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    Default GitP PrC Contest XXX: Voting Thread

    Due to ErrantX not having been able to put up a voting thread due to personal responsibilities, I've taken up the duty of putting it up now. Sorry it took so long too, was without internet for a while myself and couldn't find earlier vote threads, nor the chat thread! But since I have now, here is the voting thread!

    Vote once, bold your vote for ease of viewing for me, and if you can, please say why you voted for it. (This is some really critical feedback; say why you liked it! It helps the homebrewers.) Sadly, three of the entries were incomplete and thus are illegible for voting.

    Voting begins Sunday October 30th, and will close 9:00 PM GMT Sunday November 6th (1:00 PM PST, 4:00 PM EST).

    {table=head]Author|Prestige Class|Votes!
    Xzoltar|Dawn Breaker|0
    unosarta|Rainbow Thaumaturgist|0
    Phosphate|Energist|0
    Morph Bark|Raysailor of Sol Invictus|6
    Glimbur|Illuminati|0
    Hyooz|Ikaruga|6
    Djinn_in_Tonic|Twilight's Guide|6[/table]


    There was, as you can see, a magnificent, most glorious, THREE-WAY TIE! As such, the winner goes to Errant's pick: the Raysailor of Sol Invictus!

    Boy this feels awkward to announce this myself.

    Magnificent contest, you guys! Mad props!
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    Default Re: GitP PrC Contest XXX: Voting Thread

    Raysailor of Sol Invictus

    It's unique, flavorful, and has wondeful abilities that can be either used constructively or destructively. Well done.
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    Yet again I didn't participate in this one but I follow it and I want to vote.

    My vote go to the Raysailor of Sol Invictus because I really like the fluff and the ability grant a lot of versatility.
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    Default Re: GitP PrC Contest XXX: Voting Thread

    Full-time lurker of GiTP finally comes out of hiding to decide to vote in this contest for the first time :). My vote definitely has to go to the Ikaruga, I really like the concept and the fluff really intrigues me to try it out in one of my games. The abilities seem fairly well balanced, but I do question the full BAB and not medium, that does strike me as being too strong. But otherwise great work Hyooz!

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    I vote Ikaruga. Interesting direction, varied abilities, and plain cool.

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    Beeing different and with a Neutral theme, my vote goes to Djinn in Tonic with Twilight's Guide.

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    Votes tallied.
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    I really feel like a tiebreaker (or a tiemaker) at this point.
    It makes it even worse that I know morpheus IRL.
    but I've managed to make up my mind about what class to vote for.

    First of all, I'd like to complement (is that an enligsh word? i want to say something like 'youre awesome) you all on your prestige classes. They're all very original and provide even more versatility (is that spelled correctly?) in D&D 3.5 than there already is. That being said, lets move on.

    First of all, the Raysailor of Sol Invuctus.
    I really like the idea of using light in many colors and forms to boost your allies. The Use Light ability is very nice; there's a lot of different purposes it can serve and you have to be aware of your blackness all the time.
    There's one thing though I don't really like; the first two levels seem a little meh: 1 level of spellcasting and a number of features that dont really add much to your character at that level, where at level 3 you gain 1 level spellcasting and the Use Light ability.
    But still, its awesome.

    Then Twilight's Guide.
    I don't know why, but I dont like this class. The features are great, thats certainly not the point. But reading the requirements makes me think: hm... this seems like a lot of work. I have to be old, take 3 feats and have to put 14 ranks in a skill i dont want to spend 14 ranks on.

    And last, the Ikaruga.
    Great, just great. The idea of switching between dark and light, certainly at higher levels gives you two different types of characters, even though there's still both roguelike.
    One downside: there's nothing you can always rely on, nothing that always applies. Your masterplan of infiltrating might be ruined due to a stupid torch suddenly... you get the picture i hope.

    With that al being said, I have concluded that my vote goes to the








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    Quote Originally Posted by KotserB View Post
    Then Twilight's Guide.
    I don't know why, but I dont like this class. The features are great, thats certainly not the point. But reading the requirements makes me think: hm... this seems like a lot of work. I have to be old, take 3 feats and have to put 14 ranks in a skill i dont want to spend 14 ranks on.
    This is what I get for making classes to appeal to my sensibilities of in-game awesome, rather than player practicality.

