D&D Demotivators Episode V: The Demotivator Strikes Back

[nyarlathotep]

In DragonBall then yes, his Jackie Chun fight was at LEAST lvl 13 (probably closer to 16-17). But if we're only talking about DBZ I would use Goku vs Frieza as the first Epic fight meaning the battle vs Vegeta and Nappa was probably for a lvl 5 or 6 party when you look at the power gap. Master Roshi was too weak to fight in that fight. He was weaker than Yamcha at that point. YAMCHA! So he must be between lvl 1-3 on the DBZ power scale. Just depends what power scale you use.

I'd say it's more dependent on what class everyone was, if they were ardents (which is the closest to matching their abilities) then they never left the lower teens throughout all of DBZ. If they were swordsages and warlocks then you went a very small way into epic. If you assume they were just monks then I need to punch you.

[TheCountAlucard]

Do you have any basis for these numbers?

Jumping distances. Move speeds. Other carrying capacity stuff.

[Yora]

Probably based on this: http://www.thealexandrian.net/creati...librating.html

[Lapak]

Where do people pull all these high levels from?
Granted, they are ridiculously powerful, but somehow I think Roshi was level 13, or even mid-level... I think everyone was under level 10 in the original DragonBall.
Do you have any basis for these numbers?
I know that the main characters' and BBEGs' levels get arbitrarily high later on, but that Roshi part is bothering me...

The very first time they meet Roshi in Dragonball, he destroys a mountain. In the tournament, he destroys the moon from Earth. Goku - who is substantially weaker than Roshi at the very beginning - is bulletproof from the very first scene on.

They are wildly inconsistent about how powerful people in that series are (people hit each other as hard as possible without large-scale destruction ensuing, people who seemed blase about guns seem threatened by them elsewhere) but the over-the-top-ness is present right from the beginning.

[IrnBruAddict]

Where do people pull all these high levels from?
Granted, they are ridiculously powerful, but somehow I think Roshi was level 13, or even mid-level... I think everyone was under level 10 in the original DragonBall.
Do you have any basis for these numbers?
I know that the main characters' and BBEGs' levels get arbitrarily high later on, but that Roshi part is bothering me...

Sorry man if I offended you, was just meant to be a little joke about the difference in power between them (maybe I should have made a joke about him being a DM-NPC). Was a joke and just that.

About the levels, I tend to think of levels being dependant do the structre aroung them. Level 20 is simply to me the highest something in that universe should get unless they go ridiculous like DBZ. If I was making a joke about say Yuri Lowell from Tales of Vesperia or Captain Carrot from Discworld they would be high teens (Yuri is the second strongest human on the planet by the end of the game and Carrot could take out golems and trolls). Compare them to any D&D hero and they would barely be hitting 5, probably much lower (just a quick guess, no calculations). If I look at something like Naruto or One Piece then I would measure them against the strongest from that (Madara or Whitebeard being lvl 20). In their own world Naruto would be around 15 (a close threat to Madara but not quite direct competiton) and Luffy would be barely lvl 10 pre-timeskip (taking out some big shots with help from his friends and circumstances). In D&D Naruto would be better than any Ninja below epic and Luffy would be a higher Martial class, easily destroying battle ships with his bear hands (what lvl monk would he need to be to do that?). Trying to measure someone outside of their own universe is kind of silly but no offense to those who wanna try and do it realisticaly. For DBZ I picked Frieza vs Goku as the first Epic battle in my mind due to the first show of planetery destruction and scaled back from there. In Dragon Ball If Goku was low lvl when he met Bulma then I think Roshi (as Jackie Chun) would be round lvl 15 ish and the final battle of Piccolo vs Goku as a straight out lvl 20 vs lvl 20. But that is how I do it and nothing more. If you look at it from D&D standpoint only then Goku only learned Teleport when Mecha Frieza was killed. A spell that a lvl 9 wizard can learn (i think, no experience with 3.5) took till the Android saga to show up. You cant measure things by something elses power scale. Thats how internet wars start (eg. Goku vs Superman or The Empire of Star Wars vs The Imperium of 40k).

As I said again, it was a joke not meant to be taken seriously. Personally I love lower lvl guys from Dragon Ball like Krillen and the only Saiyan I like is Gohan and thats mostly due to personality. Roshi is kick ass! Didn't mean to diss the old guy, quite the opposite. Sorry, my bad.

[Beowulf DW]

And now a word from Bob Ross.

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[BlackestOfMages]

Tier 5, and fairly solid Tier 5.

