitter, but I don't think he's "Take Out Everybody" Heavy.

I'm still not sure why Nightwing had to keep everybody in the dark about Operation Undercover Aqualad. I mean, Compartmentalization is all well and good, but he could probably have told Miss M. At least, she's got enough psychic mojo to handle any hostile mind readers, and a mid-battle psychic Link would be a great way to pass information.

Also, why has it not yet come up that the Reach revealed their hidden fleet? They made a show of saying they only have the one, unarmed ship. Did nobody notice the massive fleet rising out of the ocean to shoot down missiles?

Also, am I the only one that hopes that Lex is being honest with team runaway?
I mean, he totally intends to turn them into his own superpowered hit squad, that's not even up for debate. The only question is whether he is going to manipulate them, or just mind control them.
I mean he's honest when he says he suspects that the Reach is just using him (Which, if the Impulse Future is anything to go by, they are)

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[One Tin Soldier]

So I just bingewatched the entire series.

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Concerning Blue vs Everybody. Surprise is HUGE. He's certainly a heavy hitter, but I don't think he's "Take Out Everybody" Heavy.

I'm still not sure why Nightwing had to keep everybody in the dark about Operation Undercover Aqualad. I mean, Compartmentalization is all well and good, but he could probably have told Miss M. At least, she's got enough psychic mojo to handle any hostile mind readers, and a mid-battle psychic Link would be a great way to pass information.

Also, why has it not yet come up that the Reach revealed their hidden fleet? They made a show of saying they only have the one, unarmed ship. Did nobody notice the massive fleet rising out of the ocean to shoot down missiles?

Also, am I the only one that hopes that Lex is being honest with team runaway?
I mean, he totally intends to turn them into his own superpowered hit squad, that's not even up for debate. The only question is whether he is going to manipulate them, or just mind control them.
I mean he's honest when he says he suspects that the Reach is just using him (Which, if the Impulse Future is anything to go by, they are)

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Oh hey, me too. Bingewatching, that is.

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Since it was never brought up by the League or anyone else, I'm guessing they used the confusion (and the sheer number of flying missles) to cover the ships' entry. Everyone was paying attention to the incoming missles, not so much to the outgoing ones.

I would also guess that Lex is being honest about being played by the Reach. The apparent goal of the Light is to accelerate human evolution, and turning the entire human population into cattle seems to be an exceptionally poor way to do that.

[HalfTangible]

What does it say about me that I immediately ascribed Blue Beetle's sudden 'fix' at the hands of the green beetle to be bad writing as opposed to foreshadowing?

[Sanguine]

What does it say about me that I immediately ascribed Blue Beetle's sudden 'fix' at the hands of the green beetle to be bad writing as opposed to foreshadowing?

I don't know, but my first thoughts were. "Blue you idiot! Do the words self-fulfilling prophecy mean nothing to you?"

[HalfTangible]

I don't know, but my first thoughts were. "Blue you idiot! Do the words self-fulfilling prophecy mean nothing to you?"

eh, i trusted greenie too. i figured the reach were serious when they said the original host would have to die

[The Bushranger]

eh, i trusted greenie too. i figured the reach were serious when they said the original host would have to die

Well, if you want to get technical about it: the original host did...

[smuchmuch]

Frankly Greenie was pretty much clearly suspicious when he offered to nicely 'forward' his thoughs to Megan so she wouldn't have to intrude.

eh, i trusted greenie too. i figured the reach were serious when they said the original host would have to die

I think they likely were.
Bringing in the Green beetle likely was devised later as a plan B and it's possible they weren't sure themselves it would work.

[HalfTangible]

Well, if you want to get technical about it: the original host did...

They were referring to the current blue beetle and you know it.

Frankly Greenie was pretty much clearly suspicious when he offered to nicely 'forward' his thoughs to Megan so she wouldn't have to intrude.

In retrospect, yeah, shoulda caught that. But at the time I figured it wouldn't make much difference.

[BRC]

In retrospect, yeah, shoulda caught that. But at the time I figured it wouldn't make much difference.

Yeah, but what would have happened had she NOT been cautious about using her telepathy. Maybe he was counting on his martian mindpowers to hide his true intentions? Or the Scarabs just have the ability to hide stuff from telepathy.

[HalfTangible]

Yeah, but what would have happened had she NOT been cautious about using her telepathy. Maybe he was counting on his martian mindpowers to hide his true intentions? Or the Scarabs just have the ability to hide stuff from telepathy.