    As a future reference, KotserB (not that I expect this to ever change your opinion, but other may find it interesting), my philosophy on prestige classes is that they are incredibly specific and incredibly focused, requirements be damned. Almost all of my classes are designed to inspire characters, rather than to have an already existing character go "I'd take that." It's weird, but it's what I do.

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    Kk I understand youre point.
    But what I like about PrC's is that, for example the Fist of the Forest, you can pick either a Monk or a Barbarian, which are very different IMO before taking those three levels; picking a prestige class, doesnt determine the rest of your character.

    but as I said, I understand your point and there are also prestige classes like that in the books.
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    If voting is still open, I think I'll vote for Twilight Guide. I think it's a really neat class!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Lord View Post
    If voting is still open, I think I'll vote for Twilight Guide. I think it's a really neat class!
    When I noticed there was a tie between my Raysailor and the Ikaruga, I didn't want to end up being the tiebreaker myself, so I asked my friend KotserB and some others to come look at the PrCs and vote.

    As such, this voting thread is still open for an extra day, like happened before in the contest or the base class challenge.
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    As such, this voting thread is still open for an extra day, like happened before in the contest or the base class challenge.
    This seemed big and important.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morph Bark View Post
    When I noticed there was a tie between my Raysailor and the Ikaruga, I didn't want to end up being the tiebreaker myself, so I asked my friend KotserB and some others to come look at the PrCs and vote.
    Since you extended the deadline a day, I took the liberty of asking a few other prominent (or recently active) homebrewers (no, I didn't pick those who liked my work...I just sent PMs to a bunch of people whose work I've seen around ), because I couldn't help but feel that this contest was very under-voted, and I'd hate to have a contest run off of just 5-6 votes.

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    Okay, I'm guessing the Devourer of Light was one of the three that wasn't finished, but for Amechra's sake, I'm going to plainly state that if I could vote for it, I would. Presentation is very important, and the description of the class taking the first person is something I have never seen before. This is a brilliant piece of homebrew, Amechra, and I applaud you for making it.

    Sorry to say this Phosphate, but while the energist class itself is pretty good, I feel that the link between it and "light" is a little forced and not very strong. Light may be made of energy, but the two things are different in terms of D&D. The abilities themselves are really cool. (Free disintegrate, being able to petrify elementals, fast healing from the warmth and light of the area) but they just don't seem to fit the theme. I do hope you post the class up for real PEACH on its own soon enough.

    Morph, I like your class because by raw it can make pebbles weigh 1 pound. You also have a built in prismatic spray-like effect, which is very creative and must have taken a lot of time to come up with. So I'm going to vote for the Raysailor of Sol Invictus
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    Yeah, the contest is pretty under-voted this time around. Probably a symptom of the lull between entries closing and the voting thread popping up. I'm all for PMing for more voters.

    It is interesting to see the reactions to different PrC philosophies, though. Like Djinn said, his are almost always very specific, very flavor heavy, and it's all tightly woven into the mechanics. I really respect this approach, and it's lead to some, frankly, awesome creations. I usually take an almost opposite approach, creating PrCs that are fairly easy to get into and have relatively mutable flavor such that the mechanics are widely applicable. This has a downside of the flavor side of things being relatively unmemorable and sometimes samey, and that's reflected in some previous votes, but I'm ok with that, really. Just design philosophies.

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    I'm also going for the Twilight Guide. Flavor is thick and rich and the mechanics work out nicely. Seems a bit more like an NPC PrC than like one I or my players would take but I have a soft spot for those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyooz View Post
    Yeah, the contest is pretty under-voted this time around. Probably a symptom of the lull between entries closing and the voting thread popping up. I'm all for PMing for more voters.
    By all means feel free to do so!

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    Not going to lie, I'm only here because of Djinn! I've been meaning to get back into the PrC contest for a bit, but without much inspiration for my own ideas, I've let it slip by the wayside.

    That said, I may as well throw a vote down, if nothing else for these.

