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    I was talking about this.
    I know. It basically gets casting as a cleric of half its level, minus domains.
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    I know. It basically gets casting as a cleric of half its level, minus domains.
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    As NosferatuZodd requested, the Path of the Ghoul has been added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    As NosferatuZodd requested, the Path of the Ghoul has been added.
    How about a lich or Dracolich?


    I've never seen anything done with mixing a dracolich into another critter and (by virtue of magic or the lich loved feat) it makes as much sense as any other undead creature in the bloodline.

    I really like the Solar path. Unless you put out one that I like even better, I'll be running this class by our other DM for an upcoming game.

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    Hm... how about a godling path? Children of gods seems pretty close to the fluff.

    If I could choose from standard DnD gods:

    1. Pelor
    2. Pharasma
    3. Asmodeous

    In that order. There could be others, too. Greek gods were famous for making out with mortals.

    A Pit fiend/balor line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silver spectre View Post
    How about a lich or Dracolich?


    I've never seen anything done with mixing a dracolich into another critter and (by virtue of magic or the lich loved feat) it makes as much sense as any other undead creature in the bloodline.
    It's been a long while, but other than possessing a reptilian body in lieu of making a new one, what exactly sets the Dracolich as distinct from the basic Lich?


    I really like the Solar path. Unless you put out one that I like even better, I'll be running this class by our other DM for an upcoming game.
    Well, I'm glad to hear that. Let me know how the playtest goes!

    Quote Originally Posted by SamBurke View Post
    Hm... how about a godling path? Children of gods seems pretty close to the fluff.

    If I could choose from standard DnD gods:

    1. Pelor
    2. Pharasma
    3. Asmodeous

    In that order. There could be others, too. Greek gods were famous for making out with mortals.
    Hm...

    That actually sounds like an idea for a dual progression PrC for Cleric and this class.

    A Pit fiend/balor line?
    Will do. Though you'll definitely be seeing the Pit Fiend since I prefer them over the Balor.



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    What do you guys think about the Path of the Ghoul? I was afraid it wouldn't measure up to the other two without the flight, regeneration, damage reduction or SLA's.
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    It's a little less powerful, for sure. But, I think it'd have its place. It could get boosted a bit, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBurke View Post
    It's a little less powerful, for sure. But, I think it'd have its place. It could get boosted a bit, though.
    Gah; I really had to wrack my brain on that one too. Stupid Ghouls and Ghasts being such boring creatures.

    Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    Gah; I really had to wrack my brain on that one too. Stupid Ghouls and Ghasts being such boring creatures.

    Any suggestions?
    Negative level dealing is the major power that undead have. Paralysis (to be more specific to that monster) is also nice.

    Controlling minions would give it an awesome niche: this class can be a Dread Necro. Or, a Solar. Now that's choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBurke View Post
    Negative level dealing is the major power that undead have. Paralysis (to be more specific to that monster) is also nice.
    Well, negative levels isn't the schtick of Ghouls and it does get Paralysis. I even put feats that specifically increase the potency of its paralysis as bonus feat selections to try and give the whole Path a boost.

    I didn't look at that one Ghoul in the Libris Mortis though...

    Controlling minions would give it an awesome niche: this class can be a Dread Necro. Or, a Solar. Now that's choice.
    Well, it does get some minion creation and control abilities. Should I maybe make their duration permanent but really drive home the amount cap?

    And what about the Solar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    It's been a long while, but other than possessing a reptilian body in lieu of making a new one, what exactly sets the Dracolich as distinct from the basic Lich?
    I'll look it up when I get a chance, but other than requiring a new dragon corpse with range of the phylactery and the only requirement is being a dragon, the differences aren't too minor.

    Off the top of my head: they gain a paralyzing gaze attack, minor increase to SR and NA, minor boost to CHA, and the BW is based on CHA rather than CON, the ability to control undead every couple of days or so,and flight becomes supernatural.
    They lose their crush attack, but retain all of their other dragon abilities.

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    You sir, have just made my day. When I saw that the wyrd-blooded had been abandoned, I was concerned, to say the least. Seeing this has turned what has otherwise been quite a stressful week into something much better.

    On the request side, I would love to see the return of the troll heritage. I had been using it in a homebrew setting me and some friends were making and it had a somewhat crucial role. Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    What do you guys think about the Path of the Ghoul? I was afraid it wouldn't measure up to the other two without the flight, regeneration, damage reduction or SLA's.
    Potent at melee range, to say the least.

