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2012-03-10, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
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2012-03-10, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
Rant on Sunn, Metallica rules, blah blah blah, controversial statement, blah blah blah.
I've been listening to some Motorhead and Diamond Head lately. Great bands. Good music. Even some Motley Crue, but whether you call that metal or just hard rock is up to you.Steam username is Triscuitable.
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2012-03-10, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
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2012-03-10, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
Maybe your tastes are just too casual to understand.
In other news, Dopesmoker* is getting both remastered and re-released on Southern Lord, including a bonus live rendition of Holy Mountain.
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with boooooooooooong innnnnnnnnnn haaaaaaaaaaaaaandLast edited by ex cathedra; 2012-03-10 at 03:27 PM.
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2012-03-10, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
If you come at it as a Black Metal fan, rather then a Shoegaze or Post-Rock fan, then yes.
v = u in Latin.
It's just a term that a lot of the old pretentious Black Metal fans used to describe Black Metal that was "true", the gritty, underground stuff that only die-hard fans listened to. "Kvlt" in the same sense as a "cult" film.
These days, most people I know use it in a tongue-in-cheek manner. (including myself)Last edited by Nameless; 2012-03-10 at 03:27 PM.
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2012-03-10, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
what
Mayhem (when Euronymous was alive), especially Deathcrush, isn't stereotypical. It's ****ing amazing. Immortal is pretty good too, though I actually prefer Old Wainds for that kinda thing. Dimmu Borgir sucks I hate those choads. ]:< Step two seems kvlt, as long as you're talking about stuff like Moonblood demos and LLN stuff. I don't know where you're getting steps 3/4 from. Alcest is about as far as you can get from kvlt. God I hate like 75% of his music. I hope Shyy and all those other band-wagon riders die in a fire when the fad ends and the wagon flies off a cliff.
I use it semi-seriously. I love "kvlt" black metal, both old school stuff like the Norway bands, LLN, Archgoat, Beherit's demos, Havohej/Profanatica, all that good stuff, and newer raw bands like Baptism or whatever.
I've never been a viking/black person but I tend to like most modes of BM, largely because I think of BM as inherently experimental or semi-experimental and enjoy listening to its variations, presuming they're good.Wonder Woman (DC Girls in Sweaters Style) Avatar by Astrella.
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2012-03-10, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-11, 01:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh. I find a lot of people don't get into the old school Norwegian bands first because they tend to be rawer or more challenging to listen to or understand. People tend to go for melodic or symphonic stuff.
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2012-03-11, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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THIS. I don't know anyone who starts listening to BM through Mayhem, or Bathory, or Celtic Frost. They'll start with Emperor (if they're awesome), or, more likely, either Dimmu Borgir or Cradle of Filth. Just like nobody starts listening to extreme metal through Venom, even though chronologically, that would make the most sense. People get introduced to styles of metal through bands that are the most accessible; most metal fans will be introduced to screamed/growled vocals through metalcore or Nu Metal (or possibly Amon Amarth), long before they discover the creators of the vocal style.
Of course, there are exceptions...
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2012-03-11, 04:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
Well, firstly, I said it was stereotypical, not bad.
Secondly, saying that about Mayhem and Immortal followed by what you said about about Dimmu Borgir and Alcest makes you sound like a bit of a hypocrite. Just sayin'.
Thirdly, That post was meant to be humorous, not serious.
Kinda. Also because it's the kind of sound most people associate with Black Metal and understand to be Black Metal.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the 90's Norwegian stuff. Mayhem had a few songs I liked though.
True. But it is the first Black Metal sound 90% of people hear of first and understand to be Black Metal (at least from what I've seen). Which is why so many Metalheads I speak to are put off by Black Metal very quickly, including myself at first. After a few years, I listened to some more Mayhem and found a couple of songs that I liked and got into a couple of the more "mainstream" BM bands. Over all though, I didn't like BM for a very long time. Sienbenburgen and Mirzedah were the bands who got me in to the genre more heavily. After a while I discovered the atmospheric and progressive stuff. Then I started listening to Depressive Black Metal and got into the more Avant Garde side of the genre, that's about when I got in to the Post-Black metal sound and the Shoegazy stuff.Last edited by Nameless; 2012-03-11 at 04:34 AM.