I believe the caption comes from the fact Black Belt (monk) is beating the living crápé out of Garland ("BBEG" sorceror/warrior), rather than disputing the tier system...

[TheCountAlucard]

I believe the caption comes from the fact Black Belt (monk) is beating the living crápé out of Garland ("BBEG" sorceror/warrior), rather than disputing the tier system...

It's explicitly disputing the concept of the tier system. Otherwise it wouldn't be saying "Tier what now?", it'd be saying one of a million billion other things.

[The Tygre]

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And now, excerpts from the Ron Swanson Pyramid of Greatness:

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[Doorhandle]

Tier 5, and fairly solid Tier 5.

Again, was talking about the monk from Legend rather than 3.5. All the melee classes in that game gained a tier or so and all the casters went down 1. Mostly because the Max spell level is 7 and the d.cs to do things like restoring the dead using the heal skill or being able to climb on air and fly are only around d.c 30. Helps that stat bonuses are not few or far between ethier.

[Iamyourking]

Tygre, you should just advertise yourself as a master of rerailing discussions; considering the amount of times you've done so both for here and GOH.

[Yora]

If you can't demonstrate your point in the form of pictures, we are not interested.

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I just realized I should follow my own demands:

[ORione]

If you can't demonstrate your point in the form of pictures, we are not interested.

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I just realized I should follow my own demands:

I can't see it. Is the problem on my end or yours?

[Tavar]

I think it's on Yora's end. I can't see it either.

[NikitaDarkstar]

I think it's on Yora's end. I can't see it either.

Same, Yora fix it! :D

[Douglas]

Looks like it's going through some kind of proxy service that doesn't work with the img tag. I'm not sure whether it's the proxy itself or the way it mangles the url that's the problem. In any case, here's the real direct link:

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[The Tygre]

Looks like it's going through some kind of proxy service that doesn't work with the img tag. I'm not sure whether it's the proxy itself or the way it mangles the url that's the problem. In any case, here's the real direct link:

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... And so the circle is complete.

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[Doorhandle]

Damnit, now I feel bad for making this one.

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Anyway, I think it's time I got around to posting all the pathfinder flavors of wizard around.

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[SilverLeaf167]

Sorry man if I offended you, was just meant to be a little joke about the difference in power between them (maybe I should have made a joke about him being a DM-NPC). Was a joke and just that.

About the levels, I tend to think of levels being dependant do the structre aroung them. Level 20 is simply to me the highest something in that universe should get unless they go ridiculous like DBZ. If I was making a joke about say Yuri Lowell from Tales of Vesperia or Captain Carrot from Discworld they would be high teens (Yuri is the second strongest human on the planet by the end of the game and Carrot could take out golems and trolls). Compare them to any D&D hero and they would barely be hitting 5, probably much lower (just a quick guess, no calculations). If I look at something like Naruto or One Piece then I would measure them against the strongest from that (Madara or Whitebeard being lvl 20). In their own world Naruto would be around 15 (a close threat to Madara but not quite direct competiton) and Luffy would be barely lvl 10 pre-timeskip (taking out some big shots with help from his friends and circumstances). In D&D Naruto would be better than any Ninja below epic and Luffy would be a higher Martial class, easily destroying battle ships with his bear hands (what lvl monk would he need to be to do that?). Trying to measure someone outside of their own universe is kind of silly but no offense to those who wanna try and do it realisticaly. For DBZ I picked Frieza vs Goku as the first Epic battle in my mind due to the first show of planetery destruction and scaled back from there. In Dragon Ball If Goku was low lvl when he met Bulma then I think Roshi (as Jackie Chun) would be round lvl 15 ish and the final battle of Piccolo vs Goku as a straight out lvl 20 vs lvl 20. But that is how I do it and nothing more. If you look at it from D&D standpoint only then Goku only learned Teleport when Mecha Frieza was killed. A spell that a lvl 9 wizard can learn (i think, no experience with 3.5) took till the Android saga to show up. You cant measure things by something elses power scale. Thats how internet wars start (eg. Goku vs Superman or The Empire of Star Wars vs The Imperium of 40k).

As I said again, it was a joke not meant to be taken seriously. Personally I love lower lvl guys from Dragon Ball like Krillen and the only Saiyan I like is Gohan and thats mostly due to personality. Roshi is kick ass! Didn't mean to diss the old guy, quite the opposite. Sorry, my bad.

Oh, no offense was taken
It's just so common to see people throwing around arbitrarily high levels for characters of all kinds... Like the classic Gandalf example...

