Getting the most out of Fusion!

[Tvtyrant]

Fusion is a power from the Egoist list that allows you and another person to effectively become a gestalt character, but better. Your HP is the combined HP of the two (an improvement!) but everything else is just like gestalt.

The best trick I know of so far is to use Psychofeedback to raise your Con or Strength sky high, then use fusion to regain your normal set levels (or better) so that you have abusively high stats.

The other one I have been thinking about is using Leadership to get a melee cohort, which gives you melee stats when fused. Or get a Telepath Psion to cast Schism, getting you extra casting at a level equal to the cohorts on top of the combination.

What are the best tricks the playground knows for Fusion?

[motoko's ghost]

I had the BBEGs use this, one was a thrallherd and the other was wiz/ur-priest/Mystic theurge, do when they fused they had access to just about every ability in the game.
Not game-breaking but sorta neat.

[Flickerdart]

The XP cost is a bit of an issue, so any Fusion you do should last as long as possible. You should also keep in mind that two unfused characters have twice as many actions, and so are actually better, unless they're build right.

[Tvtyrant]

I don't think 50 XP is really a problem at level 15. You might not want to use it constantly without some way to make is persisted/permanent, but such is life.

[candycorn]

The XP cost is a bit of an issue, so any Fusion you do should last as long as possible. You should also keep in mind that two unfused characters have twice as many actions, and so are actually better, unless they're build right.

Example of "built right": Wizard and Psion (psion extra actions fuels wizard abilities)

[Psyren]

Fusion is a power from the Egoist list that allows you and another person to effectively become a gestalt character, but better. Your HP is the combined HP of the two (an improvement!) but everything else is just like gestalt.

Actually, you also combine feats and racial abilities - another improvement over gestalt.

The best trick I know of so far is to use Psychofeedback to raise your Con or Strength sky high, then use fusion to regain your normal set levels (or better) so that you have abusively high stats.

You can also Body Fuel yourself for more ammunition in a pinch, and ignore the burned ability scores by using those of your partner. You'll both likely be in trouble when the Fusion ends though.

Another trick is merely to keep casting fusion. Why be a gestalt when you can be a tristalt? Get some sneak attack, vestiges, even maneuvers or incarnum into your build.

[motoko's ghost]

Cant cast fusion again while under the effects of fusion, it actually mentions it in the text, I think

[Psyren]

Cant cast fusion again while under the effects of fusion, it actually mentions it in the text, I think

No, it only says that you can't use Fission (and you wouldn't want to anyway.)

Fusion

[motoko's ghost]

Why am I suddenly getting the mental image of someone using persist and abusing the hell out of this?


By your powers combined, I am Captain Make the DM Cry!

[The Winter King]

Multime ultimate fusion

[Fusion+incantrix metamagic effect(persistent spell)]times X. Then simulacrums or Ice Assasins of fused self. Needs third party that isnt fused.

Fuse with a wujen and persist Body Outside Body. Be sure to have CL boosters and be fused with good warrior types(good as in skilled not the alignment). I like fusions to make Emerald Legionaires cheap. Wujen also gives you giant size so that you may fuse with any creature. Mindrape your Ice Assasin/Simulacrums. Be sure to pick up immunity to nonlethal, Regeneration, Poison Immunity(specifically Trollbane), Ability score immunity, Mind affecting immunity, death immunity, and super saves, and as many feats as you can.
Use Psychic chirurgry on them to repick all their feats. Also movement modes.

This spell is reallyabuseable.

[Salanmander]

I just had the mental image of a BBEG using this to nom up people with powers he wants, Sylar style. I might need to do that at some point...

[motoko's ghost]

I just had the mental image of a BBEG using this to nom up people with powers he wants, Sylar style. I might need to do that at some point...

but fusion also carries over the minds, would they be absorbed/destroyed, if they are wouldnt their cumulative personalities overwhelm his own(either causing him to stop or go completely mad)/how would he know how to use his newfound powers. If he suppresses them could they form a gestalt and overtake his personality long enough to temporarily weaken him so the PCs can defeat him (ala savage tide adventure arc)

[Flickerdart]

Why am I suddenly getting the mental image of someone using persist and abusing the hell out of this?


By your powers combined, I am Captain Make the DM Cry!

Psionics doesn't have Persist.

[Tvtyrant]

Psionics doesn't have Persist.

But it is minutes a day, and easily extended. 40 minutes is plenty IMO.

[Psyren]

Psionics doesn't have Persist.

Not without Hyperconscious anyway

(Or if using pure WotC - you could abuse a PP recharge trick of some kind, and keep it going with multiple Temporal Reiterations.)

but fusion also carries over the minds, would they be absorbed/destroyed, if they are wouldnt their cumulative personalities overwhelm his own(either causing him to stop or go completely mad)/how would he know how to use his newfound powers. If he suppresses them could they form a gestalt and overtake his personality long enough to temporarily weaken him so the PCs can defeat him (ala savage tide adventure arc)

The manifester has control by default. This reads to me that he would have access to their knowledge (which he'd need to use their powers), but the component minds would have no ability to override his wishes.

[Tvtyrant]

Also it has to be a willing person. The cool part would be using it with Psychofeedback over and over again to get all of your physical stats into the 30s.

Also, Fusion with a Telepath could get you Schism and combine it with Metamorphosis (form of a Choker) to get 3 standard actions a turn.

[Anxe]

This multifusing is reminding me of Paul Muad'dib from Dune for some reason.

EDIT: Fusion with an Ettin gets you two heads. No RAW benefit, but you might be able to convince your DM that it gives you extra casting actions.

[Flickerdart]

EDIT: Fusion with an Ettin gets you two heads. No RAW benefit, but you might be able to convince your DM that it gives you extra casting actions.

It does - there's a feat in Savage Species that lets multi-headed characters cast extra spells.

[Psyren]

Also it has to be a willing person.

Sylar knocks out his victims anyway, so it's still accurate in that respect.

Also, Fusion with a Telepath could get you Schism and combine it with Metamorphosis (form of a Choker) to get 3 standard actions a turn.

Not to mention Twinned/Quickened Synchronicity, Temporal Acceleration etc.

One thing you won't be short on are PP, so you may as well translate it into as many actions as possible.

[motoko's ghost]

Psionics doesn't have Persist.

Actually it does, its just not in the XPH

[SaintRidley]

This multifusing is reminding me of Paul Muad'dib from Dune for some reason.

EDIT: Fusion with an Ettin gets you two heads. No RAW benefit, but you might be able to convince your DM that it gives you extra casting actions.

It's making me think more of Alpha and Echo from Dollhouse, actually.


On the Ettin, don't they get some ability based on their two-headedness? You should get that as well.