    Doing a once over on the contestants, I didn't see much that sparked me on the Dawn Breaker, but Incarnum is always something I have to relearn each time I peak at it. I like the theme going with RAINBOW THAUMATURGIST, even if it feels a tad tongue-in-cheek. The Energist intrigues me, but the alignment restrictions and some of the fluff feels a bit heavy handed. The Raysailor has some nice tricks and a lot of options to choose from, always a plus. If I didn't know Glimbur as well as I do, I'd almost say the Illuminati was a joke, but his work is always light on flavor: that said, giving rogues magical tricks fits. Hyooz and Djinn both have some tasty flavor in their PrCs and hit strongly on the head of the nail of the dual nature of light.

    It's a hard call here. A lot other abilities the contestants offer feel overly similar, but that happens from time to time and is probably due to this theme. I'm torn between unosarta's painful to type RAINBOW THAUMATURGIST ; Hyooz's weird, "aggressive" light/dark assassin-y Ikaruga and Djinn's very NPC-fitting, flavorful wise old man Twilight Guide.

    End of the day, though, the Ikaruga gets my vote.


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    Dawn Breaker: Suffers from formatting issues, is tied to incarnum which is hard to use IMO, & was generally just not that interesting compared to other options.

    Rainbow Thaumaturgist: Very fun, very flavorful, & absolutely skittle-tastic. A close second.

    Energist: A little too overpowered for my taste; I'd love to play one, but I'd be afraid of the DM getting "creative" to deal with my power.

    Raysailor of Sol Invictus: Again, a bit too overpowered, but more importantly, it was positively stuffed with abilities & options, too many IMO. A very cool & flavorful class, but it should probably be spread out over 12 or 14 levels, or suffer a pruning of powers.

    Illuminati: Very interesting, very fitting to the theme, & well balanced. The idea of a light-based rogue-like class is a fun dichotomy.

    Ikaruga: The duality of this class is wicked cool. Like the Illuminati, this makes use of light to aid a rogue-like class, but this one takes it to the next level. Its abilities are fun, flavorful, & well-written, & while its powers are many, it never felt like I had too much to work with. I loved the video game (despite the epic challenge), & I'm sure that I'll like this class.

    Twilight's Guide: Not bad, although the class is rather short for a contest like this. Also, each ability has a long block of complex rules, which are a bit wearying to read. If the power cannot be succinctly described, then perhaps it should be changed to a more concise option.

    Again, great crop of classes this time, so the decision was actually rather hard (sorry Illuminati), but my vote goes to the Ikaruga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn_in_Tonic View Post
    Since you extended the deadline a day, I took the liberty of asking a few other prominent (or recently active) homebrewers (no, I didn't pick those who liked my work...I just sent PMs to a bunch of people whose work I've seen around ), because I couldn't help but feel that this contest was very under-voted, and I'd hate to have a contest run off of just 5-6 votes.
    Exactly. Heck, if I would have closed the voting at the time I put down, I would have felt sour over the very few votes that still caused a "winning" tie.


    Also thanks for the bolding and inviting people to vote.


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    You also have a built in prismatic spray-like effect, which is very creative and must have taken a lot of time to come up with.
    Thanks! Yeah, that was a very hard part to think up and get right in the end indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta Kai View Post
    Raysailor of Sol Invictus: Again, a bit too overpowered, but more importantly, it was positively stuffed with abilities & options, too many IMO. A very cool & flavorful class, but it should probably be spread out over 12 or 14 levels, or suffer a pruning of powers.
    The thing I was mainly worried about was the potentially huge addition of spells to the list. I was actually afraid I might not have enough things because people so often complain about the loss of caster levels and spells.


    EDIT: Also, votes tallied. Had to recount a few times because I counted Thrice Dead Cat's vote for Rainbow Thaumaturgist due to the colouring.

    Furthermore, I will close the poll when I get up in the morning, just so y'all know. Need my sleep tonight. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morph Bark View Post
    The thing I was mainly worried about was the potentially huge addition of spells to the list. I was actually afraid I might not have enough things because people so often complain about the loss of caster levels and spells.
    I may throw you a full on PEACH for the class later, as I really was out of the loop this contest, but gaining access to random spells from obscure lists can be damned useful. I personally have the bad habit of treating Unseen Seer like a diviner for getting weird spells onto the wizard spell list.


