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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    As is said pretty much every time that comes up, the "close to your god's alignment" thing is a world rule, not a general D&D rule; it doesn't apply in Eberron, for example, so why shouldn't it be an invalid rule in the Stickverse too?
    The one-step rule for clerics is a part of the core rules, included in the Player's Handbook and the SRD. It is possible that the Stickverse ignores that rule just like Eberron, but so far we haven't had any proof of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    As is said pretty much every time that comes up, the "close to your god's alignment" thing is a world rule, not a general D&D rule; it doesn't apply in Eberron, for example, so why shouldn't it be an invalid rule in the Stickverse too?
    No, it is a general D&D rule:

    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm]SRD:Classes:Cleric[/url]
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    A cleric’s alignment must be within one step of his deity’s (that is, it may be one step away on either the lawful-chaotic axis or the good-evil axis, but not both). A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity’s alignment is also neutral.
    It is an Eberron setting specific rule that that does not have to be the case. Which is why it is something that has to be specifically called out in the Eberron Campaign Setting rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procyonpi View Post
    I recall seeing somewhere that Rich said his for was lawful good, but I'm not sure on that and would have no idea where to begin looking.
    How ironic. I was also going to add in my list:

    3) Rich has said that Thor is Lawful Good, hasn't he?

    But I deleted it because I didn't want to reopen that can of worms.

    As far as I know, Rich has never addressed the exact alignment status of Thor on this board. Not once. Never ever ever. No, not even then.

    What I suspect happened was a giant (no pun intended) game of telephone where people mangled "whether the alignment printed in the D&D book for Thor was 100% appropriate" into "Thor is Lawful Good". Or it might have been that someone once said that "Oh, I bet that Thor is Lawful Good" and a few months down the road a poster misremembered who said it and then claimed it might have been Rich who said it and that was then mangled into Rich definitely said it.

    I do know is that posters have authoritatively claimed in the past that Rich has said it, but when asked to provide proof, they couldn't. Some of them would point back to the post I linked to as half-remembered proof. But, again, all that says is that Thor isn't exactly the same as the one in the Deities and Demigods sourcebook. Others would just shrug their shoulders and say, "Well I saw other posters say it." Which is certainly true. But not very helpful.

    Now it is certainly possible that Rich has indeed addressed the alignment status of Thor, and I've never seen it. But I did a pretty exhaustive Google Search and Wayback Machine search and couldn't find anything. And, besides, without wanting to turn this into a debate on the subject (this isn't the thread for the subject and we've had plenty of them anyways) does Thor really look like a candidate for Lawfulness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    The one-step rule for clerics is a part of the core rules, included in the Player's Handbook and the SRD. It is possible that the Stickverse ignores that rule just like Eberron, but so far we haven't had any proof of that.
    It's a little more complicated than that... The Player's Handbook assumes that every cleric worships one god.

    But the Southern Gods in OOTS, as we've seen, are worshipped collectively as a pantheon. Miko (and others) call on "the Twelve Gods", even though (we strongly suspect) some of those gods are actively evil.

    So that's at least one respect in which religion in OOTS seems to differ from Core.

    But this isn't really the thread to discuss this, anyway. The Giant hasn't addressed the subject (as far as anyone can find), so it's moot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos View Post
    How ironic. I was also going to add in my list:

    3) Rich has said that Thor is Lawful Good, hasn't he?

    But I deleted it because I didn't want to reopen that can of worms.

    As far as I know, Rich has never addressed the exact alignment status of Thor on this board. Not once. Never ever ever. No, not even then.
    I'm pretty sure I've seen the post, but I don't really feel like digging through Rich's post archive looking for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procyonpi View Post
    I'm pretty sure I've seen the post, but I don't really feel like digging through Rich's post archive looking for it.
    I'm 98% sure it isn't there. I spent far too much time a couple of years back when this issue came up once before.

    Actually looking for talk about Thor being Lawful is what led me, in a round about way, to the Wayback Machine link I have above.

    Now if anyone can find a post where Rich said that Thor was Lawful, I will A) Be grateful that the issue has been laid to rest once and for all. And B) Most certainly (and gladly) eat my humble pie on the issue.
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    Ok, I added the link to the Wayback Machine Thor comment to the story development section. Thanks for the suggestion.
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    The Wayback Machine doesn't work properly for me for some reason.

    How about this post by The Giant, on the role of fathers in the OOTS storyline?

