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    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XXVI. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Friday, November 11th, 2011 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Amphetryon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Sunday, November 27th, 2011 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. (Judges are getting a couple of extra days due to the Thanksgiving Holiday in America).

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    SRD's Shadowdancer!
    We will have trophies for 1st through 3rd places, as well as a special trophy for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez optimiser!

    Contestants
    Zipding
    Akal_Saris
    Venger
    Dusk_Eclipse
    Hunter_Killer
    AMFV
    OMG_PONIES
    Elfstone
    The_Gilded_Duke
    Grey_McBannert
    BillyBobJoe
    Akto
    Kestrel404
    Mr.Smashy
    Diefje
    Lateral
    TheGeckoKing
    phatpack
    vhfforever
    Hand_of_Vecna
    Maethirion
    flabort
    Darthteej
    gbprime
    Piggy_Knowles

    Judges

    The Builds
    Lord McUmbra
    Sandamir
    Ensis Tenebra
    Pumpkinhead
    Osric
    Lucian
    Khariman Sandiga
    Theodore Kaczynski
    Vesper
    Artou Defoor
    Athek
    Karn
    The Raven
    The Dancing Shadow
    Claire, aka Mr. Dini
    Tiesa
    The Damned Drake
    Domovoi

    Past Competitions

    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
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    I have an idea for this PrC, I hope it works out, I'm in.
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    Good choice of PrC, it's one that I've been expecting for a while now!

    It will be interesting to see what people will do with more than 1 level in the secret ingredient. Hopefully there will be something more imaginative than a bunch of shadow pouncers.

    Sidenote: Back in 3.0, I think I remember that when a shadow died, it was dead permanently, not for 30 days

    Good luck with being the chair, Amp!
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    Yay! as promised, I'm going to compete. I had a question about the flavour/fluff/backstory stuff. what is the etiquette on using pre-existing material for this (e.g. if I wrote about the tragic past of bruce wayne for vigilante the last time around) I haven't seen this done and wanted to make sure whether or not it was allowed or not since I didn't want to break any rules my first time around.

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    I have an interesting idea so this time I might end up competing... but I have one question, how have RHD been handled in the IC competitions? are they allowed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    I have an interesting idea so this time I might end up competing... but I have one question, how have RHD been handled in the IC competitions? are they allowed?
    They are very much allowed, just don't expect to be able to get rid of them. Just look at last round's honorable mention.
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    A build that actually went through my head before being immediatly scrapped was the Shadow Dancing Phase Spider from Expedition to the Demonweb Pits. While that would be highly entertaining and probably really good on the original front, it would suck beyond belief.
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    Excellent. I love this class, and I'm really excited to see what we can do with it. The shadow pouncer, like Akal Saris was suggesting, was my first plan. Hopefully I can come up with something a little more creative than that...

    Given the above I suppose this goes without saying, but I mean to compete. And this time, I'm going to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipding View Post
    A build that actually went through my head before being immediatly scrapped was the Shadow Dancing Phase Spider from Expedition to the Demonweb Pits. While that would be highly entertaining and probably really good on the original front, it would suck beyond belief.
    well hey, there's more fronts to appeal to than just power. if your build's not the most powerful, you can pull your average up with elegance (and a shadowdancing phase spider screams elegance) since I can't think of a dancer who could out-elegance him/her.

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    Shadowdancer. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipding View Post
    A build that actually went through my head before being immediatly scrapped was the Shadow Dancing Phase Spider from Expedition to the Demonweb Pits. While that would be highly entertaining and probably really good on the original front, it would suck beyond belief.
    As a sidenote its normally considered poor form to discuss possible build elements before builds are released. As this can affect their originality scores and is generally not always the best idea.

    Also I think I'm going to compete if I can come up with something good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMFV View Post
    As a sidenote its normally considered poor form to discuss possible build elements before builds are released. As this can affect their originality scores and is generally not always the best idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    The man speaks truth.
    Albeit in a confusing and rambling way. I should not post from my phone.
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    I had a question about the Summon Shadow ability of the Shadowdancer. It says that your companion shadow gains 2 HD for every 3 levels you take of Shadowdancer. Does this count all of your shadowdancer levels, or just the levels after you gain the companion shadow?