It's possible the Scarabs can change a person's thoughts so that the person in question is still themselves, just with a loyalty to the reach. Possibly even just temporarily. (Minor spoilers for last two or three episodes)

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(while Blue is becoming more aggressive, if the scarab was the ONLY thing deciding what got done there would be no reason to keep speech ticks such as 'hermano' once he betrayed the team on the war world)

Another possibility is that they can mask their thoughts just as well as they mask their personalities. Keep in mind,

[BRC]

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Psymon. Artimis knocks him out with the comatoxin, but unless that also wipes his memory, they are in serious trouble. It apparently lasts "Weeks", which probably means anything between 2-4 weeks, potentially 2-8.

The point is, he's going to wake up at some point, at which point his first move will be to reveal what he knows.
Artemis knows this, so presumably does Aqualad. Why are they still on the sub waiting for brainboy to wake up and spill the beans.

[HalfTangible]

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Psymon. Artimis knocks him out with the comatoxin, but unless that also wipes his memory, they are in serious trouble. It apparently lasts "Weeks", which probably means anything between 2-4 weeks, potentially 2-8.

The point is, he's going to wake up at some point, at which point his first move will be to reveal what he knows.
Artemis knows this, so presumably does Aqualad. Why are they still on the sub waiting for brainboy to wake up and spill the beans.

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Probably going to push their luck and/or get Psymon off of the ship. Some drugs also have a memory-wiping effect on the victim, so it's possible their cover is secure for now in any case. But if Aqualad never meets the Light, then his whole deep-cover op was pointless from day 1.

[Aotrs Commander]

Having caught up, I have to say I think Miss M has become quite my favourite character of the entire series (and I liked her from when she first showed up in Teen Titans the comic before the reboot got to it.).

[Hopeless]

Having watched the last three episodes in a row (well will watch the third in a minute or so) I was wondering if you redo this entire series so far what would you change?

Other than release the computer game before the start of the 2nd season I mean!

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Well if the Reach was invited no Green Lantern can return to Earth ever as quoted by John Stewart!
I wonder when they actually arrived but it does explain why no GL has been seen on Earth since...

Hmm...

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So if Impulse hadn't come from the future how many of the renegades would have escaped given they certainly couldn't have saved Jaime so I suppose that would confirm it can't be Jaime as the Blue Beetle of the future and Neutron wouldn't have been cured but... with the Flash dead and something obviously kept the League on trial away from Earth since Gl might not return but the others should have... is this a plot hole?

[Zevox]

Having watched the last three episodes in a row (well will watch the third in a minute or so) I was wondering if you redo this entire series so far what would you change?

Other than release the computer game before the start of the 2nd season I mean!

More than that - I'd want the first portion of season 2 rewritten entirely so that the time skip doesn't happen at all, and we actually see the parts that we spent the first third or so of the season slowly getting recounted for us. Frankly, I wasn't able to enjoy season 2 much until we were finally out from under the time skip's shadow.

[smuchmuch]

Doubt it would work. The timeskip had a reason to be here, it's done well enough and perfectly apropriate.
You wouldn't be able to smoothmy introduce and devellop half the plot points of the start of the season (Aqualad is a 'traitor', the evolution of Megan and Superboy relationship, the new characters, the devellopement of the old ones) without having at the very minimum twice as many episodes without it.

(However they did miss a perfectly good option to show us a flashback of Tulla's death and what happned between Aqualad/Tulla and aquaman when Megan went into his mind for the second time. But sometime some things are just better left to imagination.) Also why was Mal was authorised into the team before he became the new guardian, because he was dating bumblebee ?

My only beef with the season so far is 'Cornered', that episode really felt like pointless padding to me. Wouldn't mind if we get to see a bit more of the LIght but with the latest episodes, looks like the are starting to make their move.

[Zevox]

Doubt it would work. The timeskip had a reason to be here, it's done well enough and perfectly apropriate.
You wouldn't be able to smoothmy introduce and devellop half the plot points of the start of the season (Aqualad is a 'traitor', the evolution of Megan and Superboy relationship, the new characters, the devellopement of the old ones) without having at the very minimum twice as many episodes without it.

I don't believe that is the case - honestly, most of the early episodes of this season mattered little save insofar as they revealed things we only didn't know because of the time skip. Because of how much of it would then occur before the Kroloteans and Reach arrive on Earth there would be much less time spent with those races in hiding, but I'd call that a good thing, as that was by far the least interesting part of the season.