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=36
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    The Wayback Machine doesn't work properly for me for some reason.
    As I said, the Wayback Machine can be screwy. The above link eventually will load up a page if you wait about a minute or so.

    This link might work better. The page that gets loaded up isn't as pretty looking as the first link I gave, though.

    How about this post by The Giant, on the role of fathers in the OOTS storyline?

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=36
    There's also a good post from Rich about Miko's personality a couple posts later on in that same thread.
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    I came here to suggest the very same.

    I now feel kind of awkward without anything to contribute.
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    Important giant comment on page two of the 816 thread: The daughter of Orrin is not Haley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tass View Post
    Important giant comment on page two of the 816 thread: The daughter of Orrin is not Haley.
    Yes that's one of the most clear, straightforward statements I've ever seen. Definitely should be noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tass View Post
    Important giant comment on page two of the 816 thread: The daughter of Orrin is not Haley.
    And the link to said comment, for convenience.

    Also, I should mention, since it's my first time posting in this thread - this is a fantastic resource. Congratulations on putting this together, Phantasm.
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    The following quotes added to the index:

    Current Politics: There are no references to current politics in the strip beyond those which readers invent themselves.

    Parental Problems: Background info on the parents of various characters like Elan and Haley, including character / plot development history.

    Miko and Shojo: Shojo was the "tape" that held Miko's character together for so long. He was responsible for much in Miko that was good / positive.

    Orrin Draketooth's Daughter: She's not Haley.

    Characters and Merchandise: The presence, absence, position, or style of any character on any piece of merchandise has no bearing on any future (or past) plot points.
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    This one may be noteworthy as well (Elan/Nale/Tarquin/Mother upbringing and being evil/good.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePhantasm View Post
    Tarquin's Name: Named after a Roman Emperor, not the Grand Moff.
    That's incorrect. As Rich says in the post, Tarquin was a king of Rome, not an emperor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tass View Post
    This one may be noteworthy as well (Elan/Nale/Tarquin/Mother upbringing and being evil/good.)
    Added to the alignment section. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    That's incorrect. As Rich says in the post, Tarquin was a king of Rome, not an emperor.
    You are right. Correction made accordingly.
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    New update including the Giant's two comments in the minor plot holes, contradictions... thread.
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    New Update:

    Black and White Books: They are unlikely to ever be colorized, and were not originally in color. Rich drew them in black and white.
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    I was surprised not to see this linked here when checking for it to reference for a recent discussion in the Geekery thread, but since I found it by other means, I figured I should post it here for addition to the first post:

    For the "D&D Rules and Explanations" section: None-core Spells and Mass Death Ward - The Giant normally treats core spells as common knowledge and everything else as obscure (requiring research) or non-existant, because he cannot assume that his readers are familiar every spell in the game, but can assume most are familiar with the PHB. Also, he was unaware that Mass Death Ward was an actual spell, and his own version in the comic is 7th-level, not 8th-level as the actual spell is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zevox View Post
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    Added and updated!

    By the way, everyone, starting sometime in the next few days I will be absent from the forum for about a month. There is a small chance I'll be able to check back and update the thread during that time, but most likely I will be unable to. It isn't a big deal and I am coming back, I just don't want anyone to panic and think I've abandoned the thread. Keep making suggestions as usual and I will update it when I get back.

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    Slight correction: you listed that as "Tsukiko's Mass Death Ward," but it was Durkon's spell, not Tsukiko's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zevox View Post
    Slight correction: you listed that as "Tsukiko's Mass Death Ward," but it was Durkon's spell, not Tsukiko's.

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    *facepalm* Yup, you are right. Fixed now.
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    Thanks for this great resource, Phantom. This should help to repress excessive wild mass guessing in the future.
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    The underwater goblins in #823 are koalinths

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    The Giant on: Being an Internet Celebrity.
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    Several things in this post. There's a bit of clarification on how Cloister works, and (more importantly, to my mind) a note about narrative purpose. Don't say there's no possible narrative purpose for something.
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    Wasn't there a post from a few months ago where Rich said people predicting what's going to happen doesn't really bother him anymore?

    I don't expect/want any of these in the OP, but I'm just gonna leave them here 'cause why not:

    Edited Panel: Just the bowdlerized version of the panel from Dragon #358.
    More Prequels: The chances of additional prequels are very high. Also, the number of prequels planned is pretty much fixed, they just can't be published until certain facts have been revealed in-comic. The Giant is not going to invent prequels for minor characters just to pad out the story.
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