GitP PrC Contest XXX: Voting Thread

[Temotei]

This is a tough choice, but I'm voting for the Raysailor of Sol Invictus.

Also, thanks to Djinn, who tipped me off to this thread. I always miss the voting threads.

[Morph Bark]

Say, Djinn, who did you PM anyway? I linked the homebrewers I am DMing a PbP campaign for (Welkneir, Pyromancer, Realms of Chaos, Bhu and Owrtho), but a PM would likely serve the purpose of alerting them to voting better.

I do wonder how many people actually look at people's signatures though, considering I've had the link in my sig for a week and only five votes were cast in that time. o.O

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Say, Djinn, who did you PM anyway? I linked the homebrewers I am DMing a PbP campaign for (Welkneir, Pyromancer, Realms of Chaos, Bhu and Owrtho), but a PM would likely serve the purpose of alerting them to voting better.

DracoDei, Karoht, Kobold-Bard, The Tygre, Twilight Muse, Gnorman, Golden-Esque, GuyFawkes, Mulletmanalive, T.G. Oskar, Deth Muncher, Eldan, ideasmith, JoshuaZ, Person_Man, DracoDei, Kellus, Owrtho, Temotei, Zeta Kai, boomwolf, NeoSeraphi, Realms of Chaos, Thrice Dead Cat, Ziegander...


...and a few others just now.

[Mulletmanalive]

Ok... Brief feelings on those I'm not going to give my vote to but came really close...

I really liked this. You were beaten out by discriptive text, if you can believe that. The class is nice, clean and interesting from day one with two useful abilities at each level.

I wasn't a fan of the recharge mechanics, though, i would have preferred it to be a ritual, simply to bring it into line with other classed; in my games, hiding to gather a bit of sun power would work nicely as there are universal recharge mechanics, here, it suffers in that it feels pointless and then you don't get that "five minutes to catch my breath" feel that other encounter recharge classes have, which is awesome.

You know what actually lost me on this one? The spellcasting, and for completely different reasons to my usual "i don't like spellcasting" stance. No, in this case, it was that the class features are so freaking awesome and interesting that i adored them. Then i thought about the play experience and felt like it would get sidelined for my spellcasting a lot of the time.

I came clattering to a halt on that. I feel like it's an utter injustice, but if this had beem more limited in its casting [balance i know but feel here] or was using mysteries or invocations, it would have won. As it is, the light of the awesome class features seems to gutter in comparison to the power of D&D spellcasting...

Honestly, because it has one of my pet design peeves in the table, this couldn't get my vote. If you had included the features from the polarity in the table, perhaps with two extra columns to show the light and dark powers, it would have been in the running.

As the point of the table is to help me level up, not telling me things in the table is a bad thing. It's a fine and interesting class, none-the-less.

Damn it Djinn! You just have a talent for writing that wierd mid of dark and slightly hopeful that really sucks me in. I knew this was my favourite entry by the end of the first line and that feels so unfair.

I would have liked to see more scaling on the capstone, and possibly a brief dispelling option [driving a wedge between them as t'were], and it's power level is above my own gaming choices, mostly via telekinesis' spell form, but it's a caster prestige actually worth trading in those spell levels in for [at least to me], so it wins.

I cast for Twilight's Guide

[Owrtho]

Well, looked through the classes. I think this time I'll vote for the Twilight Guide. I rather like the fluff, and happen to like the concept of guide-like characters, as some homebrew of mine might imply. That said, my one main qualm with it is the wording of the Guarded by Death ability would seem to grant immunity to special attacks and supernatural abilities an undead gains from class levels or other sources completely unrelated to its undead nature, which seems outside the intent.

Owrtho

[Mulletmanalive]

I do wonder how many people actually look at people's signatures though, considering I've had the link in my sig for a week and only five votes were cast in that time. o.O

If there's a quote in it, i read that and move on. That's it. I think mine is too long but i need the contest link.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Damn it Djinn! You just have a talent for writing that weird mid of dark and slightly hopeful that really sucks me in. I knew this was my favourite entry by the end of the first line and that feels so unfair.

...Wow. This is among the best praise I've ever gotten for a piece of homebrew.

In other news...


Thanks to the many homebrewers who answered Morph Bark and my requests for more votes. It's great to see the community come out in force to support these contests when it's needed, and I hope to see many of you either voting in the future or (better yet) competing. <3 you all!

