[3.5] *sigh* Paladin vs Wizard. He started it

[Rankar]

*sigh again* Hello Playground. My friend (who lives in another state) made the declaration that his paladin could beat any of my wizards. I kept telling myself to leave it alone, but he issued a challenge and I accepted.

32 point buy. Level 15. Standard wealth. ALL DnD 3.5 books available and any prestige class you can qualify for.

I ask for help in ideas for building a wizard to decimate a paladin. I've read Logic Ninja's guide and Treantmonk's and almost every other guide there is but would just like to hear suggestions and ways to make this hurt to a silly extent. I'm fine with taking it to utter cheese.

Things I know he'll try to buy: a means to teleport and a means to fly.

Please don't make this into a debate about the classes. Thanks!

[Jack_Simth]

Prepare Ironguard (Spell Compendium). Gives you 15 rounds of "neener neener" in that anything made of metal can't touch you.

Hit him with no-save touch AC effects (Orb line, generally).

[Zale]

Win Initiative.

Dimensional Anchor to kill his teleport, then Forcecage to restrain him.

Then apply whatever blowy-up spells that give saveless ac-less damage until he dies.

[Circle of Life]

Okay.

Incantatrix or Spelldancer. Whatever. Persist as many buffs as you feel are necessary. You can literally achieve godmode here, as in, immune to everything.

Kill him with Magic Missiles. All of them.

[Bovine Colonel]

I'd try Incantatrix. Get the full ten levels. Apply every metamagic reducer you can think of to a Searing Spell'd Orb of Fire.

I recommend Arcane Thesis and Easy Metamagic.

[Ithandor]

Win Initiative.

Dimensional Anchor to kill his teleport, then Forcecage to restrain him.

Then apply whatever blowy-up spells that give saveless ac-less damage until he dies.

Seconded ^

Initiative - at 15th you can cast Moment of Prescience... get Imp Initiative, Hummingbird familiar, Nerveskitter etc. Many tools to do this can be found here. You should easily be able to beat him.

Once you do, Dimensional Anchor and Forcecage using a Belt of Battle or Celerity. Greater Mirror Image should be enough to protect against whatever ranged abilities he's packing, I'd guess.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Prepare Ironguard (Spell Compendium). Gives you 15 rounds of "neener neener" in that anything made of metal can't touch you.

Hit him with no-save touch AC effects (Orb line, generally).

Use Displacement as well.

Edit: Unless he uses the Mageslayer line.

[Circle of Life]

Greater Mirror Image should be enough to protect against whatever ranged abilities he's packing, I'd guess.

Who cares about what kind of abilities he's packing at all, honestly? With just the Wizard spell list you can make yourself immune to physical, elemental, and ability damage with like six spells. Not to mention the dozen or so other defensive buffs you can put up, just in case he tries any mind-affecting business or, you know, whatever. And they'll all be persisted. So really, who cares?

If you're going to give him a funeral, at least let him put on his own show.

[Zale]

Who knows? Maybe the Goddess of One to a Million Chances will smile down upon the Paladin, allowing him to win survive the first turn.

[Flickerdart]

Contingent Celerity, Chained Greater Dispel. Quickened Shatter.

[Zaq]

How many buff rounds are you allowed to have? Are all-day buffs assumed to be up, or do you have to cast those after the whistle blows?

[RedWarrior0]

Disintigrate the floor under him, then Antimagic field on him. Or plane shift him to, say, Baator or the Abyss. Or Save or Dies out the wazoo. Or see if Beholder mage counts as wizard, qualify, and use 9th level spells to taste. Oh, and I forgot about the scroll of Disjunction that you can use.

[Incanur]

Who's DMing this duel? That makes a huge difference. Particularly at higher levels, various tricks depend on adjudication.

[Helldog]

*sigh again* Hello Playground. My friend (who lives in another state) made the declaration that his paladin could beat any of my wizards. I kept telling myself to leave it alone, but he issued a challenge and I accepted.

32 point buy. Level 15. Standard wealth. ALL DnD 3.5 books available and any prestige class you can qualify for.

I ask for help in ideas for building a wizard to decimate a paladin. I've read Logic Ninja's guide and Treantmonk's and almost every other guide there is but would just like to hear suggestions and ways to make this hurt to a silly extent. I'm fine with taking it to utter cheese.

Things I know he'll try to buy: a means to teleport and a means to fly.

Please don't make this into a debate about the classes. Thanks!

If you're asking us for help, it won't really be "your Wizard", don't you think? I'd call that cheating.

[Octopus Jack]

Make your Wizard lawful good, load up on protection spells. Make no aggressive actions until he starts attacking you. Let him fall for attacking a non-hostile, non-criminal, good bystander...Then kill him.

