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    ElfWarriorGuy

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    Default A Three villian team up!

    Well I've decided to pester my group with a three villian ambush! But I'm going to need some help with them so lets get started. Basically what I need is suggestions for feats, and equipment besides their weapons I want to make these guys nasty and fun their going up against five level 10 characters fighter (Tank), ranger(Damage), druid(Wild Shape), cleric(Healing), and sorcerer (Nuke). Each one of the pc's have been optimized to do certain things really well.

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    Paladin of Tyranny 10/Marshal 5
    Gender: Male
    Race: Human
    Age: 30
    HP: 270
    Str:16 (3)
    Dex:14 (2)
    Con:22 (6)
    Int:14 (2)
    Wis:18 (4)
    Cha:20 (5)
    Weapon: Purple Wurm Queen/Medium +3 Long Sword/When a command phrase is spoken the blade is automatically covered in Purple Wurm Poison.

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    Paladin of Tyranny 10/Blackguard 5
    Gender: Male
    Race: Human
    Age: 20
    Hp: 225
    Str: 22 (6)
    Dex: 14 (2)
    Con: 20 (5)
    Int: 14 (2)
    Wis:16 (3)
    Cha:18 (4)
    Weapon: Wyvern Fang/Medium +3 Greatsword/When a command phrase is spoken the blade is automatically covered in Wyvern Poison.

    Third:
    Hexblade 10/Paladin of Tyranny 5
    Gender: Female
    Race: Human
    Age: 20
    HP: 210
    Str: 18 (4)
    Dex: 16 (3)
    Con:18 (4)
    Int: 14 (2)
    Wis: 14 (2)
    Cha: 26 (8)
    Weapon: Deathblade/Medium +3 Scimitar/When a command phrase is spoken the blade is automatically covered in Deathblade Poison.

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    Chimera

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Ugh! What's with all the paladin levels? What exactly is their area of expertise again?
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    I can never understand WOTC's reasoning; taking RAW as a whole is like grabbing a book filled with fortune cookie sayings and basing your life off of them.
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    ElfWarriorGuy

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Runestar View Post
    Ugh! What's with all the paladin levels? What exactly is their area of expertise again?
    Basically mess with saves and use poisoned weapons, minor spells, and buffs from the marshal levels plus paladin of tyranny and blackguard have synergy. The idea for these guys though is their commanders in an army unit.

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    The thing about those builds is that one character of 5 levels lower (Hexblade 4/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Blackguard 3 with Master of Poisons and a bucket of poison) does their entire thing by himself. To this one guy I would add a straight Crusader and a Paladin of Tyranny 4/Fighter 2/Crusader 1/Divine Crusader 7 - the Crusader should slap them around with maneuvers that have saving throws, and the Divine Crusader should do the same using his spellcasting.
    Quote Originally Posted by A_Moon View Post
    How many times, when the Fighter says "I draw my sword", did you just want to smack that cheating-optimizer in the face and say "No! You don't draw your sword! You draw Orcus!". When the Cleric says "I run away from Orcus!": "No! You run into Orcus! Rogue tries to hide? He hides behind Orcus! The bard in a tavern on the other side the town tries to order a drink? How about a nice frothy mug of Orcus?
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    Perhaps this will sate Flickerdart's endless hunger for assassinations.

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    Chimera

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Are you open to the idea of using monsters as npcs? One build I have in mind is a medusa hexblade6 (cr10 using non-associated rules). She can debuff with curses, petrify the party, makes a decent archer and has a racial cha bonus.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    I can never understand WOTC's reasoning; taking RAW as a whole is like grabbing a book filled with fortune cookie sayings and basing your life off of them.
    My humble efforts at re-cr'ing MM2
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    Griffon

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Name them Jason, Fred, and Michael.

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    SwashbucklerGuy

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Cleric and Druid can take care of poison reeeaaallly easily. If they know what's coming, they can cast Delay Poison, a measly 2nd level spell, on the whole party every day and not worry about it until they can prepare Neutralize Poison the next day.

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    In that case, be sure to slap some dispelling capability on your guys. Dispelling in general is a good idea when facing Clerics and Druids.
    Quote Originally Posted by A_Moon View Post
    How many times, when the Fighter says "I draw my sword", did you just want to smack that cheating-optimizer in the face and say "No! You don't draw your sword! You draw Orcus!". When the Cleric says "I run away from Orcus!": "No! You run into Orcus! Rogue tries to hide? He hides behind Orcus! The bard in a tavern on the other side the town tries to order a drink? How about a nice frothy mug of Orcus?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guancyto View Post
    Perhaps this will sate Flickerdart's endless hunger for assassinations.

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    Planetar

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Throw in an evil cleric in there instead of one of the paladins full plate good melee and full caster levels just even the fields a little

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    SwashbucklerGuy

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    Default Re: A Three villian team up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    In that case, be sure to slap some dispelling capability on your guys. Dispelling in general is a good idea when facing Clerics and Druids.
    Sure, I guess. But that wastes one or more combat actions from the bad guys to remove a previously-cast buff of a lower spell level. Some kind of dispelling screen might work.

    In general, a more diverse trio of villains might be more challenging. You don't have to have evil paladins as your evil commanders. You can just put an evil sorcerer or a shapeshifting monster in a uniform and tell your players he's an evil paladin commander. It might surprise them if they're expecting to face something different.

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