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2011-12-14, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
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2011-12-14, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Oh yes.
Interesting that Nale missed the why of how bards are underpowered in this universe...Last edited by Guancyto; 2011-12-14 at 12:44 PM.
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2011-12-14, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Nice strip! The last panel was pretty funny. I do wonder who killed Tarquin's wife. Also, I really want Malack to kill Nale...
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2011-12-14, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
This calls for it!
Well, the Order of the Stick certainly have their work cut out for them now.
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2011-12-14, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
So we're transitioning from referencing Star Wars to Indiana Jones now, are we?
Tarquin is right. And more often than not, the antagonists end up somehow dodging all the obstacles that the protagonists had to deal with. It's as though death traps give villains a pass.Last edited by Giggling Ghast; 2011-12-14 at 12:46 PM.
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2011-12-14, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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"And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2011-12-14, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
It turns out neither Tarquin or Nale killed Penelope. My bet is on one of the other members of the Linear Guild.
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2011-12-14, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hah, so we know how that other party failed against Tarquin. And why Nale chose his classes. I find it interesting that he may have been a bard had he not misunderstood.
Also, I'm feeling really sorry for Malack
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2011-12-14, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm digging the update schedule here.
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2011-12-14, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-14, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Brilliant :)
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2011-12-14, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
I don't know why, but Malack's timely interruption made me suspect him of having killed Penelope EDIT: Less random idea: or maybe the frowning lizardman ambassador from here did it.
Anyway, it's interesting how Tarquin sees the potential of bards... May he be a bard himself (one that does not abide by following the narrative conventions unless they favour him)?
And I'm loving how the last few comics were released while I was onlineLast edited by Roland Itiative; 2011-12-14 at 12:58 PM.
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2011-12-14, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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"And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2011-12-14, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of all the reasons why Tarquin would consider bards underpowered, not ruling the cosmos through their understanding of narrative causality wasn't one I had considered. Given Tarquin's successes to date, he definitely has a point.
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2011-12-14, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Makes you wonder what Roy could have been, had he chosen to be a bard instead of a fighter.
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2011-12-14, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2011-12-14, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Wait a second. How does Nale know about the ritual?
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2011-12-14, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by ThePhantasm; 2011-12-14 at 01:06 PM.
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2011-12-14, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
I suspect Sabine of having killed Penelope due to her reaction when she popped in. It could be about the ritual, but something about it just implies to me that she's got a lot more going on in the background than what she lets on.
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2011-12-14, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-14, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Tarquin is falling for Nale's stall tactics far too easily. Redcloak and Xykon aren't going to give Nale the ritual, and we know that only Redcloak knows the truth about the ritual. Someone as impressively genre-savvy as Tarquin shouldn't fall for Nale's half truths. Nor is Tarquin likely to be blinded by lust for power.
And mark me down as one of those who is suspicious of Malack's role. He's not angry enough, and raises Nale's death at odd times in the narrative.
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2011-12-14, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-14, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Of all the reasons why Tarquin would consider bards underpowered, not ruling the cosmos through their understanding of narrative causality wasn't one I had considered. Given Tarquin's successes to date, he definitely has a point.
A good narrative is the one which has no problem averting any tropes. For example, in strip #663
Has anyone noted, now that Team Nale is working for Team Tarquin, they are a classic team themselves? The Durkon vs Malack is coming....""Jeez, this dress! i look like a dominatrix""
(self-loathing): ""Actually , you look like a sorceress or something""
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2011-12-14, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
That seems like an unusual thing for Tarquin to do. He should know that playing with cosmic powers goes badly.
Also, how is penelope an old woman now but not in Tarquin's flashback? And Both times Tarquin is still same age I think we found a real plot hole.
And who killed penelope?Last edited by Sunken Valley; 2011-12-14 at 01:08 PM.
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2011-12-14, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
There haven't been ANY Star Wars references since that one strip. This isn't The Order of the "let's constantly reference and follow the plots of other stories". The only reason people have been finding references is because at it's core, Star Wars is a very simple, common hero's tale, and shares many traits with a lot of stories.
Because he was working for Xykon originally in Dorukon's dungeon. Also, because the Order and the Sapphire guard both know why Xykon wants a gate. They just don't know Redcloak's real plan.
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2011-12-14, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-14, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Nale already suspected Xykon had found a way of controlling the gates. And Sabine went to her superiors on the IFCC right after learning about the gates herself. It's probable that they, knowing more about Xykon's plans through scrying on V, gave some of that info to the Linear Guild.
Also, the same comic strip linked above indicates that while he was working under Xykon in the dungeon of Dorukan, Nale knew next to nothing about his real plans.Last edited by Roland Itiative; 2011-12-14 at 01:11 PM.
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2011-12-14, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Great strip. Panels like the last are why OOTS is so amazing. And I like how Tarquin finds both of his sons' girlfriends hot.
As for Penelope's killer, Sabine or Qarr not wanting anyone else to get involved seems likely, though I wouldn't rule out a Draketooth or someone new.
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2011-12-14, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
Fantastic strip. Of course, it turns out that Tarquin thinks bards are underpowered because they are lazy...I wonder now if he isn't a bard himself.....love that last joke too.
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2011-12-14, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #821 - The Discussion Thread
That seems like an unusual thing for Tarquin to do. He should know that playing with cosmic powers goes badly.""Jeez, this dress! i look like a dominatrix""
(self-loathing): ""Actually , you look like a sorceress or something""
""Hey, no need to get cruel""