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    Default Magic: the Gathering XII: Vote Nicol Bolas for 2012! Discard their hands!

    Yet another Magic thread by me, Shas'aia Toriia! 'Cause I'm sure you weren't sick of looking at me yet!
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    It's the 12th official Magic: the Gathering thread on Giantitp forums!
    This is the place for everything regarding the game - rules questions, your own card creations, decks, reports, rants about recent sets/cards/rules changes, the storyline, favorite cards/colors/sets/characters/pros/articles, the absolute glory/terrible creation that is Elder Dragon Highlander Commander, or any other awesome Magical exploits.
    And definitely don't be shy if you're new to the game or think about starting. We would love to bring more players in, and help you get started!

    If you want, you can post decks and have them placed here in a list similar to the one below! Shoot me a PM if you're interested and I don't have my Ivory Mask.
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    Mirrinus' "Norg'
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    Creatures:
    4 Cloud Sprite
    4 Spellstutter Sprite
    4 Pestermite
    3 Thieving Sprite
    3 Latchkey Faerie
    4 Ninja of the Deep Hours
    2 Okiba-Gang Shinobi

    Instants:
    4 Mana Leak
    4 Agony Warp
    3 Rend Flesh
    2 Condescend

    Lands:
    4 Terramorphic Expanse
    7 Swamp
    12 Island

    Sideboard:
    2 Mistblade Shinobi
    3 Echoing Truth
    3 Negate
    3 Remove Soul
    4 Peppersmoke

    The basic strategy is to play evasive creatures with nice CIP abilities, then bounce them with ninja to replay them again, gaining tons of card advantage. Save the instant counters for things you can't handle, like high cost spells that Spellstutter Sprite can't hit, or board-wiping spells. The deck has lots of disruption and can usually play pretty aggressively. Nearly every spell can potentially 2-for-1 the opponent, giving me control of the game thanks to my strong card advantage. It's a very cheap deck to build due to being made entirely of commons, yet I find that it's still a solid deck to play in other casual formats as well. Its biggest weaknesses appear to be board-sweeping spells and pingers, so my sideboard is built to accomidate either of those threats. Peppersmoke handles most pingers and can decimate casual aggro decks. Remove Soul is also good against aggro, while Negate is for control decks that have been popular lately. Echoing Truth is to stop pauper storm decks based on Empty the Warrens, and the Mistblade Shinobi is for keeping midrange creature decks off balance.



    Mirrinus' Pauper Mono White Control
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    Deck: Sarutabaruta (or just call it Pauper Mono-W Control)
    Format: MTGO Pauper Classic

    Creatures
    4 Order of Leitbur
    3 Shade of Trokair
    4 Noble Templar

    Instants
    4 Judge Unworthy
    3 Dawn Charm
    3 Holy Light
    4 Fire at Will
    4 Unmake

    Sorceries
    1 Cenn's Enlistment

    Enchantments
    4 Oblivion Ring
    2 Faith's Fetters

    Lands
    20 Plains
    4 Secluded Steppe

    Sideboard
    4 Circle of Protection: Red
    1 Circle of Protection: Black
    4 Kami of Ancient Law
    1 Holy Light
    1 Cenn's Enlistment
    4 Relic of Progenitus

    (Note: the circles of protection were common when printed in 7th edition, so they're legal for pauper.)

    Anyway, I realized that most decks for pauper are creature-heavy, due to the lack of mass removal. So I built a deck designed to crush aggro strategies. I run a wealth of removal spells, some of which can earn card advantage. My creatures are few, but are versatile and are great both early and late game, oftentimes utilizing my excess mana to the fullest. The Kami of Ancient Law in the sideboard is mostly to switch in against creature-light decks as an early beater, or to replace Holy Light against white decks. I figure that if a deck is playing white, it's likely to be playing white enchantment-based removal like Oblivion Ring or Temporal Isolation, so the Kami would be great at keeping my other creatures clear of these answers.

    What I'm still considering, though, is the removal suite. I like Fire at Will for its potential for card advantage, particularly against weenie swarms like Slivers. Unmake is also great simply for the lack of the attack/blocker clause. The Dawn Charms are there mostly for versatility, as I can usually think of a good use for it. I'm not sure if I should be maindecking the Holy Lights, though. So far, they've only been useful against pinger decks, Empty the Warrens, and certain elf builds. However, given that Storm may be one of the best pauper builds, Holy Light affords me with my best chance of trumping Empty the Warrens. But most of all, I'm debating Judge Unworthy. On one hand, having 8 removal spells that require attacking/blocking is kind of restrictive; on the other hand, it's my cheapest removal spell, and my only removal option for turn 2. The Scry is oftentimes a toss-up; getting rid of excess land is great, but I've had instances where I needed to draw another land, but can't put a land on top of my deck with Scry if I want to kill a creature. I guess Temporal Isolation is a possible substitute, but it's pretty lousy in the Silvers matchup, which is perhaps the most common deck played in the pauper casual room as of late.

