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2011-12-05, 02:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Sorry. Mostly I don't have any actual hate for the comic (But by god is it awfull). Its also hard to convey pronunciation and the phrase through text. But il try to tone it down.
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2011-12-05, 02:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-05, 03:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
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2011-12-05, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Best Jayden arc EVAR!
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2011-12-05, 03:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-05, 03:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-05, 04:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Actualy, i think todays comic were one of the better ones, i liked the way Miranda managet to handle the situation like an adult.
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2011-12-05, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Yes, but that only worked because Miranda's family used all the wrong arguments and ways against Donoven.
Would that reply work if Miranda's mother would simply state her fears based on the fact that Donoven does not have any stable job or roots anywhere?
Would that work without making Donoven the victim of physical and mental torture?
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2011-12-05, 05:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
The last panel ruins it. The whole of the last week was Miranda's parents being unreasonable. Now Miranda gives one little talk and suddenly they're reasonable?
If Miranda's parents are angry about the wedding, and Miranda snaps at them, it seems far more in character for them to get more angry. In terms of the story, that's a good thing. There's conflict, Miranda might be forced to make a choice between Donovan or her parents, maybe they have to do something to try to patch things up. That's interesting.
Instead it looks like we're getting a Mookie story of the tale of how Miranda's parents were dismissive of Donovan until called on it, and then everyone was happy. Riveting stuff.
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2011-12-05, 06:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
It's not ruined yet.
We see that what Miranda said had a big effect, which makes sense.
It doesn't necessarily mean that the parents will instantly accept Donoven now, or like Miranda's choice.
If from here it goes to "first it felt forced and awkward, but over the years they slowly learned to accept it and even enjoy Donovan's talent", it will actually be good.
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2011-12-05, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-05, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-05, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Not really. Last week it was Miranda's parents being all unreasonable. Miranda gives her Deegan speech, and now they're reasonable all of a sudden. Guilt trips don't work like that.
But hey, Mookie managed to have character conflict between "good" characters for about a week. That might be a new record.
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2011-12-05, 06:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
The best conflict we've seen in a while in DD -- and it's one with a foregone conclusion since it's in a flashback.
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2011-12-05, 07:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Ughhhh. Mookie does it again. Miranda's mother says something that makes no sense, so that Miranda can rebut it with a nonsense comparison.
"He's a bard, deceiving people around him."
How exactly does Donovan deceive people around him? How is this a criticism of him, at all in keeping with what has been said previously? It doesn't, it was only said so that Miranda an chirp back up with he clever little retort about her father. Arguments don't work this way."Sanity is not statistical."
- George Orwell, 1984
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2011-12-05, 07:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
So, this is closer to an actual guilt thing, because Miranda's saying "You guys are being terrible and that's hurting my feelings," as opposed to last week's "You weren't a monk before you got married, and that's unreasonable." Hooray!
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2011-12-05, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Let's come up with harder to refute Bard's flaws that Donovan might have.
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2011-12-05, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Guys, you're all missing a crucial point made in today's comic.
A Deegan has declared that illusions are "selfish" and "a deception" (ie: bad).
Man, it's a good thing that none of our other First-Tier Protagonists have ever relied on them as a primary form of defence, even against muggle villagers and innocent Dwarves who don't know anything about them, or as a means of amusing themselves when other people would have to rely on actual conversations or something....
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2011-12-05, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Well later on there is that little thing of pretending not to understand orcish for twenty years...
Edit: BTW it annoys me that Donovan is a "bard" instead of a musician or a minstrel or something more accurate to what he does. Mookie isn't bothering to hide he's cribbed everything in the Deeganverse from D&D.Last edited by Trazoi; 2011-12-05 at 08:26 AM.
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2011-12-05, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
I don't think today's comic is bad, actually. Apart from the art, of course - check out old Stravo giving us his best blasé upper-class look in panel 2, by the way.
I can see this whole scene play out just like that. I can't see it as the moment that ended all arguments about Donovan, his idea to elope, and the marriage forever, which I assume it will be in the comic*, but hey, it's something.
*: I also hope that this is over now. I really want to go back to Jayden, at least her story looked like it would be funny. This just bores me. Giving us more details than just "My grandparents didn't like my father at first, so they made him feel bad. A lot." was such a terrible idea.Last edited by Johnny Blade; 2011-12-05 at 08:46 AM.
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2011-12-05, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
In fairness, I'm more annoyed that he keeps using the word "Bard" when in the Medieval era (in which DD:OfH is supposedly set) it actually means "poet" rather than "singer" or "musician".
At best, Mookie has confused the term for "minstrel", which was basically a poet who accompanied his poems with an instrument and generally lived a vagrant lifestyle. THAT - a guy who is basically a hobo with a lute - would be something for a well-to-do family like the Deegans to be wary of, rather than the professional musician that Donovan is portrayed to be.
It's a 19th-20th century romanticism that makes the word have anything to do with singing. It was never accurate in the first place, and Mookie is misusing even that much. Author's License and all that, but still..... Call a rabbit 'a rabbit', if you want your audience to follow what's going on easily.
Incidentally, in looking for that link I said the word 'rabbit' out loud ten times in a row. It has weirdly lost any sense of meaning to me.Last edited by Wraith; 2011-12-05 at 09:10 AM.
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2011-12-05, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
That'd be the semantic satiation kicking in. Repeating any word long enough makes it harder to think of it as a word.
My guess about where this came from: not strictly autobiographical. Rather he was worried that something like this would happen, played out scenarios in his head, and then everything went better than expected. Since he'd thought of sweet comebacks to cutting insults, he decided he couldn't just throw them away.
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2011-12-05, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
So... replace "Bard" with "Webcartoonist?"
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Honestly, this crap is becoming more like LICD with its blatant wish-fulfillment and plotlessness every day. At least DD used to have the pretension of some plot that existed outside the narrow desires of the protagonist
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2011-12-05, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Am I the only one who's just glad this was resolved like adults instead of having a week of Miranda beamspamming her parents and Donovan hitting them with a guitar?
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2011-12-05, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-05, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
This strip comes closer to being decent than any other has in quite a while. That said, as has been mentioned, the last panel sabotages the whole thing a bit.
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2011-12-05, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Yeah, I can see them getting into a beamspam fight over it and then making up at the end... I prefer the quick guilt trip, which isn't entirely mature but better. Also, we CAN assume for our own sanity that Dominic is summarizing the argument, which may not have been as clean-cut as we saw. It probably WAS, but we can pretend.
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2011-12-05, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
Except they clearly weren't supposed to be good. They were strawmen who just happened to be related to one of the good guys, and just now they've seen the light and been redeemed.
This strip made me want to run my head through the wall. As soon as Miranda started her walls of text I could predict what the end was going to be. As if she wasn't already enough of a Mary Sue.
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2011-12-05, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XLI: No Morals! No Quarter! All Brutal!
You leave Scarf out of this! He's done no harm!
I don't really have an opinion on what's going on in comic right now, but it is kind of sobering to realize that I don't want Mookie to go into more detail on Rilian or some of the other characters' backstory after seeing this. It seems like it'd just be best for him to leave the past mysterious for most of the characters.Last edited by BlackDragonKing; 2011-12-05 at 11:16 AM.
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2011-12-05, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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