    Stench that ruins your day, natural attacks that paralyze, and eventually doing DEX and CON damage with every successful natural attack. He could give great wyrm a serious headache if he manages to get into melee with it.


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    Any creature that attempts to Channel energy within thirty feet of the Scion of Legacy must making a DC 11+the Scion of Legacy's Hit Dice Caster Level check or have the attempt fail.
    Is this for a specific energy type or energy in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver spectre View Post
    I'll look it up when I get a chance, but other than requiring a new dragon corpse with range of the phylactery and the only requirement is being a dragon, the differences aren't too minor.

    Off the top of my head: they gain a paralyzing gaze attack, minor increase to SR and NA, minor boost to CHA, and the BW is based on CHA rather than CON, the ability to control undead every couple of days or so,and flight becomes supernatural.
    They lose their crush attack, but retain all of their other dragon abilities.
    I'll take a look.

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    You sir, have just made my day. When I saw that the wyrd-blooded had been abandoned, I was concerned, to say the least. Seeing this has turned what has otherwise been quite a stressful week into something much better.

    On the request side, I would love to see the return of the troll heritage. I had been using it in a homebrew setting me and some friends were making and it had a somewhat crucial role. Thanks in advance.
    Glad I could cheer you up. xD

    Until I get a chance though, feel free to run the Troll Heritage Wyrd-blooded as is. Of all the Heritages, it was the one that was mentioned as being the most balanced of them.


    Quote Originally Posted by silver spectre View Post
    Potent at melee range, to say the least.

    Stench that ruins your day, natural attacks that paralyze, and eventually doing DEX and CON damage with every successful natural attack. He could give great wyrm a serious headache if he manages to get into melee with it.
    That's what I felt when I made the Stench nastier and made the Ghoul Fever instant and virulent, but it still needs to compete against DR, SLAs and Regeneration.




    Is this for a specific energy type or energy in general?
    Channel Energy.

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    So its a pathfinder thing, then.?
    The site is blocked on this system (and I don't have the admin capability to override).
    Do they have a PDF available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver spectre View Post
    So its a pathfinder thing, then.?
    The site is blocked on this system (and I don't have the admin capability to override).
    Do they have a PDF available?
    They do... let me dig it up.

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    A good cleric (or a neutral cleric who worships a good deity) channels positive energy and can choose to deal damage to undead creatures or to heal living creatures. An evil cleric (or a neutral cleric who worships an evil deity) channels negative energy and can choose to deal damage to living creatures or to heal undead creatures. A neutral cleric of a neutral deity (or one who is not devoted to a particular deity) must choose whether she channels positive or negative energy. Once this choice is made, it cannot be reversed. This decision also determines whether the cleric can cast spontaneous cure or inflict spells (see spontaneous casting).

    Channeling energy causes a burst that affects all creatures of one type (either undead or living) in a 30-foot radius centered on the cleric. The amount of damage dealt or healed is equal to 1d6 points of damage plus 1d6 points of damage for every two cleric levels beyond 1st (2d6 at 3rd, 3d6 at 5th, and so on). Creatures that take damage from channeled energy receive a Will save to halve the damage. The DC of this save is equal to 10 + 1/2 the cleric's level + the cleric's Charisma modifier. Creatures healed by channel energy cannot exceed their maximum hit point total—all excess healing is lost. A cleric may channel energy a number of times per day equal to 3 + her Charisma modifier. This is a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. A cleric can choose whether or not to include herself in this effect.

    A cleric must be able to present her holy symbol to use this ability.
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    One more thing, and this might have been mentioned before, but I don't think that hybrid potential gives the max level of SLA you get from the chosen domain. As written you seem to get them all 1/day as soon as you get it.
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    Since you asked for some requests.. Allow Me..

    A Gloom would be great to see. I have a fondness for them, that few seem to share.

    An Abomination would be quite cool to see as well, for specifics, I like the anaxim.

    I wouldn't mind seeing one for mindflayer, that way psonics would be covered as well.

    A pit fiend would be lovely as I love devils..

    For dragons, any color would do, though I like force dragons and green ones the best.

    Elemental paths are always good to see..

    Lastly perhaps a Titan. Those things are beasts, after all.
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    What about having a class-based bloodline? Having an arcanist in the past would certainly change you just slightly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by radmelon View Post
    One more thing, and this might have been mentioned before, but I don't think that hybrid potential gives the max level of SLA you get from the chosen domain. As written you seem to get them all 1/day as soon as you get it.
    I'm not sure what you're exactly saying here, but thanks for catching that, as worded now, it gives 9th level spells at level 4. I'll go fix that.