    Quote Originally Posted by Morph Bark View Post
    EDIT: Also, votes tallied. Had to recount a few times because I counted Thrice Dead Cat's vote for Rainbow Thaumaturgist due to the colouring.
    Sorry about that, Morph Bark. I was a bit undecided while editing, and after making sure I got the formatting on that right, I felt like it should have been left in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrice Dead Cat View Post
    I was a bit undecided while editing, and after making sure I got the formatting on that right, I felt like it should have been left in.
    After all that work to get the colors correct, it would seem wrong to just revert to an uncolored version.

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    Twilight's Guide: Not bad, although the class is rather short for a contest like this. Also, each ability has a long block of complex rules, which are a bit wearying to read. If the power cannot be succinctly described, then perhaps it should be changed to a more concise option.
    Ironically, those are the succinct versions.

    What can I say? I like complexity when I feel it's appropriate.

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    I'm a notable homebrewer now?

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    Anyway, I'll give it a read tomorrow, if that's still in the time limit.
    I think that's just outside the time limit, actually.

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    I've got my money on (and my players will be meeting an NPC with) the Ray Sailor PRC. It's a great class and looks like a lot of fun.

    Good work to everyone.

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    My vote is Raysailor. Thematically it was the one that caught my attention the most. The rest from there was just well designed. It was the one I was most interested in playing, other than an Energist or the Ikaruga.
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    ...my allergies are really acting up, and it is making me grumpy... can y'all tell?


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    Sorry, this could be great at its core, but I am low on time, and don't feel like spending it on something with formatting for the wrong... format, grammar errors (you are probably a non-native speaker, so this is only marginally your fault), and for a system I am not familiar with (not your fault).

    RAINBOW THAUMATURGIST
    1 level dip might be some nice bonuses in exchange for putting 8 skill points into a skill that everyone can use some of.
    Lose a caster level to gain spontanious casting of one school at -1 spell level? Makes the trade-offs look mighty sweet for a wizard since this and a feat or two are all you lose to take it to 8th level. Going to need to keep an eye on things to see if there is a good reason why an Illusionist WOULDN'T take this PrC.
    Don the Rainbow is nice, if a bit short-lived. The Deflection bonus (a bit better than a 2nd level clerical spell IIRC) is probably the major draw here, since the effects are pretty minor... although that "pushed back 5 feet" can break a full-attack after the first hit in some cases.
    Eyes of Light: Nice bonuses... Not super-powerful, but probably worth at least one of the two feats you lose to take it to 8th level.
    Wield the Rainbow: Class is designed for Arcane entry, so melee attacks are of dubious value, especially by the time you get this.
    Master of Var....:This needs to be worded more clearly perhaps. Does it effect the previous class abilities? If so, being able to consistently deal 2 con damage per touch attack ALMOST worth doing if you Haste yourself.
    Taste the Rainbow:Lose another caster level, get lots of healing and a defense. Not bad, but generally not worth it.
    Corona: Fast Healing... extra spells are good for sorcerers (and wizards already got spontaneous casting).

    Tentative verdict: Eh... balance is in the right BALLPARK maybe, most abilities are... uninspiring actually since you are better off just casting stuff than using them.


    ENERGIST
    Entry requirements are "Throw me in that briar patch" for wizards.
    Gather Information seems a bit out of place at first glance, but we shall see.
    Understanding of Energy: Ouch... VERY dipable for a Transmuter who bans Evocation.
    Burst: Seems like a desperation move only until 10th (or maybe 9th) level. I think most wizards avoid enlargement, so it doesn't seem like the blinding will come up much, unless you quicken it (and it IS a Transmutation spell) specifically to be able to enhance your panic button.
    Radiant Renewal: Nice bonus... save the healer some spells, or even get some in-battle healing sometimes.
    Glimmering: Note that the fast healing can work in total darkness. If (and only if) they can see out of this, this is a very powerful ability since it gives a 50% miss chance to most foes. They probably can so... yeah, permanent Displacement versus anything without Darkvision or better. The lighting use is nearly useless by this level.
    Quantum Photon Scatter a few measely hitpoints to start his first turn next to the enemy for a full-attack? Any full BAB class will take this, a rogue might, and a Scout might if the skirmish rules work that way.
    Wavelength Equilibrium: Needs rules for using this outside of encounters... really really broken, since the first round of a combat it is basically spending a standard action from an ally to cast a transmutation spell without expending a spell-slot. After that... well you just opened up a LOT of options for that ally with no additional cost, and you can keep doing it every round.
    I am going to stop here... this thing is cheese, and I don't have time or energy to investigate further since I think I only have an hour and a half left to vote in.


