Convoy V: Autobots, ROLL OUT!

[bladescape]

DAMN IT!



And I had it all worked out as well.

[Helgraf]

I do not like midseason replacements. They have a bad habit of gumming up the works. Also, statistically speaking, nobody replaces a nobody with a nobody. Therefore, newcomers are somebody. And I want somebody's energon reserves recommited to the Alpha project.

Qwaz

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

^ makes sense to me. Sort of. Qwaz.

[GnomeGninjas]

Billtodamax

[Zjoot]

Hmm, not sure if I like how quickly NinjaXeq jumped on that wagon, especially since the reasoning isn't all that great. May change my vote later if something better comes up.

[52.5 Lemons]

Helgraf's reasoning doesn't really make much sense.

[Penguinator]

Helgraf's reasoning makes sense based on Lex-Kat's last game.

And I don't trust Internet Flea at all.

[Internet Flea]

And I don't trust Internet Flea at all.

The feeling's mutual.

But I don't trust 52.5 Lemons either.

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

I'll go with Qwaz, I guess. Sorry. I'll be paying more attention.

[cd4]

I think I will vote for NinjaXeq and see what happens.

[Atreyu the Masked LLama]

got my computer fixed for now. Ready to hop into the game.

Helgraf's logic makes sense, but even if Qwaz is a power role, how do we know he's a bad one? What if we lynch our seer or baner equivalent in this game?

It makes me concerned that Helgraf is a decepticon trying to...well...deceive us.

[Qwaz]

I do not like midseason replacements. They have a bad habit of gumming up the works. Also, statistically speaking, nobody replaces a nobody with a nobody. Therefore, newcomers are somebody. And I want somebody's energon reserves recommited to the Alpha project.

Qwaz

[emphasis mine]

You're wrong, Helgraf.

We all know villagers auto more than any other role. This by no means means I am one but it's one of the commonest reasons given by people who disagree with AL replacements on principle for that dislike.

I have no problem if you want to lynch me (serve me right for missing initial sign ups) to have a look but bear Helgraf totally one-sided and intentionally obtuse assessment of the situation in mind when you're having a think on who to lynch tomorrow.

NinjaXeq & Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins are the others who (so far) seem quite content to just go along with this clearly flawed logic without any other justification. Could be a lack of attention "first name you see" kinda deal but if Helgrafs a decepticon they could be trying to quietly sure up the wagon without saying anything major

[The Bushranger]

Helgraf seems like somebody who is keeping me from assassinating Megaton - er, I mean very suspicious to me.

[Gray Mage]

Qwaz, for me.

[TBFProgrammer]

Ok, since it appears we finally have people talking and therefore have reasonable targets (instead of straws to grasp at), that "sort of" sounds off to me: NinjaXeq mind explaining your take on Helgraf's reasoning?

[GnomeGninjas]

Helgraf Why would someone be inactive and get auto lynched if they had a good role.

[Penguinator]

Helgraf Why would someone be inactive and get auto lynched if they had a good role.

*shrug* A devil just got auto'd in Mafia. It happens. And I'm pretty sure Helgraf replaced an auto'd good powerrole in Lex-Kat's last game. Qwaz replaced an auto'd wolf in Lex-Kat's last game.

Perhaps it's sketchy logic for most games, but as far as Lex-Kat's games go, it's not too far off.

[GnomeGninjas]

*shrug* A devil just got auto'd in Mafia. It happens. And I'm pretty sure Helgraf replaced an auto'd good powerrole in Lex-Kat's last game. Qwaz replaced an auto'd wolf in Lex-Kat's last game.

Perhaps it's sketchy logic for most games, but as far as Lex-Kat's games go, it's not too far off.

I didn't know that before. But lets not lynch him. Then you, Helgraf and the rest of the wolves can murder him because you think he has a power role. Once he is killed by the wolves we will all know that you were wrong and he is just a villager.

[Zjoot]

*shrug* A devil just got auto'd in Mafia. It happens. And I'm pretty sure Helgraf replaced an auto'd good powerrole in Lex-Kat's last game. Qwaz replaced an auto'd wolf in Lex-Kat's last game.

Perhaps it's sketchy logic for most games, but as far as Lex-Kat's games go, it's not too far off.

Perhaps somone could clarify this for me, because I feel like I'm missing something. Is the argument here that, because two power roles/wolves were auto'd and replaced in one of Lex's games, that anyone who is replaced in a game run by Lex is a power role/wolf? That doesn't really make any sense, unless you're saying that Lex-Kat only provides replacements for power roles and wolves, which still doesn't make much sense. Or is this more of a superstition thing like "I guess it's traditional for power roles and wolves to be auto'd in Lex's games."? Because that would mean lynching Murska because of the Murska Constant is a completely viable thing to do (which it really isn't), since it uses the same logic. So I guess I'm just confused as to why the Qwaz wagon has such a strong following...