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    Since you asked for some requests.. Allow Me..

    A Gloom would be great to see. I have a fondness for them, that few seem to share.

    An Abomination would be quite cool to see as well, for specifics, I like the anaxim.

    I wouldn't mind seeing one for mindflayer, that way psonics would be covered as well.

    A pit fiend would be lovely as I love devils..

    For dragons, any color would do, though I like force dragons and green ones the best.

    Elemental paths are always good to see..

    Lastly perhaps a Titan. Those things are beasts, after all.
    I do believe you're the same gentleman who asked for the Gloom Ardent Tether in my Dreambound Canvas thread.

    What kind of Elemental though?

    Quote Originally Posted by SamBurke View Post
    What about having a class-based bloodline? Having an arcanist in the past would certainly change you just slightly...
    Well, a lot of monsters have innate casting so they would end up getting it as part of their path. Though I'm sorry to say again Sam, that what you're pitching sounds more like an idea for a PrC (though this one just having its own spellcasting instead of being dual-progressed).



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    Ooh, interesting. I'd be happy to see a Golem (Iron, if I must be specific) track, or a Gloom track if that's easier.
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    All 4 elementals would be best. As each can see a bit of use depending on circumstance. And yes I am the same person. What can I say, I like classes like these. They both deal with the same idea to some degree. And yes golems could be nice to see.
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    I'd like to see more of the heritages from the old class redone before movingon to new subjects.
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    I know! Tarrasque heritage!

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    Some suggestions.
    Shadow.
    Pixie.
    Vampire.
    Succubus.
    Ghaele.
    Hydra.
    Lillend.
    Nymph.
    I also support the already suggested troll and titan.
    Not to look through the MMII.

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    As requested by Radmelon, the Path of the Troll is up.

    As requested by Silver Spectre, the Path of the Lich is up (don't have my copy of Draconomicon on hand).

    As requested by SameBurke, the Path of the Pit Fiend is up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mootoall View Post
    Ooh, interesting. I'd be happy to see a Golem (Iron, if I must be specific) track, or a Gloom track if that's easier.
    Added to the list.

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    All 4 elementals would be best. As each can see a bit of use depending on circumstance.
    Well, I can think of at least 15 different elementals off the top of my head so...

    Quote Originally Posted by radmelon View Post
    I'd like to see more of the heritages from the old class redone before movingon to new subjects.
    If they get suggested, I'll remake them, but I'm not doing a straight conversion. That's not how I like to work.

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    I know! Tarrasque heritage!
    I dunno. The Tarrasque is generally a unique creature, so that might be something that ends up as PrC material like the God descendants would.

    Quote Originally Posted by jojolagger View Post
    Some suggestions.
    Shadow.
    Pixie.
    Vampire.
    Succubus.
    Ghaele.
    Hydra.
    Lillend.
    Nymph.
    I also support the already suggested troll and titan.
    Not to look through the MMII.
    You're going to make me have to institute a limit per person on suggestions, aren't you?
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    Wow, you work fast. I really like how the troll came out, it kept all of the stuff it needed from the old class and left all the chaff behind.
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    I think at least one of the Fey heritages someone suggested is a must. Also, one for Giants. And.....Cthulhu, definitely Cthulhu ;).

    EDIT: I think it's best to keep the heritages general, FWIW. So, maybe draconic, fiendish, fey, etc. If you get too specific, the thing's gonna be huge and a LOT of the heritages will be really, really similar.

    Question though, is this a 3.0 class or a 3.P class? I noticed the skills are different from 3.5...

    Also....how could one be DESCENDED from a Lich, Ghoul, Golem, etc? They're not alive. They can't reproduce (at least not without some damn powerful and....icky....magic).
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    Default Re: By Blood he is born, by Deed he is forged. [Base Class]

    Quote Originally Posted by JackRackham View Post
    Also....how could one be DESCENDED from a Lich, Ghoul, Golem, etc? They're not alive. They can't reproduce (at least not without some damn powerful and....icky....magic).
    Gentle repose should keep an undead body sufficently complete, and constructs via use of incinerate construct (or the half-golem template). Undead need low level magic. Golems would need an 8th (IIRC) level spell, undead only a 2nd level spell.
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