Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable

[Doran]

I think he means that suceeding on your save means your character is moving so she does not catch the worst of it or already is in such a place.

[Qwertystop]

Ummm what? In every game i've played you usually get a reflex save to halve your damage for an AOE attack, regardless of where you are standing. i'm saying that if it were real life, it would be impossible for you to take less damage standing in the middle of the piller (sucseeding reflex save) then the guy at the edge of the piller (who failed reflex save)

Correct. I believe his example was assuming that the entire pillar of fire has only a 5-foot radius, so the reflex save would represent moving to the edge of the pillar (still in one square).

[ChowGuy]

Wait, what? You're arguing about whether or not someone could dodge a magically summoned tower of flame "in the real world"?? That's like saying that pick-pocket A couldn't have made with character B's purse of 5000 gold pieces because "in the real world" 5000 gp would weigh in at over 150 kilos(*) and character B would have noticed the loss. It's the DM's call, so just aCcept it and move on.



(*) Based on coins of one troy ounce (31g) each, eg full Kruggerand, Canadian Maple, or US Gold Eagle. Fractional gold coins weigh leass but are of course fractional, so must also count for less when totally the value of the purloined purse.

[The Glyphstone]

Gold pieces are very unlikely to be made of pure gold - you know that, right? It's way too soft to hold any sort of mark, stamp, or even a solid shape for very long under the beating adventurers put their money through. So even 1GP is probably half or less Au by weight.

[Lord Raziere]

Oh you silly people. DnD isn't made of atoms.

Its made of EXP. Everything in it is. The EXP is just in different forms. The "Gold" you speak of has completely different properties from Atom-Gold. EXP-Gold obviously has all the necessary properties to be valuable money of course.

[Draconi Redfir]

Wait, what? You're arguing about whether or not someone could dodge a magically summoned tower of flame "in the real world"?? That's like saying that pick-pocket A couldn't have made with character B's purse of 5000 gold pieces because "in the real world" 5000 gp would weigh in at over 150 kilos(*) and character B would have noticed the loss. It's the DM's call, so just aCcept it and move on.



(*) Based on coins of one troy ounce (31g) each, eg full Kruggerand, Canadian Maple, or US Gold Eagle. Fractional gold coins weigh leass but are of course fractional, so must also count for less when totally the value of the purloined purse.

i dont think i ever used the word magic. But if somehow, for some reason, i was caught in the middle of a piller of flame thirty feet wide and you were caught just on the edge of it, it would be impossible for me to take less damage then you, even if i did the equivalent of succeeding a reflex roll and you did not.

[Traab]

i dont think i ever used the word magic. But if somehow, for some reason, i was caught in the middle of a piller of flame thirty feet wide and you were caught just on the edge of it, it would be impossible for me to take less damage then you, even if i did the equivalent of succeeding a reflex roll and you did not.

Isnt a reflex roll basically saying, "You sensed an attack coming and jumped out of the way just in time"? The other version would be, you TRIED to dodge but couldnt make it all the way out of the attack, so its like, you managed to dodge a punch aimed at your throat, but took a glancing hit to your shoulder instead. It did way less damage, but it still hurt dangit!

[Draconi Redfir]

Yeah but i've never seen a reflex save move me to annother square, i'm always standing in the same place i was before.

[The Glyphstone]

Yeah but i've never seen a reflex save move me to annother square, i'm always standing in the same place i was before.

Explosive Spell moves you if you fail your Reflex save...

[Seerow]

Explosive Spell moves you if you fail your Reflex save...

That one always bugged me. It's so counter-intuitive

[dextercorvia]

That one always bugged me. It's so counter-intuitive

It isn't you dodging to the edge, in that case, it is you taking the full force of the spell to the face and getting knocked to the edge.

[Sholos]

Reflex doesn't mean moving (obviously); rather, it means doing something quickly to mitigate the damage. Ducking and covering yourself with a thick cloak, perhaps, or other actions.

[ChowGuy]

Gold pieces are very unlikely to be made of pure gold - you know that, right? It's way too soft to hold any sort of mark, stamp, or even a solid shape for very long under the beating adventurers put their money through. So even 1GP is probably half or less Au by weight.

Huh. Coulda swore I answered that this morning but meh...


91.67% by weight or 22/24 gold (hence the designation 22kt) alloyed with 8.33% copper for Crown Gold, the stuff bullion coins have been made of since IIRC the 16th century. The copper is there specifically to provide the requisite durability, but the actual value is based on the gold content, of one troy ounce. That puts the total mass at a hair under 34g for "real world" coins or slightly more then what I quoted above but I was felling generous.

ETA: ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_gold

i dont think i ever used the word magic.

Perhaps not, but given the origin of the tower of flame in question, I'm pretty sure it's sudden appearance is not intended to be natural even if it is specified as doing "non-magical fire damage.

[Brother Oni]

Reflex doesn't mean moving (obviously); rather, it means doing something quickly to mitigate the damage. Ducking and covering yourself with a thick cloak, perhaps, or other actions.

Or something as ridiculous as this.

[Giggling Ghast]

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You DARE to laugh at the Viper Clan? For that, you shall die!

[Killer Angel]

I can only say that the answer do Dies' second question, is "yes".

[Maryring]

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Someone has been playing with the wand of feeblemind again.*sagenod*

[Feytalist]

The shield's list isn't done, is it? I assume he'll post the rest later.

[Marnath]

The shield's list isn't done, is it? I assume he'll post the rest later.

You assume correctly. He was questioned about it on the Goblins forum, and his response was "I'm frantically typing them now :)" so yeah.

[Puschkin]

He'll prepare them and whenever he is late with an update for whatever reason he can post a page to keep us happy.

[Lynn]

This goblin is about to die at the hand of the Arm.

[Traab]

This is going to cause problems. Ugh, if it had just been the orc there might have been room to talk things out once fox and dies made it up the ladder, but this could end really badly now.

[TheSummoner]

Tell me I'm not the only one who immediately thought of this.

[Hands_Of_Blue]

Update.

Neat. That's pretty much all I can think to say.

[Acanous]

I'm....very interested in that Drowbane Forest.
What the heck got it THAT name?

[Luzahn]

Huh. I don't know why, but I always assumed the Sunset Fields would be farther away.

[Draconi Redfir]

Well they might be, nothing says anything on that map is close together, could be really zoomed out and every inch is like twenty miles or something.

So is this the first time we've learned the name of the Goblin's clan? or has it been brought up before? i remember something about the clan being so dishonoured that they can't even speak it's name anymore.

[Strawberries]

So is this the first time we've learned the name of the Goblin's clan? or has it been brought up before? i remember something about the clan being so dishonoured that they can't even speak it's name anymore.

It has been brought up in one memorable occasion.

(*sniff* )

[Draconi Redfir]

It has been brought up in one memorable occasion.

(*sniff* )

ohhh that's why it seems famillier.

woops.

[Starbuck_II]

He didn't say it. We know that in Thunt's world, Extra Rage gives +1 rage per day, because Minmax said so. It's, at the moment, unfounded supposition that this was a change due to overpoweredness.

Maybe he didn't know it grants more than +1/day, Thunt is known for making a few mistakes.