And while we're clearing up some points of confusion, I've been curious about something for a while. Irbis (the one replaced by Qwz) hasn't posted in this thread once, not even during sign-ups. How did he or she come to be on the list?

On a different note, something about the above statement doesn't sit quite right with me, and it's not just because Mr. Gninja made me lose the game.

[Lex-Kat]

I was informed that Irbis wished to play. Sadly, I was either misinformed, or Irbis forgot.

[Penguinator]

On a different note, something about the above statement doesn't sit quite right with me, and it's not just because Mr. Gninja made me lose the game.

You're not the only one. I don't understand you new players that seem to think I'm on teams with people. I'm not in contact with anybody.

And I don't know what your problem is. I never said that Qwaz was a power role. I'm not even voting for him. You're taking things waaay out of context. I'm just trying to explain Helgraf's "logic" since people don't understand it.

[Rogue Nine]

Helgraf, I don't like your reasoning.

[Zjoot]

You're not the only one. I don't understand you new players that seem to think I'm on teams with people. I'm not in contact with anybody.

And I don't know what your problem is. I never said that Qwaz was a power role. I'm not even voting for him. You're taking things waaay out of context. I'm just trying to explain Helgraf's "logic" since people don't understand it.

Oh, that wasn't neccessarily addressed to you specifically, and it certainly wasn't meant as an attack. Yours was just the last post to talk about Helgraf's logic, and that's the subject I wanted to talk about, so to the quote button went the cursor and click went the mouse.

[GnomeGninjas]

You're not the only one. I don't understand you new players that seem to think I'm on teams with people. I'm not in contact with anybody.

And I don't know what your problem is. I never said that Qwaz was a power role. I'm not even voting for him. You're taking things waaay out of context. I'm just trying to explain Helgraf's "logic" since people don't understand it.

Someone earlier had made some explanations that seemed to make sense of why you and some other people were wolves. Then you all deciding to lynch a new person with no evidence seemed fishy. I pointed that out and you told me that people with power roles get auto lynched often so lynching the replacement would be a good idea. I didn't relize that you were just explaining Helgrafs logic and not trying to convince me to help lynch Quaz so I said you could kill Quaz in the night. How I phrased it made more sense in my head then it must have to everybody else.

[Deathslayer7]

Helgraf, I don't like your reasoning.

This. Helgraf.

[Helgraf]

[emphasis mine]

You're wrong, Helgraf.

We all know villagers auto more than any other role. This by no means means I am one but it's one of the commonest reasons given by people who disagree with AL replacements on principle for that dislike.

I have no problem if you want to lynch me (serve me right for missing initial sign ups) to have a look but bear Helgraf totally one-sided and intentionally obtuse assessment of the situation in mind when you're having a think on who to lynch tomorrow.

NinjaXeq & Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins are the others who (so far) seem quite content to just go along with this clearly flawed logic without any other justification. Could be a lack of attention "first name you see" kinda deal but if Helgrafs a decepticon they could be trying to quietly sure up the wagon without saying anything major

Yeah, you're correct. I should have repeated my assessment from last night. Under Lex-kat, autolynch replacements seem to occur with powerroles. I stand by my assessment.

Helgraf, I don't like your reasoning.

You don't have to like my reasoning for it to be correct.

got my computer fixed for now. Ready to hop into the game.

Helgraf's logic makes sense, but even if Qwaz is a power role, how do we know he's a bad one? What if we lynch our seer or baner equivalent in this game?

It makes me concerned that Helgrafis a decepticon trying to...well...deceive us.

After the debacle of MLP, ending in a nearly flawless villain victory, you know, that's a heck of a lot like the pot calling the kettle black, good sir LLama.

[banjo1985]

Helgraf's as good as gone at this point, and with Irbis never actually signing up Qwaz may have a power role of some kind I guess. No guarantee it's a wolf role though, so I don't fancy voting for either of them.

Bushranger continues to claim Starscream however, and it's the only claim we have!

[Atreyu the Masked LLama]

After the debacle of MLP, ending in a nearly flawless villain victory, you know, that's a heck of a lot like the pot calling the kettle black, good sir LLama.

Pot = Pony
Kettle = Decepticon!

I'm not arguing that your logic has merit. However, I'm arguing the wisdom of going "That person is probably a power role, we should lynch him." The Autobots have power roles, too!

I figure that if an Autobot or villager suspected that someone had a power role, but only taht they had a power role. They'd probably be suspicious, but wouldn't want to outright kill that person because the power role could be on their team. However, the Decepticons all the members of their team, so they are all for lynching someone simply because "they might have a power role" because the Ceppy's know that the power role can't help them.

[Helgraf]

Anyway, barring some sort of swing vote, my neck is stretched.

Just you remember all this when I turn out to be just a human shortly.

[Lex-Kat]

Can the Voider target a fellow wolf?

Yes they can.