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    Default Unresolved Plot Point Collection Thread II

    Put in a new thread cause the old one died and due to the changing of the guard mysterywise.


    There are many unresolved plot points and unanswered questions in Oots verse. Rather than debate them, this thread is about gathering them together in one easy thread. I have done a few (a good few) to start y'all off. Any mysteries collected will be added to the OP. Any mysteries solved will be deleted from the OP. starting in 3,2,1:


    The big three:

    What is Varsuuvius’ gender?

    What is MitD?

    How will Belkar “die”?


    Story-wide plot points:

    When will Xykon and Redcloak fully betray each other?

    What's the deal with the world in the world?

    Do the crayon drawings hide a secret?

    How will Elan get his happy ending?

    Will Belkar kill Varsuuvius?

    How will the IFCC use their remaining 24 minutes of V’s soul?

    What are the 9 (or more) sides to the conflict?

    Will MitD turn to the side of good?

    What is Redcloak going to do with the Phylacetery and when will Xykon find out about the switch?

    Is the Dark One hiding a step in his grand plan from Redcloak?

    Will Durkon become a normal Dwarf again?

    Where do Sabine's loyalties lie?


    Future arc plot points:

    What broke up the Scribble so much?

    How did Kraagnor die?

    Where is Serini?

    How is Xykon's fortress going to show up in the plot?

    What else does Xykon have in secret?

    Why was the Dark One gathering an army of souls?

    What did Roy ask his Archon to do?

    Will Eugene go to heaven?

    What will O-Chul and Lien find at Kraagnor's gate?

    What will happen to Azure city?

    Will the Soul-Splice be used again?

    How did the Scribble find out what the gates did?

    How will Belkar save Hinjo's life a 2nd time?

    What will really happen if all the gates are destroyed?

    What is Elan's plan to help Ian and co defeat Tarquin?

    Who is Aunt Ivy really?

    What was Nale's "Evil Potential"?

    Will Thog live?


    Current arc plot points:

    What is Hel's Plan?

    Can the Inner Durkon fight the spirit controlling him?


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    How will Durkon bring doom to the dwarves?

    What Happened to Redcloak's niece?

    What happened to Xykon's gem with the souls of the scribble in it?

    What about that anti-betrayal spell Xykon did on the Mitd?

    What is Redcloak's real name?

    What happened to Lirian and Right Eye's zombies?
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    Will we ever know:

    What is Daigo's surname?

    What happened when Roy and Durkon visited the Oracle the first time?

    Why is Fyron's son not in SoD?

    What did Haley mean when she said she's not exactly what you call...?

    Will Hilgya come back?

    What is Elan's last name?

    Has Kazumi had that baby yet?

    What will Kazumi call the baby?

    What happened to Dorukan's and Lirian's rifts?

    When will Eugene haunt Roy again?

    Will Eugene keep his promise not to visit his family?
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    Default Re: Unresolved Plot Point Collection Thread II

    I dunno if this is a "plot point" but the Death Squad seems like a Chekov's Gun to me - I'm sorta expecting them to show up again. Though I've been wrong before.
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    -Why did Nale kill Malack's children?
    -Is Girard Draketooth still alive?
    -Which will be the consequence of Roy not reading the report about V "alarming dealing with the forces of Evil" that Eugene burned?
    -Will Amun Zora take revenge on Tarquin/Elan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley
    How did Kraagnor die?
    Ever since Blackwing told V what he say in the rift, I've thought that a better question would be, "Did Kraagnor actually die?"

    How will Durkon’s return be posthomonous?
    Oh!Oh! I know this one! It'll happen after he dies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley View Post
    What is Varsuuvius’ gender?
    I'm not sure this should really count as an "unresolved plot point" seeing as A. it doesn't really affect the plot point and B. The Giant has made it pretty clear this is not going to revealed; it's a riddle deliberately made to have no answer. (Contrast the case of the MitD, which is a riddle with a really hard answer.)

    Why is Fyron's son not in SoD?
    Isn't the obvious explanation for this one that Fyron's son was not, in fact, killed by Xykon, and Roy simply got it wrong for some reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley View Post
    What is Elan's last name?
    Or he just doesn't have one. Not all humans appear to in OotS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley View Post
    What happened when Roy and Durkon visited the Oracle the first time?

    Why is Fyron's son not in SoD?
    For the first one: Roy and Durkon asked where Xykon was. The Oracle told them "In his throne room". Roy and Durkon tried to ask another question. They Oracle told them to bugger off. Roy dangled the bloody puke out a window. They got another question. They asked for the location of Xykon in a much more specific sense. The Oracle told them. They left.

    For the second one: A retconjurer magicked his way over into OotS from Erfworld. Mischief Ensued.
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    I must be the least observant person on the planet.

    I JUST noticed, after reading the comic since 2007ish, THAT V HAS BEEN WEARING A CLOAK SINCE COMIC 1

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    Who did Durkon inflict with a colon tumor back from strip 7?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSSheridan View Post
    Who did Durkon inflict with a colon tumor back from strip 7?
    No one. It was just a gag. You start naming all the gags we'll have a 100 page list.

    Also, did Thog die in the rubble?

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    What happened to Dorukan's and Lirian's rifts?