    In other words, at Shadowdancer level 3, would you have a 3HD shadow or a 5HD shadow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gilded Duke View Post
    I had a question about the Summon Shadow ability of the Shadowdancer. It says that your companion shadow gains 2 HD for every 3 levels you take of Shadowdancer. Does this count all of your shadowdancer levels, or just the levels after you gain the companion shadow?

    In other words, at Shadowdancer level 3, would you have a 3HD shadow or a 5HD shadow?
    Well, it doesn't really specify on the SRD, but the DMG does manage to muddy things a bit: "For example, a 9th level shadowdancer can have a shadow companion with 6 HD."

    while on the one hand that would explain why they reprint "summon shadow" at lvl 6 and 9, their example is a little confusing.

    normal shadows have 3 HD, not 2, so a 6th level shadowdancer's shadow would have 5 and then a 9th level shadowdancer's shadow would have 7, not 6, unless it "starts" with 2HD from your first 3 levels of shadowdancer (instead of its 3 racial HD from being a shadow) and then picks up HD after that since your shadow has a few immunities, which would make it add up. as a result, this seems more likely.

    this is what happens when you change the rules from 3.0 and don't change the tables as you might guess from the table, in 3.0, a shadowdancer just summoned 3 shadows without the HD stuffs.

    from the way I am reading it, you would have a 2HD shadow


    does that answer your question?

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    Competing, at least for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    Yay! as promised, I'm going to compete. I had a question about the flavour/fluff/backstory stuff. what is the etiquette on using pre-existing material for this (e.g. if I wrote about the tragic past of bruce wayne for vigilante the last time around) I haven't seen this done and wanted to make sure whether or not it was allowed or not since I didn't want to break any rules my first time around.
    We'll generally want to stay away from entirely or largely derivative backstories.

    While some similarities between your entrant and pre-existing fictional characters is all but inevitable, highlighting the similarities is often - though not always - harshly judged in Originality.
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    I'm going to watch this one carefully. If something suddenly springs out of the shadowy recesses of my mind, I will make an attempt. I've always felt like this class had more potential than a 1 level dip.
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    I think im going to throw my hat into the ring for this round. First time. Shadowdancer looks like fun.

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    Already thinking of two builds.
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    I have a perfect build that I can whip up but the book is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally obscure. It's actually official Wizards material and also 3.5, however, I'd be surprised if any of you have heard of it.

    Can someone who is going to judge let me know if they're docking for obscure material (because I'd rather not bother with it if it'll get me bent over and poked in the Elegance area)?

    Furthermore, would Shadow Jump take a Standard Action or a Move Action to use? Looks like it doesn't specify in the ability, so normally that means Standard, but I thought I'd get a second opinion.
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    This is the Internet, friend. There are frightening new depths to "obscure." Also, I vote "the Elegance area" for favorite new euphemism.
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    I actually have a physically copy. It's one of a type which are all pretty rare. I'd rather not say which one because I found that it is quite easy to get with a quick Google search, and that would give away my plans.
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    This is the Internet, friend. There are frightening new depths to "obscure."
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    Furthermore, would Shadow Jump take a Standard Action or a Move Action to use? Looks like it doesn't specify in the ability, so normally that means Standard, but I thought I'd get a second opinion.
    Shadow Jump specifies that it works as if you used Dimension Door, so it takes a standard action and ends your turn. The real question is whether or not you can bring people with you.
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    I have a perfect build that I can whip up but the book is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally obscure. It's actually official Wizards material and also 3.5, however, I'd be surprised if any of you have heard of it.

    Can someone who is going to judge let me know if they're docking for obscure material (because I'd rather not bother with it if it'll get me bent over and poked in the Elegance area)?
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    you're under no obligation to reveal, of course, it'll just bug me. I'll find out eventually
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    Another problem is that it doesn't specify the effective CL (unless SU abilities have a ruling on that)... and now that killed my first draft for a build... damn
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    I'll try to get a build in for this on time.
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    I think I'll judge again this round. I'll dig up my judging criteria sometime tomorrow.
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    Just to clarify: I assume we're interpreting the Summon Shadow ability with "text over table"? Because the SRD Table still uses the 3.0 version of the ability, where you summoned multiple shadows rather than having one Shadow's HD progress.
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