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2012-03-11, 04:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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I started my path into DM with motor head and venom :P,
those are actually bands my dad really digs (he's into early 80s metal) so he got me into them and slowly as i looked for something more brutal i got into some of the melodeath and viking gods
i think it makes more sense to start at the beginning in a general sense though. For example Death is not really as heavy as Revocation. So it would make more sense for me if somebody got into Death first and then Revocation. Venom, is a lot easier to get into than Mayhem because Venom is nowhere near as heavy! i dig what you said about metalcore and nu metal though and i do think some people do get into metal thataway.
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2012-03-11, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-11, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Killswitch Engage almost turned me off of harsh vocals forever. I first heard their
coverbutchering of "Holy Diver" just a few months after Dio died and was not amused. Fortunately I got into Dream Theater later that summer when I found out they were opening for Maiden, which led to me discovering and enjoying Opeth. Still, even though I really liked the growls, I was enjoying Opeth more as a Prog Metal fan than a DM fan. It was hearing Death's cover of "Painkiller," and subsequently youtubing through the rest of The Sound of Perseverance that really got me into DM.
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2012-03-11, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
My first black metal band was Emperor! Anthems, specifically. Not very fond of that album now, but everything before it is still pretty fantastic to me. It took me a while to *get* BM though. Like, all I listened to was Emperor and Naglfar, and then somewhere along the line I found myself listening to LLN demos and Peste Noire, and the rest is herstory. :B
Also, the exceptions are often people who grew up in the 80s and 90s. :B
I thought you meant "stereotypical" in a bad way. Mah bahd.
How is that hypocritical though? I think Mayhem/Immortal are/were good and Demon Burger and Alcest aren't. :B Well, Le Secret is pretty great, but his full lengths have each been disappointing for me. Every time it's like half good songs, half bad songs. Also, I'm less frustrated with Alcest and more with this BS "blackgaze" fad. I hate fads. I take everything too seriously grrrr.Wonder Woman (DC Girls in Sweaters Style) Avatar by Astrella.
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2012-03-11, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
The comment about the Alcest and the everyone jumping the bandwagon makes you sound like a bit of a hypocrite because you could say the exact same thing about all the Norwegian stuff and the Black Metal you listen to. You say you hate "fads", but all that stuff is just as much of a "fad" as this Blackgaze business.
There was a reason the the Dimmu Borgir part of my comment... I just can't... remember... what...
Sorry, I nitpick the crap out of hypocrisy, it's something left over my my teen angst years.
Also, have you listened to Alcest's new album by any chance? It's his best work yet in my opinion, even better then Le Secret. Nice blend of dreamy dream and screamy scream.Last edited by Nameless; 2012-03-11 at 12:26 PM.
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2012-03-11, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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i forgot to mention that i also got into DM doing unsigned reviews of bands for my blog, really two guys is what turned me into a Hard(er)core metalhead
from there i started to develop an appreciation of screams...
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2012-03-11, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
Exactly the same for me. I listened to Anthems and Naglfar's Pariah for the longest time before actually getting into BM. Also Impaled Nazarene, specifically Pro Patria Finlandia.
It wasn't until I listened to Transylvanian Hunger and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss that I really started understanding what Black Metal was, and it was all uphill from there.
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2012-03-11, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Black metal wasn't a fad in the beginning, and has never been, on the whole, as a genre, a fad. Sure there are faddy bands, or bands that try really hard to immitate a specific sound, which is where a lot of "industrial" or "avant-garde" BM comes from, but black metal isn't. It's beginnings were incredibly diverse. Listen to first wave bands like Bathory and Sarcófago, and then the early to mid 90s work of bands like Mayhem, Darkthrone, Ildjarn, Burzum, Beherit, Sigh, Mutiilation, Black Funeral or Havohej. Sure, all those bands are black metal, but from the start it was a very (I'd dare say) individualistic and avant-garde genre of music, that has since both proliferated and stayed solid. You still have bands like Sargeist, who play a more traditional black metal sound, and also bands like Deathspell Omega, that have pushed the envelope of the genre much more. You have small labels that specialize in black metal and will release tapes and vinyl and CDrs with crappy and cheap inserts despite how completely unprofitable that is, and you have fans who will buy that stuff. Canadian black metal fans will mail well hidden cash to Polish distros to get a cassette mailed to them. That's the thing about cult genres, they have a specific sound that remains present over time despite expansions within the genre, and a very dedicated fan and artist base that will operate underground for no reason other than the music. You see it with hardcore punk or extreme industrial as well.
