Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable

[Killer Angel]

I have never, ever, in my entire life seen someone take off multiple weeks in order to move. Maybe a day. Maybe. If I were your boss and you told me you needed multiple weeks off of work in order to move, I would laugh in your face.

This doens't absolutely diminish the fact that to pack your things, unpackagin them and place it in your new house, requires a lot of free time, and it's not a thing that can be succesfully done in a couple of hours.
You need to spend your evenings and your weekends, during the course of some weeks.

[Shivore]

Ok... I'm a graphic designer, not exactly a comic artist. I'm not even that great at drawing but I do know how to use the software to ink and shade and layout, etc... and I've taken several drawing classes and have a good idea how that works too so I think I can make a good guess how long it should take.

For a page like the most recent "real" update (as opposed to the stick figure filler) I would estimate it accordingly:

Drawing/Sketching: 10+ hours. (I'm including layout planning for speech and such in this)

Inking: 6 hours (at least)

Coloring/Shading: 10 hours.

I think 40 hours is a bit much, but I wouldn't bat an eye at 30 (my estimates add up to 26 but could easily give or take a bit). Even 30 per comic means 60 hours a week... can't call that being lazy. And that's not even including story planning/story-boarding, that's just actual production time.

People just don't appreciate how much work goes into all the artwork they see every day.

[FatJose]

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Yuuuup! That's pretty much on point.

[Ialdabaoth]

Go to work tomorrow and spend all day on one minor, trivial task. Ignore the rest of your responsibilities for the day, but make sure that one task is absolutely "perfect". Then ask your boss what he thinks about your work.

One of the more disgusting ideas to grow out of modern culture is the notion that one's boss is a better judge of one's work ethic than one's own self.

[Anteros]

Yea and i have to laugh every single time someone decides that defending someone they respect from inane and misplaced criticism means I'm a hopeless fanboy about to bust out the torches and pitchforks then start busting the castle doors down.

Except all that I actually said was that it's a poor repayment to the people who donated in order to help him get the house to miss updates as a result. I'm not the one who brought up work ethic or anything else. I was responding to other's points. Also, I didn't accuse you of any such thing.

One of the more disgusting ideas to grow out of modern culture is the notion that one's boss is a better judge of one's work ethic than one's own self.

That...that isn't a modern thing. Like, at all. It's as old as work itself.

[Occasional Sage]

... You mean, like every other artist that takes him/herself even remotely seriously?

If by "artist" you mean "person who does something."

[Dragonus45]

Except all that I actually said was that it's a poor repayment to the people who donated in order to help him get the house to miss updates as a result. I'm not the one who brought up work ethic or anything else. I was responding to other's points. Also, I didn't accuse you of any such thing.



That...that isn't a modern thing. Like, at all. It's as old as work itself.

As someone who donated i don't call it poor repayment. I call it exactly what i paid for.

And i agree with the boss thing, that's how it works. Your boss IS a better judge of your work ethic than you are.

[Marnath]

Except all that I actually said was that it's a poor repayment to the people who donated in order to help him get the house to miss updates as a result. I'm not the one who brought up work ethic or anything else. I was responding to other's points. Also, I didn't accuse you of any such thing.

Yes, that is exactly what you accused us of, actually. Also, you are the one who brought it up.

[teratorn]

Can we please avoid the expression «work ethics»? It reeks of religion and was at a time used to justify some sense of moral superiority of a group of people. It makes my teeth cringe whenever I hear it.

If Thunt can get a decent living from his work then he is doing the amount of work he needs.

[Sholos]

Can we please avoid the expression «work ethics»? It reeks of religion and was at a time used to justify some sense of moral superiority of a group of people. It makes my teeth cringe whenever I hear it.

If Thunt can get a decent living from his work then he is doing the amount of work he needs.

How in the world does "work ethic" have anything to do with religion? Work ethic is your willingness to keep doing work and not slack off and your determination that it be done with quality. And, yeah, there tends to be a certain ethical superiority to those who have a stronger work ethic.

I don't think anyone can say Thunt has a poor work ethic. He's dedicated to producing quality work and it doesn't look like he's going to quit easily. I think what most people are saying is that he might not be very efficient. That's an entirely separate issue.

[Maryring]

As someone who donated i don't call it poor repayment. I call it exactly what i paid for.

And i agree with the boss thing, that's how it works. Your boss IS a better judge of your work ethic than you are.

