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2011-09-13, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Based on this definition, my best standing high jump is only around 26 inches*; on the other hand, I bet I could hit at least 30 inches if I weren't still sore from working out too hard Sunday afternoon and if I weren't sick with whatever I'm sick with. I also feel as though I was holding back a little bit for fear of smacking into the rough concrete wall.
*This is a rough measurement based on jumping next to a wall and marking it with chalk. That's only about DC 16, then.
See, I was thinking more like this initially. While I was outside measuring my reach, I also measured my highest standing jump up onto something and I can't jump onto something higher than 4 feet (give or take a few inches) without a running start. What would you guys estimate the DC for that to be? I'm 5'9, if that helps anything.
And wow, dunking a basketball, assuming a running start, should only be about DC 12. Wikipedia says a standard basketball hoop is 10' high, and I just measured my reach (I'm in the 50th percentile for adult American male height) to be ~7'6, or ~7' to my wrist. (I'm assuming you need at least a few inches of your hand to clear the hoop in order to dunk the ball into the hoop.)Jude P.
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2011-09-13, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I believe this is based off of how high they can get their feet, similar to how D&D records high jumps.
Admittedly, not 100% on how NBA measured Jordan's high jump.
In the real world track and field, yes. In D&D where monsters have a variety of limb lengths and such (many good jumpers don't even have hands), it doesn't work.
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2011-09-13, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think we can just sum this up as "In D&D, even a trained athlete is as likely to break the world record as to embarass himself horribly".
And move on.Let me give you a brief rundown of an average Post-3E Era fight: You attack an enemy and start kicking his shins. He then starts kicking your shins, then you take it in turns kicking until one of you falls over. It basically comes down to who started the battle with the biggest boot, and the only strategy involved is realizing when things have gone tits up and legging it.
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2011-09-13, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Assuming height of 6'7" for average NBA player, the Virtruvian Man by Da Vinci suggests a single arm length of 3'3.5".
Amusingly enough, that's just over ten feet.
Also according to the general proportions, the length of a man's leg between his foot and his knee should be roughly 1/4 his height, or 1'7.75" for Joe the NBA star.
Compare that mental image with this one.
After a Dunk.
Note that his feet hang to about knee level for the other players, suggesting the minimum height his feet would need to clear to achieve a dunk.
That being said, 2 feet high for a dunk on a running jump is indeed a DC 8. This is why we rarely see professional players failing to dunk when unhindered.
I, on the other hand, at 5'7" with a reach of 2'9.5" for a maximum vertical reach of 8'4.5" inches would need 1'8". Roughly 2 feet to touch a rim. On a running jump I can rarely do this. Why? My Str is likely lower than 12. I probably don't have ranks in it.
Note, too, that my vertical reach isn't too far off from what WotC suggests, and that humans are among the taller of the medium core races.
Is it impossible? No. I think I can touch the rim about every other try. My friend Nielson could jump like a mofo. The man could also do standing backflips, so clearly his ability scores were better suited.
In other words, what Firechanter said.
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2011-09-13, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going to have to assume that the 40"+ jumps you mentioned are based on vertical reach, not on the height one's feet can reach, considering I just jumped up onto a 4' stone wall and I'm not even at my peak today.
Based on that, 26" is probably the low for me because today is not a good day to be doing physical activities. I'll try again in a few days when I'm not sore, feverish, and nauseous.Jude P.
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2011-09-13, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Then we consider some of the fun things we can do when you have a jump check that exceeds your move speed<Insert Relevant OOTS here> you are in Midair for the end of the round, then cast a spell that drops his modifier and an Ally would be able to have ten seconds of actions while he was in midair.
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2011-09-13, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Remember that the arms do not begin at the top of the head. Assume ~9' reach if we're calling the head and neck about a foot.
If I stand on my toes, my reach is between 7'9 and 7'10. If I stand with my heels on the ground, my reach is about 7'6. (It's a little bit hard to measure myself with a measuring tape. I got these numbers by standing against a wall, securing a measuring tape at the floor, and pushing the other end up as high as I could reach.)
I'm the height of an average adult American male; women tend to be 4-5" shorter. So the average vertical reach of an adult American is probably about 7'8, which is close to the (likely rounded off) 8' given in the PHB.Last edited by noparlpf; 2011-09-13 at 04:18 PM.
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2011-09-13, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Game systems I play: DnD 3.5, Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga, Vampire: The Masquerade, Dungeons: The Dragoning, AFBME, Atomic Highway, Dark Heresy, Legend of the 5 Rings 4E, MAID and... EQRPG... Does anyone actually play that?
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2011-09-13, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Game systems I play: DnD 3.5, Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga, Vampire: The Masquerade, Dungeons: The Dragoning, AFBME, Atomic Highway, Dark Heresy, Legend of the 5 Rings 4E, MAID and... EQRPG... Does anyone actually play that?
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2011-09-13, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-13, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Main source 1.
I don't know if you can read Serbian, but the tables are pretty clear.
And for Jordan, the number is bandied about a lot. Here's an analysis of a dunk he made way back when, but it does put some decent measurements together. Highly scientific? Nah. But here it is anyway.
Most 'records' seem to match up with this one.
Published athletic testing from NBA draft prospects can be found here and here.
Again, hardly hard numbers, but they're there.
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2011-09-13, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I do not in fact speak or read Serbian. I'm limited to English and un pedacito de español. I think a friend speaks Serbian; if not, Google Translate and I will be making friends tomorrow.
Edit: Thanks for the links.
Well, looks like with a little bit of work and a day when I don't feel sick I could probably get up there with some basketball players. One of those lists 60", though. That's crazy. 40" is my new goal.Last edited by noparlpf; 2011-09-13 at 05:41 PM.
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2011-09-13, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty sure that's this guy.
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2011-09-13, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-14, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm old enough to remember the stunt being performed on a TV show called That's Incredible. The guy cleared one car, and came back the next season (I think) to try to do two. He botched his takeoff and needed some surgery on the foot that whacked the windshield, among other things.
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2011-09-14, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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My father had a karate instructor who would jump sedans occasionally (...I have never understood the purpose of it...). He probably never seriously messed up since he's in professional golf now.
No, there's not much reason for me mentioning it, but I had a car jumping person story and it seemed appropriate to join in.Game systems I play: DnD 3.5, Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga, Vampire: The Masquerade, Dungeons: The Dragoning, AFBME, Atomic Highway, Dark Heresy, Legend of the 5 Rings 4E, MAID and... EQRPG... Does anyone actually play that?
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2011-09-14, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2011-09-14, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-14, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2011-09-14, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Really, that comment was out of bounds.
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2011-09-14, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Haha, jumping puns.
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2011-09-14, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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A soaring example that any amount of wit shown on these boards will cause an avalanche of puns. At least the next page will have large amounts of punny responses.
Game systems I play: DnD 3.5, Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga, Vampire: The Masquerade, Dungeons: The Dragoning, AFBME, Atomic Highway, Dark Heresy, Legend of the 5 Rings 4E, MAID and... EQRPG... Does anyone actually play that?