    I'm still debating whether Relic of Progenitus should be in the sideboard; perhaps I could use more aggro options to switch in against creature-light decks, even though those tend to be fewer in number for this format.


    Mirrinus' Countersliver
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    Deck: Pauper UW Countersliver
    Format: Extended Pauper

    Creatures:
    4 Azorius First-wing
    4 Bant Sureblade
    4 Deft Duelist
    4 Ethercaste Knight
    4 Esper Stormblade

    Artifacts:
    4 Fieldmist Borderpost

    Enchantments:
    4 Temporal Isolation

    Instants:
    4 Mana Tithe
    4 Mana Leak
    3 Remove Soul
    3 Hindering Light

    Lands:
    4 Terramorphic Expanse
    7 Island
    7 Plains

    Countersliver is a classic and effective Magic deck archetype that seeks to win by playing a few cheap, efficient threats to take the early game lead, then using permission and light removal elements to prevent the late-game from coming as you press your advantage. The archetype is named after the original version, which played Crystalline Sliver as its flagship creature.

    Countersliver is a good example of an effective aggro-control deck. Your creatures are weaker than your opponent's best aggro creatures, and your removal and card advantage suite isn't nearly as strong as a dedicated control player's. What you do have, though, is tempo. You have superior early-game creatures to all but the best aggro decks, and you'll be shaving pieces off your opponent's life very quickly while trying to maintain your board advantage. Countersliver especially likes to prey on slower decks. Compare a Countersliver deck to a normal permission control deck. Against a mid-range deck, both are able to stall for several turns with their counterspells. However, while the permission deck is just buying time to play a big finisher, Countersliver will have a guy in play by turn 2, and attacking the opponent relentlessly while stalling for time. In other words, it has a tangible clock in play, which will likely win before the late-game hits.

    Countersliver is normally weak against fast aggro decks with superior creatures. However, my personal build contains a few elements that help that matchup. First is the high number of first-striking creatures. Bant Sureblade and Deft Duelist make formidable blockers, easily dispatching lots of popular aggro creatures with high power but low toughness. Deft Duelist is also impossible to burn out of the way, making it a particularly impressive defender. Of course, both are also rather nasty on offense as well. Another nice card in the aggro matchup is Ethercaste Knight. 3 toughness means it can handle many early-game opposing creatures with ease, and it can lend power to my offense without ever having to tap. My favorite starting plays with this deck involve Esper Stormblade on turn 2, followed by Ethercaste Knight on turn 3 with one land up for Mana Tithe. I get to swing for 4 points of flying starting on turn 3, which can lead to a turn 7 win. With Ethercaste Knight blocking on the ground and a slew of countermagic and removal, I'm likely to win a damage race with just those two creatures.

    The key to playing this deck is to not overextend with your creatures, and to keep mana open for counters available as often as possible, even if you aren't actually holding a counter. Exalted lets you finish games quickly without having to play many additional creatures. I prefer my fliers for attacking while keeping the first strikers back for defense to win the damage race against aggro. Of course, if you have a clear creature advantage, by all means attack en masse! Just be sure to have countermagic on hand in case they drop a big creature or removal spell. The good thing about this deck is that practically every single spell costs just 2 mana or less (I don't count the borderposts, as I usually pay their alternate cost), which means by turn 4 you can feasibly drop another threat and still have Mana Leak or Remove Soul ready. The deck desperately wants to hit UW by turn 2 (an opening hand that can't do this should be mulliganed), but with 4 Terramorphic Expanses and 4 Borderposts, that shouldn't be too hard to do, at least in my testing thus far.

    If you want a sideboard, I would recommend trying out Steel of the Godhead. Against decks light on removal but heavy on aggro, this card is a total beating that almost ensures victory in the damage race. Just keep in mind that you can't enchant your Azorius First-wings or Deft Duelists. In such a matchups where I'd want Steel of the Godhead, such as against aggressive red decks, I'd probably swap out the griffins for Vedalken Outlander.


    Shas'aia Toriia's Orzhov Control
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    Creatures (13)
    4x Divinity of Pride
    4x Graveborn Muse
    2x Shimian Specter
    3x Oriss, Samite Guardian

    Artifacts (1)
    1x Sword of Light and Shadow

    Instants (4)
    4x Mortify

    Planeswalkers (2)
    2x Liliana Vess

    Sorceries (16)
    4x Demonic Tutor
    4x Vindicate (substituting in a couple Oblivion Rings until I can afford a playset)
    4x Gerrard's Verdict
    2x Wrath of God
    2x Damnation

    Land (24)
    4x Godless Shrine
    4x Fetid Heath
    4x Caves of Koilos
    1x Shizo, Death's Storehouse
    1x Eiganjo Castle
    2x Orzhova, Church of Deals
    3x Flagstones of Trokair
    2x Forbidding Watchtower
    2x Swamp
    1x Plains

    To start off with this deck, you want to either strip their hand away with Gerrard's Veridct or search for something good with Demonic Tutor. Once you have Graveborn muse in play, just start accumalating card advantage. If they try to attack, prevent the damage with Oriss, or block with Forbidding Watchtower. Finish off the game with Liliana Vess or Divinity of Pride. Above all, though, don't be afraid to Wrath often. With 4 wrath effects and 6 tutors, you can always get more.