Wait, what? The donation deal was that he was given money, and then he would give comics of Tempts doing crazy stuff. He had a timeline, which he has utterly and completely failed to meet. How is that "exactly what you paid for"? If it was a donation, then that's fine, but then you didn't pay for anything. So yeah... are you sure you want to say that you donated for the purpose of Thunt having to miss updates due to moving?

Missing updates on the general comic is a red herring anyway. It's something you just have to suck up. He has to move, and moving takes time and effort. And since he spends so much time on the comics, he's forced to cut into comic-making time. The discussion itself is pointless.

[Dragonus45]

Wait, what? The donation deal was that he was given money, and then he would give comics of Tempts doing crazy stuff. He had a timeline, which he has utterly and completely failed to meet. How is that "exactly what you paid for"? If it was a donation, then that's fine, but then you didn't pay for anything. So yeah... are you sure you want to say that you donated for the purpose of Thunt having to miss updates due to moving

Dude exactly what i paid for is an expression. You see i donated cuss i wanted Thunt to have a home, and for him and his family to feel secure. Along the way he lost the house he was in, and the need to move arose. Anyone who heard he was moving should have known he would lose time and miss and update or two along the way. He is getting a home, and he and his family do now feel more secure. That's what i sent the money for and that's what i got.

[LoneStarNorth]

Wait, what? The donation deal was that he was given money, and then he would give comics of Tempts doing crazy stuff. He had a timeline, which he has utterly and completely failed to meet.

The timeline that gets posted to go along with a Tempts Fate drive indicates when the monetary goals must be met in order for Tempts to succeed/survive. They have no bearing on when the Tempts updates will be posted and they never have. Yeah, the updates have been a looooong time coming, but they're not actually late

[The Linker]

Exactly. He never stated a timeline. He has not missed any due dates for Tempts Fate because he never set them.

[Anteros]

I'm bowing out of this discussion. It has the potential to get ugly.

Aaaanyway. Interesting update, I guess.

[t209]

I wonder what will Kin do after she call his "Rumpelstiltskin" name.

[Traab]

I wonder what will Kin do after she call his "Rumpelstiltskin" name.

Itll switch back to dies horribly. For another 6 months.

[Brother Oni]

Not getting the last panel with K'seliss and the egg. Is it female anatomy based?

[Anteros]

Not getting the last panel with K'seliss and the egg. Is it female anatomy based?

It's male anatomy based. Can't really explain here due to forum rules.

[Douglas]

Not getting the last panel with K'seliss and the egg. Is it female anatomy based?

No, it is most definitely male anatomy based.

[The Glyphstone]

...huh. I thought it was the way K'seliss's fingernail apparently bends up when he's touching the ribbon, totally didn't see that....mistake.

[Seerow]

...huh. I thought it was the way K'seliss's fingernail apparently bends up when he's touching the ribbon, totally didn't see that....mistake.

Really, how would the "well placed" word baloon have affected his fingernail?


Also, what has been seen cannot be unseen.

[The Glyphstone]

Really, how would the "well placed" word baloon have affected his fingernail?


Also, what has been seen cannot be unseen.

I thought the word balloon had also been moved to...i dunno, cover the mistake while he fixed it?

Don't judge me!

[Mephit]

At first I thought it really wasn't that obvious too, but you need to imagine it coloured. The ribbon at the top is spot on, really.

[Hazzardevil]

I really can't see what everyone else is talking about, but I can see something female anatomy based about what lizard man is doing.

[Douglas]

I really can't see what everyone else is talking about, but I can see something female anatomy based about what lizard man is doing.

Note the section that's filled with red in the color version of the panel, including the part covered by Saves' word balloon and on the other side of that word balloon. Now look at that same section in the black and white panel, ignore K'seliss' hand, and "complete" the outline by flipping the top portion over the long diagonal center line of the whole section.

If you can't see it after that, you clearly have a far less dirty mind than most.

[Gez]

I really can't see what everyone else is talking about, but I can see something female anatomy based about what lizard man is doing.

I guess one could see Kselliss touching a giant pregnant woman's round belly, but no, if you add in the coloring...

Well, here's a mushroom. It might help you see it.

[lord_khaine]

I honestly cant see anything that looks like that mushroom in the picture, and it wasnt before comming here that i were even aware off that i should be looking for a mushroom.

[FatJose]

The only thing wrong there is his fingernail. Who would really see a penis there? Especially after being colored?

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

Ok, when you LITERALLY have to turn your head sideways and squint to see it...