    Raysailor of Sol Invictus
    Well, this already got some votes... that proves hopeful that it will be worth my consideration for my vote, rather than feeling like a work in progress by someone who needs to learn to create flavorful stuff that gets USED without feeding munchkins.
    Spontaneous casting and lots of knowledge skill requirements, plus craft and profession... ok, it actually costs something to get into this class. Good.
    Control Light: Fun and fluffy...
    Guiding Lantern: The first use is nice., the second is very tactical. I like.
    Lighten Up: I am going to assume you get the first use of this at 2nd level... hardly spectacular unless you are playing a kobold or something... oh, wait... you can spam this during down-time... that is actually halfway useful! The secondary 8 charge use of it is very nice for helping the barbarian haul the big solid gold idol out of the temple of eeeeeviiiil to be melted down for more noble (and profitable!) ends.
    The third use basically means that you can sub in mithril chain shirt for bracers of armor +4, and similar things. Shoot, when you hit 7th level you can start churning out suits of full-plate to sell to arcanists who don't mind ACP... ok, so this class just broke the economy... lots of classes do that. No big.
    Advanced Learning: Adding all spells creates a problem in that they are thematic, but you want to learn as FEW of them as possible the normal way, since you get the most spells in the long run that way... weird. Oh, wait, it is LIST, not KNOWN. That works.
    Take Light: Ok, so you probably build lots of torch-bracket into your ship, that you can relight after putting them out. When in a dungeon, you can just strike a bunch of sunrods if you don't want to bother with lighting 1 cp torches.
    Solar Sails needs to specify a climb-dive rate, and maybe say that forward speed and turning maneuverability are as if it was sailing on an ocean (is it still dependent on wind?).
    "he turn after you have used your Destructive Red Light, you may use its Reverse, blasting the same area as before," <-Same shape, or the same exact set of squares? Does this require you to remain in the same place you were as last round? If not then the answer to the first question becomes more important.
    "If you take at least 10 points of cold or fire damage from any source, you may make a Spellcraft check DC 15 + 3 * the effective spell level of the source as an immediate action." <-What is the effective spell level of putting on the barbarians helmet and having him throw a wine bottle of alchemists fire at the back of your head? Zero? PCs will DO stuff like this you know... they are just CRAZY like that (and that is exactly the way it should be!)
    ...my allergies are telling me to move on, and come back later if I need a tie-breaker.



    Illuminati: The allergies speak to me... the tell me "don't bother reading something that is 5 votes down from the lead... your vote couldn't mean anything at this late stage..." this sadden's me, but I can not deny the wisdom...

    (Posting this to avoid it being lost... will edit with further comments...)
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    Default Re: GitP PrC Contest XXX: Voting Thread

    It's ok. I don't usually get many votes, it's most likely due to my irreverent writing style. However, I am a co-winner of the First GitP Pairs Contest, so I have enough accolades for now. Was there anyone I intended to PEACH and didn't? Also, I should probably post stuff like this in the chat thread, but it's kind of voting related.

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    Votes tallied.

    Depending on how late Eldan gets up, he may be within the time limit. I'm known for sleeping in and he's in the same timezone as I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoDei View Post
    Raysailor of Sol Invictus PEACH (snip)
    Thanks for the PEACH. I'll take it to heart when I tweak it for posting it in its own thread. But yes, it's important to note that the spells added aren't spells KNOWN but the available LIST. Hence why it is handiest for Beguilers/Dread Necros/Warmages.
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