[Incanur]

Make your Wizard lawful good, load up on protection spells. Make no aggressive actions until he starts attacking you. Let him fall for attacking a non-hostile, non-criminal, good bystander...Then kill him.

Then he rolls in with a paladin of slaughter who also happened to take the full mage slayer line.

[Flickerdart]

Then he rolls in with a paladin of slaughter who also happened to take the full mage slayer line.

Good thing you were an Astral Projection created by your bound Nightmare. Otherwise, things could've gotten ugly, potentially, maybe, possibly a little.

[SowZ]

If you're asking us for help, it won't really be "your Wizard", don't you think? I'd call that cheating.

Agreed. So far, you've been given some advice on pretty common tactics. A little questionable, but whatever. He claimed he could beat one of your wizards. Maybe he can. But he won't be able to beat the playgrounds wizard.

[OverdrivePrime]

Honestly, is anything needed beyond a straight-up Wizard 15 here?

[Greenish]

Honestly, is anything needed beyond a straight-up Wizard 15 here?

Better safe than sorry.

[Zale]

Honestly, is anything needed beyond a straight-up Wizard 15 here?

That may be a better idea, so the other player can't say the prestige classes were what allowed the OP to win..

[Coidzor]

Especially not the one with a level One Million Monk encased forever in a block of ice-like-substancefrozen in carbonite, alive and aware but unable to act, trapped for all eternity, in his study.

Wait, was that a level one million monk or just a level one thousand one?

Eh, doesn't matter, tactic is the same.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Be Neutral Neutral.

The Paladin player now has no means of smiting you, no matter which variant he chooses.

Not that it matters, since Smite Evil is kinda pathetic anyway.

Anticipate Teleportation is a good 24-hour prebuff that allows you to delay someone from teleporting in for one round. When he teleports in, you are made aware that you need to ready an action to cast Forcecage (or Dimensional Anchor) upon his arrival, and let a contingency to be activated upon arrival cast the other. (Celerity also works for this.) On his initiative, you will have trapped him in an impenetrable cage on this plane of existence before he got so much as a swift action.

Then, Sonic Snap him to death.

Just for good measure, do so while riding a Phantom Steed. At level 15, it'll put his special Mount to shame.

EDIT: For this, it helps to be a Conjurer, so you get Abrupt Jaunt to make an immediate action 10-foot step in case he tries to teleport right into melee range, for whatever reason.

[Greenish]

Especially not the one with a level One Million Monk encased forever in a block of ice-like-substancefrozen in carbonite, alive and aware but unable to act, trapped for all eternity, in his study.

Wait, was that a level one million monk or just a level one thousand one?

Eh, doesn't matter, tactic is the same.

I'm pretty sure a level 1000 monk could smash any non-epic, non-pun-pun wizard under the heel of it's WBL.

[Coidzor]

I'm pretty sure a level 1000 monk could smash any non-epic, non-pun-pun wizard under the heel of it's WBL.

Ok, ok, so I didn't mention the whole thing, but you really need to read through that thread if you missed it.

[GoodbyeSoberDay]

I concur with going Wizard 15. You don't need Incantatrix to do Orb stuff; it just helps. If you have Arcane Thesis, an invisible searing twinned orb of fire is a 7th level slot. Remember, Quickened True Strike is only a 5th level spell slot. Greater Anticipate Teleportation is your friend.

Alternatively, if you do go incantatrix, you could drive the point home by gishing it up and beating him at his own game. Persist spells like Wraithstrike, Draconic Polymorph, Superior Invisibility, (ocular) Ironguard, Bite of the Werebear, etc.

[Curious]

I'm pretty sure a level 1000 monk could smash any non-epic, non-pun-pun wizard under the heel of it's WBL.

Rules of the thread were that the monk had 20th level WBL.

EDIT: Also, like Coidzor said, the actual level of the monk was irrelevant to the combos being discussed in that thread. He could have been level 1 trillion and it still would have worked the same.

[Tvtyrant]

Play as a shadowcaster/Shadowcrafter. This will let you make 140% real illusions from any slot. Then summon grapplers to hold him while you sit back and blast.

[Greenish]

Rules of the thread were that the monk had 20th level WBL.

EDIT: Also, like Coidzor said, the actual level of the monk was irrelevant to the combos being discussed in that thread. He could have been level 1 trillion and it still would have worked the same.

Can you toss me the link? I'd have thought The Cube, for example, could cause a wizard some trouble.

[Coidzor]

Can you toss me the link? I'd have thought The Cube, for example, could cause a wizard some trouble.

This should be it, or one very much like it, sorry.