That being said, The voting ain't done yet. And it's rather neck-in-neck at the moment, so keep 'em coming.

[Owrtho]

It's great to see the community come out in force to support these contests when it's needed, and I hope to see many of you either voting in the future or (better yet) competing. <3 you all! [/b]

Speaking of competing...

Owrtho

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Speaking of competing...

Owrtho

Yep. But my design partner has no internet access for a few weeks at least, so I'm sort of stymied from participating without him.

[GuyFawkes]

Meant to vote in here sooner but it was hard to pick one to be the best. There are lots that are very well-made and solid both in fluff and mechanics. Oh well, I'll just have to fall to my bias and vote on the one I'll probably be using first, and that's the Ikaruga.

Edit: Also, it wouldn't be so bad as to send PMs for future invitations to join/vote for these events, as I sometimes fail to find these threads. Even if I can't join (mostly due to RL happenstance) I really love reading through the creations of those who do join, and being new to homebrewing, I really learn a lot.

Thanks.

[Tanuki Tales]

Pity that the one that caught my eye at first didn't make the cut for the voting thread and I'm honestly flattered that I was contacted for this.

My vote has got to be cast for the Twilight's Guide though.

[Morph Bark]

...we now have a three-way split in votes. xD (And I am not voting myself for obvious reasons.)

At this point I'm starting to think there is no single winner here.

Momentarily closed while I think of what to do. Feel free to pitch in your thoughts.

[Morph Bark]

So the choice is now between the following:

1. Extend voting for another day or two (never needed to happen more than once per voting thread).
2. Have more than one winner (never happened, voting was always extended in such cases).
3. Cut off votes past a certain point (unfair to the voters and those they voted for).

I actually tried to recount the votes several times because so many people didn't bold their votes, making it harder to count them. :/

[Zeta Kai]

I would, extend the vote for another day & PM others for their opinion, but that's just me.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I would, extend the vote for another day & PM others for their opinion, but that's just me.

Problem is that most of my PMs have already been sent, so most active homebrewers already got a message. That means that we're probably in the realm of personal friends, and I intentionally didn't PM any personal friends. And we can't ask Morph to do the traditional tie-breaker, for obvious reasons.

I vote we try to pull in ErrantX for a tiebreaker, or declare no real winner.

[GuyFawkes]

I vote we try to pull in ErrantX for a tiebreaker, or declare no real winner.

I vote we try to pull in ErrantX for a tiebreaker, or declare the three as winners.

[Hyooz]

I'm down for Errant breaking the tie.

But yeesh, a 3 way tie? That's awesome.

[Morph Bark]

Problem is that most of my PMs have already been sent, so most active homebrewers already got a message. That means that we're probably in the realm of personal friends, and I intentionally didn't PM any personal friends.

I actually didn't think about it that way, but the personal friends I poked who voted didn't vote for me.

I'm down for Errant breaking the tie.

But yeesh, a 3 way tie? That's awesome.

It truly is. Jolly good sport!

I'm all for ErrantX breaking the tie, if it is possible. The alternative would be something like the first one to break ten votes, or just declare this contest suffered from a case of Tri-Winning.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I'm all for ErrantX breaking the tie, if it is possible. The alternative would be something like the first one to break ten votes, or just declare this contest suffered from a case of Tri-Winning.

The former or the latter seem to be the popular options, with ErrantX breaking the tie seeming a bit more preferred.

Hell, I'm all for declaring a 3-way tie (since that's never happened before and since we all seem agreeable to both options), and just seeing ErrantX's opinion out of general interest.

It truly is. Jolly good sport!

Indubitably, my good sirs! I think we had, in general, a very fine show of strength in this contest.

[Tanuki Tales]

In the case of a three-way tie not being allowable and Errant can't be contacted in a timely manner to do a tiebreaker, what about doing a sudden death with the three classes; first one to get a vote from someone who hasn't already voted wins?

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

In the case of a three-way tie not being allowable and Errant can't be contacted in a timely manner to do a tiebreaker, what about doing a sudden death with the three classes; first one to get a vote from someone who hasn't already voted wins?

Personally, I don't really like this method. It just doesn't seem as fair as the other two.

[Eumetazoa]

Morph directed me over here 'cause I hear you need another vote.

Right now my brain is stuck in-between his, the Raysailor (admittedly, I like things that may be overpowered), and the Ikagura. Which is probably why there's a tie, because so many people can't resolve the tie in their own heads.

