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2011-11-22, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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How many A list superheroes have spotty PR?
Just wondering. I mean, you have spiderman who is constantly dealing with a major newspaper that hates him just because he exists and is always sending out new articles claiming he is a villain or something. Plus you have batman who, at least as I understand it, generally has at best a patchy acceptance by the police, and at times they have tried to arrest him as he is capturing various thugs and bad guys.
Are there more superheroes who have a genuinely negative reputation in their home town? Or at least a following that doesnt like him outside the bad guys? I mean, superman has lex luthor who I understand at least used to spend a lot of time and effort trying to make superman look bad and ruin his reputation, but he wasnt very successful overall and the general citizens of metropolis dont spend much time debating back and forth about whether he is a criminal or a hero like happens to parker."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
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2011-11-22, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How many A list superheroes have spotty PR?
X-Men. Being hated by everyone is kind of the who premise, I believe.
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2011-11-22, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Batman, depending on writer.
He might have Gotham PD at his beck and call or only Gordon even marginally accepts him, if at all.
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2011-11-22, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How many A list superheroes have spotty PR?
Off the top of my head the X-Men would count. Some characters in Watchmen, particularly Rorschach and The Comedian, though somewhat deservedly so. The super heroes from The Incredibles did very well until the lawsuit incident which forced them into hiding.
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2011-11-22, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh man yeah, i forgot about the xmen. Although in their case its less they are hated specifically as it is, "ITS A MUTIE! KILL IT!" Heh, of course ymmv considering the huge list of people who have been included in the ranks of xmen over the years. I know a rather large number have been hated at one point or another.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2011-11-22, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How many A list superheroes have spotty PR?
Depends. What week is it for the Avengers?
Hell, spotty PR is a running theme with most superheroes, especially in the Marvel universe. It's like they DON'T want superheroes to protect them from supervillains and cosmic horrors.
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2011-11-22, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's like everyone having run out of ideas 50 years ago.
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2011-11-22, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's mainly a Marvel thing. Everyone from the Avengers to the X-Men face increased scrutiny from the government to the public, and while Spidey and the X-men face it the worst even popular heroes take a lot of flack. Even the Avengers spin in and out of government supervision and press scrutiny, with figures like Captain America, Thor and Iron Man being hit just as bad as everybody else. I think you'd be hard pressed to name a Marvel superhero who hasn't been hit with troubles from the public at one point or another.
In DC comics it's a much less well worn story arc. The DC public in general seem much kinder to their heroes.Avatar by Simius
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2011-11-22, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How many A list superheroes have spotty PR?
Well, first you can look at other heroes created by Steve Ditko: Captain Atom (Captain Adam), Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), The Question (Vic Sage) and the underground-published Mr A (Rex Graine). Captain Atom started as a generally well liked hero, hated only by criminals, spies and Soviet Russia's Politburo. However, as Charlton Comics re-started publishing of super-heroes (now called Action Heroes), the new guys and gals (not just by Ditko) got more "Marvelized". While Captain Atom was still usually liked, people got soon afraid of him when his old suit tore up and leaked radiation, wanted him banned. Only when he got a new suit was a part of his body and always shielded radiation, and then captured the bad guys, he got popular again.
PR-wise, things were even worse for BB. As Ted Kord, he was at first suspect for the murder of Dan Garret, who happened to be the original BB. The circumstances around the new and the old BB was kept a mystery even for the readers for a few issues. Later, he would get to fight the counter-culture, but the general populace and the police seemed to agree with him.
The Question as well as Vic Sage - a controversial TV newscaster - were often hated and dispised by the public, but Vic never let that make him feel bad. Oddly enough, the police didn't mind either Vic or the Question.
Mr A was in many ways a more hardcore version of The Question, or The Question was a softcore version of Mr A (they were both first published in about the same time). Even more hated by the public than the The Question/Vic, but always confident about his (according to Ditko) righteousness.Viking/Paladin by Astrella
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2011-11-22, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-22, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-22, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-22, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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However he is very stringent on what counts as evil and how he selects other men to murder and kill.
He's much like the Punisher in that sense, another 'hero' with very poor public esteem and with good reason.
Whether this can be seen as heroic, doing good by committing evil acts, would be better discussed in a separate thread than derailing this one.
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2011-11-22, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-22, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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After the hostage rescue in Iran, yes. But not during the police strikes. The general populace in USA does seem to have been ignorant about his actions in the Pacific theatre during WWII and in Vietnam. Hollis (Nite Owl I) couldn't prove he was a rapist in his book Under the Hood, but merely imply it.
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2011-11-22, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-22, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Fantastic Four do a pretty good job of staying on the good side of public opinion. Not perfect, mind you (this is Marvel), but I'd say they're better than most.
Which is ironic since Reed Richards is a lot more ruthlessly utilitarian than, say, Spider-Man. Not that he's an antihero by any means, but still...
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2011-11-22, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not sure if they count as A-list but The Authority had pretty bad PR from what I remember. Granted they probably deserved it but still.
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2011-11-22, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Fantastic Four do a pretty good job of staying on the good side of public opinion. Not perfect, mind you (this is Marvel), but I'd say they're better than most.Avatar by Simius
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2011-11-22, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Considering J. Jonah Jameson is a name that every comic fan knows by heart, I'd say Spiderman is the quintessential hero with bad publicity.
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2011-11-23, 01:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know about how many character do already, but all of them should. Atleast, if they're based in the US, they should realistically have problems, since, you know, vigilante justice is illegal
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2011-11-23, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm less clear on DC, but in Marvel "Superhero Law" is a well defined sub-branch of the legal system, with top tier law firms which specialize in its execution and legislation specifically about it.
Real world vigilante laws do not apply to comics. As should be logically expected, since I'm sure if super powered heroes operated in the real world the laws would receive some sort of overhaul.Avatar by Simius
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2011-11-23, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Especially given the fact that general law enforcement - and military forces - are often completely unable to deal with super-villians. Even the likes of S.H.I.E.L.D. S.W.O.R.D. and Cadmus frequently seem to frack it up and need the heroes to dig them out, and that's kinda their whole purpose...
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2011-11-23, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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every super in the DC universe kinda does by nature of the fact that project cadmus exists
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2011-11-23, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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The whole Vigilante thing makes me wonder, though...
Why don't any superheroes try to join the police?Resident Vancian Apologist
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2011-11-23, 09:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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every super in the DC universe kinda does by nature of the fact that project cadmus exists
The whole Vigilante thing makes me wonder, though...
Why don't any superheroes try to join the police?thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2011-11-23, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mostly I would imagine because if they joined the force there would be official rules to work by and any secret identity goes out the window. With public records laws etc anyone could find out about them.
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2011-11-23, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thats something that happens very rarely usually because of a few things like Time resources Juristiction ect.
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2011-11-23, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How many A list superheroes have spotty PR?
Golden Age Batman was deputized in 1943, with secret ID intact. Adam West's live action Batman was also "a duly deputized peace officer" or some such.
Doc Savage, if you want to count pulp heroes (there have been a few comic book titles), has/had a "police commission". But he doesn't do "regular" police cases.
Captain Atom works/worked for the US Air Force.
Then there's Pat Mill's and Kevin O'Neill's Marshal Law, but don't call him a super-hero... It tends to tick him off...Last edited by H Birchgrove; 2011-11-23 at 10:39 AM.
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2011-11-23, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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