I'd also be perfectly happy to cut down on the number of new characters, which I still think is quite excessive. Outside of Blue Beetle and maybe now Arsenal and the four former Reach captives, they're just not that important.

[Mutant Sheep]

There are a few too many new characters (Beast Boy still seems to not fit in, but that's personal "why don't ALL Martians donate blood" complaints) but I think that Lagoon Boy just... Didn't work. We never learned a thing about him, and didn't even have Bumblebee's minorcharacter gig for season one.

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Godfrey's ripping into The Ambassador might well be the greatest fictional television ever. So beautiful. Arsenal was cool, Nightwing could have been nicer about it. And, related to Godfrey, Apocalypse is getting big. Also, SLADE IS AWESOME.

[Lord Seth]

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Psymon. Artimis knocks him out with the comatoxin, but unless that also wipes his memory, they are in serious trouble. It apparently lasts "Weeks", which probably means anything between 2-4 weeks, potentially 2-8.

The point is, he's going to wake up at some point, at which point his first move will be to reveal what he knows.
Artemis knows this, so presumably does Aqualad. Why are they still on the sub waiting for brainboy to wake up and spill the beans.

That kind of bugged me, but what bugged me more is, if the Light had Psimon ready to just check out Aqualad's brain all along, why they didn't just have him check Aqualad right off the bat to see if he was loyal.

As for the newest episode, Godfrey chewing out the Reach was cool to see because up until now he's really done nothing but be gullible, so it's nice to see him show some level of intelligence. One thing did bug me about that scene, though, and that's that we never saw the Reach Ambassador's response. It just makes them look incompetent as villains if their plan was to just go on the show and not have any explanation ready. It would've been better if they had attempted an explanation (like, I don't know, "we didn't want to alert Mogul to our secret defense weapon until we used it"), and then have Godfrey start poking holes in that before cutting away.

[The Bushranger]

Well if the Reach was invited no Green Lantern can return to Earth ever as quoted by John Stewart!
I wonder when they actually arrived but it does explain why no GL has been seen on Earth since...

That does beg the question, though: where are Hal and Guy?

That kind of bugged me, but what bugged me more is, if the Light had Psimon ready to just check out Aqualad's brain all along, why they didn't just have him check Aqualad right off the bat to see if he was loyal.

Because the Light didn't have Psimon ready all along - Black Manta said he managed to convince Queen Bee to let him out of Biyala to help Kal'duran. This implies that Queen Bee keeps him on a short leash - he isn't "the Light's psionic troubleshooter", he's more the Beria to Queen Bee's Stalin keeping Biyala at a low boil. Checking out a defector whose story seemed solid was one thing; repairing a Martian mind-whammy for a friend(?)'s son, quite another.

[HalfTangible]

That kind of bugged me, but what bugged me more is, if the Light had Psimon ready to just check out Aqualad's brain all along, why they didn't just have him check Aqualad right off the bat to see if he was loyal.

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I imagine no response was ready because they thought (like I did) that Godfrey was a moron who enjoyed bashing on the Justice League just because it was the Justice League. IE, they thought Godfrey was on their side and would throw them softballs.

That was not a softball.

(also, they kinda DID do the situation you brought up - the reach started to answer with a lie, then Godfrey poked a massive gaping hole in the ambassador's story before the cutaway)

[Zevox]

There are a few too many new characters (Beast Boy still seems to not fit in, but that's personal "why don't ALL Martians donate blood" complaints) but I think that Lagoon Boy just... Didn't work. We never learned a thing about him, and didn't even have Bumblebee's minorcharacter gig for season one.

Yeah, if it were up to me, Lagoon Boy would definitely be the first character on the chopping block. All he's managed the whole season is to annoy me with his fish puns. I was actively happy when he got captured, just because it meant he wouldn't be around to do that for a while.

From there, Bumblebee and Mal have been largely pointless, so they'd go next. Followed by Robin, Batgirl, and Wonder Girl, who have done little if anything more than Bumblebee and Mal. Beast Boy at least had some nice moments with Miss Martian, but other than that I wouldn't hesitate to remove him either. Which would leave *looking over wikipedia list of characters* Blue Beetle, Impulse, and Arsenal. Yeah, that sounds about right. Though honestly I'm not convinced Impulse is that important at this point either, but I suppose that could still change.

And hell, maybe with fewer new characters around, they could've kept Zatanna and Rocket and actually developed them. That would've been nice.