In the end, I know Morph Bark already, so I figure for the purposes of not looking like I signed up just to vote for his, I'll have to go with the Ikagura. And if that doesn't break this tie, I suggest we get the three classes together and have them battle it out. Last one standing wins.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

In the end, I know Morph Bark already, so I figure for the purposes of not looking like I signed up just to vote for his, I'll have to go with the Ikagura. And if that doesn't break this tie, I suggest we get the three classes together and have them battle it out. Last one standing wins.

And this is why I don't like the "one more vote from someone other than ErrantX" method. There's something keeping you from voting a particular way, which is why I'd much prefer ErrantX to handle this like he usually handles the other tiebreakers. We do have an approach for such a situation, and it seems silly not to use it.

[Tanuki Tales]

Personally, I don't really like this method. It just doesn't seem as fair as the other two.

That's why I posited it as Option C, I'd much rather the other two methods.

[NeoSeraphi]

A 3-way tie? That's...so epic! Way to go you guys! Some top quality homebrew from this contest.

[Morph Bark]

And this is why I don't like the "one more vote from someone other than ErrantX" method. There's something keeping you from voting a particular way, which is why I'd much prefer ErrantX to handle this like he usually handles the other tiebreakers. We do have an approach for such a situation, and it seems silly not to use it.

Exactemundo.

The only way Eumetazoa's vote would be counted would be if the deadline would be extended, allowing more votes to come in. Sorry buddy. The only way to win or lose is fair and square.

The suggestion of "let them battle it out" also doesn't work since they (or the classes used to enter them) aren't perfectly balanced against one another, making it an unfair fight.

A 3-way tie? That's...so epic! Way to go you guys! Some top quality homebrew from this contest.

I know right? The only thing that saddens me is that the Ikaruga and the Twilight's Guide aren't so compatible. That would have made it perfect.


EDIT: On that note, has anyone already PM'd ErrantX? I'd rather not PM him if someone else has already done so (yes, I'm looking at you Djinn).

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I know right? The only thing that saddens me is that the Ikaruga and the Twilight's Guide aren't so compatible. That would have made it perfect.

Yeah...ah well. Being able to put all three classes on a single character might have been a bit to much light-theme anyway.

EDIT: On that note, has anyone already PM'd ErrantX? I'd rather not PM him if someone else has already done so (yes, I'm looking at you Djinn).

I haven't PM'd him, actually. Go for it, boss.

[Morph Bark]

I suddenly have an urge to put on a uniform.

Either way, I PM'd ErrantX, asking if he has will and time to cast a tie-breaking vote. I say we weight two days or so for him to reply and if he hasn't by then, we call it a shared win.

EDIT: Also, I meant moreso in the sense of that the Raysailor and Twilight's Guide fit so perfectly together in sense of fluff and levels (enter Raysailor at 6th, Twilight's Guide at 16th) and the prereqs for the latter are easy enough to meet with the former, unlike with the Ikaruga.

Does make me think of a Raysailor/Twilight's Guide with an Ikaruga cohort/bodyguard though. "Wherever the Guiding Lantern goes, Death's final light follows."

[Eldan]

I could still cast a vote if you want...

Though it's damn, damn hard this time. Due to time constraints, it took me forever just to read them all in detail, and I like all three "finalists"...

[ErrantX]

I feel like the doddering grandfather asleep in the chair that no one wants to wake up to ask a question of

Alright, a tie we have and a tie we must break. So... my tie breaking vote goes to the Ray Sailor of Sol Invictus. Its a tough call, to be honest. While I thoroughly enjoyed all three of the top classes, I looked it at realistically: If I was to play one of these classes in a game with my friends, which one would I personally, as the player, would I have the most fun playing. I had to go with the Ray Sailor as it offers not only great abilities for the player himself, but also helps and benefits his fellow party members in a meaningful way.

I loved the fluff of Djinn's class and the whole feel of the class but I can't imagine actually playing it myself. It makes for an exceptional prestige class for an important NPC in the game. The Ikaruga, while mechanically has some neat stuff... I can't help but make comparisons to the Shadow Sun Ninja, and while the fluff is good, I personally can't see myself playing it when I go to sit at my gaming table, though I know several people who would jump at the chance. Much love to both classes, but the Ray Sailor takes Errant's Pick.

-X