But the bolded part in that quote, I REALLY enjoy the idea of Luffy with bear hands... watch out, world...

[Doorhandle]

Please, like Luffy needs the help.

...At the risk of inciting natter, would a streched claw still be sharp?

[Morph Bark]

Please, like Luffy needs the help.

...At the risk of inciting natter, would a streched claw still be sharp?

To slash? Doubtfully. To pierce? Most likely. Normally I'd say it would need some real force behind it to do that in such a case, but Luffy has more than enough of that.

[Necroticplague]

Please, like Luffy needs the help.

...At the risk of inciting natter, would a streched claw still be sharp?

How sharp a blade is is determined by the angle of its cutting edge, so stretching out a claw would give you a more narrow point, thus actually giving you a sharper claw.

[AngelSword]

…with his bear hands…

Oh, no offense was taken
It's just so common to see people throwing around arbitrarily high levels for characters of all kinds... Like the classic Gandalf example...

But the bolded part in that quote, I REALLY enjoy the idea of Luffy with bear hands... watch out, world...

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[Hiro Protagonest]

Sorry man if I offended you, was just meant to be a little joke about the difference in power between them (maybe I should have made a joke about him being a DM-NPC). Was a joke and just that.

About the levels, I tend to think of levels being dependant do the structre aroung them. Level 20 is simply to me the highest something in that universe should get unless they go ridiculous like DBZ. If I was making a joke about say Yuri Lowell from Tales of Vesperia or Captain Carrot from Discworld they would be high teens (Yuri is the second strongest human on the planet by the end of the game and Carrot could take out golems and trolls). Compare them to any D&D hero and they would barely be hitting 5, probably much lower (just a quick guess, no calculations). If I look at something like Naruto or One Piece then I would measure them against the strongest from that (Madara or Whitebeard being lvl 20). In their own world Naruto would be around 15 (a close threat to Madara but not quite direct competiton) and Luffy would be barely lvl 10 pre-timeskip (taking out some big shots with help from his friends and circumstances). In D&D Naruto would be better than any Ninja below epic and Luffy would be a higher Martial class, easily destroying battle ships with his bear hands (what lvl monk would he need to be to do that?). Trying to measure someone outside of their own universe is kind of silly but no offense to those who wanna try and do it realisticaly. For DBZ I picked Frieza vs Goku as the first Epic battle in my mind due to the first show of planetery destruction and scaled back from there. In Dragon Ball If Goku was low lvl when he met Bulma then I think Roshi (as Jackie Chun) would be round lvl 15 ish and the final battle of Piccolo vs Goku as a straight out lvl 20 vs lvl 20. But that is how I do it and nothing more. If you look at it from D&D standpoint only then Goku only learned Teleport when Mecha Frieza was killed. A spell that a lvl 9 wizard can learn (i think, no experience with 3.5) took till the Android saga to show up. You cant measure things by something elses power scale. Thats how internet wars start (eg. Goku vs Superman or The Empire of Star Wars vs The Imperium of 40k).

As I said again, it was a joke not meant to be taken seriously. Personally I love lower lvl guys from Dragon Ball like Krillen and the only Saiyan I like is Gohan and thats mostly due to personality. Roshi is kick ass! Didn't mean to diss the old guy, quite the opposite. Sorry, my bad.

Luffy's no monk. He's a warblade with Abberant Blood, Inhuman Reach (DM allowed him to spend another feat to take away the penalty to attack rolls), and Extended Reach. Or a template.

And there is no way he was 10th level in Alabasta.

[Ksheep]

Just for the sake of getting back on track…

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No, neither of these are mine, mostly because I don't have time to throw anything together. Still got to properly pay some tax here at some point…

[IrnBruAddict]

I REALLY enjoy the idea of Luffy with bear hands... watch out, world...

Ehh ... i totally meant that! Really see

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Forgive the bad editing that took all of 2 minutes

Thing is, with Vegapunk making swords and guns sentient with Devil Fruits and there being no Bear Bear fruit this is actually possible.

Love the Pathfinder Wizards!

[hewhosaysfish]

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The caption makes me certain that there must be something hidden in the picture but for the life of me I can't find it.

Unless of course making me look for something that isn't there is the punchline...

[Yora]

It's watching you.

Though not really an illusion.

[Xuc Xac]

The caption makes me certain that there must be something hidden in the picture but for the life of me I can't find it.

Take a few steps back from your screen.

[PersonMan]

Take a few steps back from your screen.

The bridge is an eye-looking thing. That's all I see that's different from up close.