    Dorukan and xykon fought, xykon won, oots and xykon fought, xykon lost, elan made an explosion. With lirian's gate, it was implied that the goblins working for xykon had destroyed it, off screen afaik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrzomby View Post
    What happened to Dorukan's and Lirian's rifts?
    Well, the Sapphire Guard went to one of them, so I'm assume everything's fine there.

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    Will Zz'dtri continue to be a regular Linear Guilder? (Could go along with Thog's fate.)
    Quote Originally Posted by mrzomby View Post
    What happened to Dorukan's and Lirian's rifts?

    Dorukan and xykon fought, xykon won, oots and xykon fought, xykon lost, elan made an explosion. With lirian's gate, it was implied that the goblins working for xykon had destroyed it, off screen afaik.
    He means what happened to the open rifts. And the goblins didn't destroy Lirian's Gate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    He means what happened to the open rifts. And the goblins didn't destroy
    Yeah I know and based on the fact the two paladins went there and that seems to be the only mention of it everything is probably fine there. The environment is not* purple-hued in the flashback like in Azure City.

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    Why would anything have happened to the rifts after they became exposed, other than them sitting there?
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    Someone else (besides the two paladins) may have noticed them and become involved in the plot, I guess.
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    The environment is purple-hued in the flashback like in Azure City.
    Either one of us needs our eyes checked out, or you have a pretty broad interpretation of purple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    Why would anything have happened to the rifts after they became exposed, other than them sitting there?
    IIRC the rift of Azure City was the smaller of the five and look how large it is now . It's possible the other exposed rifts have grown too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    Someone else (besides the two paladins) may have noticed them and become involved in the plot, I guess.Either one of us needs our eyes checked out, or you have a pretty broad interpretation of purple.
    I forgot to include "not" in there. And that is to prove my point. No purple, no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevereatcars View Post
    For the first one: Roy and Durkon asked where Xykon was. The Oracle told them "In his throne room". Roy and Durkon tried to ask another question. They Oracle told them to bugger off. Roy dangled the bloody puke out a window. They got another question. They asked for the location of Xykon in a much more specific sense. The Oracle told them. They left.
    But they asked three questions. Question 1's answer was "in his throne room". Question 3's answer was "Dungeon of Dorukan in the Redmountain Hills" Both were asked by Roy. What happened to Durkon's question: Question 2?
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    Is Sabine more loyal to Nale or the IFCC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley View Post
    But they asked three questions. Question 1's answer was "in his throne room". Question 3's answer was "Dungeon of Dorukan in the Redmountain Hills" Both were asked by Roy. What happened to Durkon's question: Question 2?
    How do you know what the answer to the 3rd question was? It could have been "Then whar be Xykon's throne room?" as the 2nd question (the Dungeon of Dorukan would be his response), then the extra question would have asked for a detailed description of the dungeon (supported by OtOoPC) and where it is, the exact coordinates, and the fastest route to the dungeon or if he recommends the scenic route, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    How do you know what the answer to the 3rd question was? It could have been "Then whar be Xykon's throne room?" as the 2nd question (the Dungeon of Dorukan would be his response), then the extra question would have asked for a detailed description of the dungeon (supported by OtOoPC) and where it is, the exact coordinates, and the fastest route to the dungeon or if he recommends the scenic route, etc.
    Since we don't know, that's exactly why it's an unresolved plot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    How do you know what the answer to the 3rd question was? It could have been "Then whar be Xykon's throne room?" as the 2nd question (the Dungeon of Dorukan would be his response), then the extra question would have asked for a detailed description of the dungeon (supported by OtOoPC) and where it is, the exact coordinates, and the fastest route to the dungeon or if he recommends the scenic route, etc.
    Would be funnier if question 2 was "Can we get a do-over on question 1?" and the answer was "no".

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    I don't understand the question about the "Crayons of Time". Asking if they "hide a secret" looks quite generic to me. Might as well ask if any story told by characters and not shown hides a secret.
    Was there, originally, a specific reason to wonder and what was the doubt about, exactly? Just that the people telling this story were lying? That there was a hidden message inside the "Crayons of Time"?

    PS: What is a "posthomonous" and where can I buy it? Also, who is Girad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin82 View Post
    Was there, originally, a specific reason to wonder and what was the doubt about, exactly?
    Someone posted on this forum, saying that he believed Start of Darkness was real, but his friend was arguing that the whole book was merely "what Redcloak claims happened."

    Rich responded that everything we saw in Start of Darkness actually happened and none of it was filtered through Redcloak...except the crayon section, which totally was filtered through Redcloak.
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    What will become of the village the Oracle created to get back at Belkar?

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    Who is Durkon’s new Linear guild opposite?
    He has none
    What is Quarr up to?
    Helping Sabine steer the linear guild in the direction the IFCC wants them to be in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeping eagle View Post
    Is Sabine more loyal to Nale or the IFCC?
    I think 804 answered that pretty clearly. Even the title of the page is "Where Her Loyalties Lie".

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    Really? I think 804 served to lampshade how very ambiguous the question is at the moment, perhaps even to Sabine.

    Even the title of the page is "Where Her Loyalties Lie."
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    Would be funnier if question 2 was "Can we get a do-over on question 1?" and the answer was "no".
    That would be awesome.
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    Here's a question we can add: What is Redcloak's (and Right-Eye's) real name? (This might be one of those things that is never revealed, or it might finally be revealed when he and Xykon betray each other.)

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