It all comes down to this: black metal, extreme punk, extreme industrial, and other cult genres are going to be alive decades from now. People will still be listening to Discharge and Darkthrone and Whitehouse and Amebix and Throbbing Gristle and Mayhem, and they'll still be making black metal and power electronics and noise and crust punk. In ten years, there's still going to be a black metal tape trade, and people recording black metal with cheap equipment in their basements, while Alcest and the wannabes trying to keep a firm grip on Neige's coat tails are going to be replaced by the Next Big Thing.
Also, I've listened to everything Neige released under Alcest except the remix of Le Secret, the split with Les Discrets and the "Autre Temps" edit. The new Alcest had the same thing for me. The first few songs were great, then it became yawn-inducing, it left my iPod, and I went back to enjoying Burzum. :B
Holy balls. Are you me? Anthems and Pariah were the two albums I listened to. How is Pro Patria Finlandia by the way? It really has a creepy right wing feel, and I got past that with Peste Noire, but I dunno if it's worth the bother for IN because they never seem to be considered seminal.
It wasn't until I listened to Transylvanian Hunger and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss that I really started understanding what Black Metal was, and it was all uphill from there.Wonder Woman (DC Girls in Sweaters Style) Avatar by Astrella.
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2012-03-11, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers
Lets see, my metal timeline...
As Cities Burn (Prog Rock)
Demon Hunter (Metalcore)
Rhapsody of Fire (Symphonic Power Metal)
As Citeis Burn (Post-Hardcore(Same band, different time period))
Crimson Moonlight (Deathened Black Metal)
Symphony X (Symhonic/Prog Power Metal)
Theocracy (Prog Power Metal)
Blind Guardian (Symphonic Power Metal)
Haste the Day (Metalcore)
Fallstar (Metalcore)
Slechtvalk (Symphonic Black Metal)
Holy Blood (Folk Metal)
Seems like a very natural and typical progression to me.Also known as Jarbis
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2012-03-11, 09:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Going through all those bands, that's a very solid list. Mine is less so. It's basically "Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, rinse, repeat". I just can't enjoy any other metal, because it's "unpleasant". I don't know what words to describe, but there's a difference between unpleasant songs, and unpleasant band members. You'd be intimidated to meet a member of a band, for sure, but you'd be less frightened if they didn't wear makeup onstage, didn't defecate onstage, etc. Sure, makeup's a part of the effect, but I don't think anyone can have a conversation with Ozzy Osbourne, and walk away calling it "perfectly normal" and "totally sane". Joey Belladonna might seem quite a bit friendlier.
Oh, and Dave Mustaine is a pretty nice guy, from what I've seen. He's even been on Jeopardy. He knows his Elton John.Steam username is Triscuitable.
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2012-03-11, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I listen to bands' music. I don't hang out with them at the near by coffee shop.
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2012-03-11, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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My point is that I don't like bands that try to be "gritty" and "hardcore", and essentially go way over the top. I tend to stray from a lot of bands, even Slayer, for those reasons.
Besides, I'm allowed to have my own opinions. Besides, I actually saw Mustaine in Seattle before Gigantour. Smiling. What are the odds?Steam username is Triscuitable.
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2012-03-11, 10:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's part of the art. Anyway, when it gets to the point where one of your musical releases is named [/i]Children's Pornography Review Vol. I[/i], you're basically inured to anything that can be thrown at you.
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2012-03-11, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-11, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Roger Ebert is a really perceptive and intelligent movie critic. I find I often agree with his views. Doesn't mean he's perfect, and I think his anti-video-games-as-art argument was at least relatively reasonable.
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2012-03-11, 10:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll think of it as "barely reasonable" when he makes his way to a controller for the first time in his undeath. In the meantime, he's basically beating down a show he doesn't watch.
But this isn't about Ebert, even though I brought up the topic. Back to rants about why I only like a little under 12 bands.Steam username is Triscuitable.
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The thing is, for every band that acts "gritty" and "hardcore" to fit an image, there's another that's just genuinely made up of... uh, for lack of a better word, interesting people. If you put Zombie Seth Putnam, Varg, Steven O'Malley, Matt Pike, and let's say Steve Albini in a room, I think that'd be enough weird in one place to curdle milk.
...I am aware Steve Albini is not metal. I just think the image of him in a room with those guys'd be hilarious.Avatar by Kris on a Stick
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