    Lastly, there is a soft lock in this deck. See if you can find what it is.


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    Creatures:
    Supreme Exemplar x2
    Mulldrifter x3
    Mournwhelk x3
    Shriekmaw x3
    Spitebellows x3
    Inner-Flame Acolyte x3
    Stingscourger x3

    Artifacts:
    Proteus Staff x3
    Cauldron of Souls x3
    Cloudstone Curio x3
    Armillary Sphere x3

    Sorceries:
    Heat Shimmer x2

    Instants:
    Peel from Reality x2
    Turn to Mist x4

    Lands:
    Basic Swamp x6
    Basic Mountain x7
    Basic Island x7

    Sideboard (aka the Experiment Pile):
    Thrumming Stone
    Coalition Relic
    Cruel Ultimatum x3
    River Kelpie x2
    Heat Shimmer
    Mana Echoes x2
    Dawn of the Dead
    Tar Fiend x2
    Footbottom Feast x3

    The basic premise of the deck is to use the triggered come into play or leaves play effects on creatures, repeatedly, in order to bring about an effective soft lock on the game through denial. This is achieved through taking two keywords abilities (Evoke and Persist)... and breaking them soundly over your knee.

    The core of the deck is the interaction between Cauldron of Souls (the only card in the deck that gives creatures Persist) and Elemental creatures with Evoke alternative casting costs. In response to the Evoke's triggered effect, you tap Cauldron of Souls to give the Evoked creature Persist. It leaves play, then returns to play, causing its triggered come into play ability to go on the stack a second time, for no additional mana cost.

    Example: If I evoke a Mulldrifter for 2U, when it comes into play, I draw two cards. Since I paid the Evoke cost, the triggered effect goes on the stack. I give it Persist via Cauldron of Souls, and when it comes into play a second time, I draw two more cards.

    Example 2: The interaction between Spitebellows and Cauldron of Souls is fundamentally the same, except that the creature's ability triggers when it leaves play, rather than comes into play. However, when Persist brings Spitebellows back into play, it has a zero toughness courtesy of its -1/-1 counter from Persist, sending it cheerfully back to the graveyard a second time, allowing for either 12 damage to be done to one creature, or 6 damage to be done to two separate creatures.

    The typical play of the deck leaves it feeling like its ramping a little slowly. Turns 1-5, you'll probably only have played an Armillary Sphere, Cloudstone Curio, Cauldron of Souls, and land. ***NOTE*** This deck likes its mana, and digging up lands with the Armillary Sphere is crucial.

    Once turn 6 hits, however, you'll be causing some serious hurt, having surprisingly rapid, effective tools at your disposal during your turn. Mournwhelk empties your opponent's hand, Shriekmaw and Spitebellows tear down your opponent's creatures, while Stingscourger stalls out their creatures. Supreme Exemplar is the only huge beater in the deck, though clearing the opposing board, casting a Spitebellows (not Evoking), and then giving it +2/+0 and Haste via Inner-Flame Acolyte (if not +4/+0) can give you a suitable beater as well. Otherwise, your damage comes from lightweight, evasive creatures like Shriekmaw and Mulldrifter.

    This deck isn't especially meant to play against terribly competitive players, but it *can* perform against moderately fast decks. The difference is that it moves slightly slower, and loses out on creatures, because instead of holding on to your Evoke creatures, you'll be playing them in to deal with threats on board. I've got a list of cards that I personally intend to use to tinker with the deck even further, but I'll leave the deck *as is* for the purpose of posting it. I want people to be able to tinker with it, and the deck *does* work well in its current form.

    The deck also has a number of specific weaknesses, none of which should be terribly worried about. It's meant to be a fun deck... for you. It won't be fun for them.


    Maho-Tsukai's The Black Plague, a deck for multiplayer
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    Deck:
    Lands:
    3x Cabal Coffers
    1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    20x Swamp

    Creatures:
    2x Pestilence Demon
    4x Stuffy Doll
    4x Cemetary Gate
    4x Reassembling Skeleton

    Enchantments:
    4x Pestilence
    4x Circle of Affliction

    Sorceries/Instants:
    2x Consume Spirit
    4x Diabolic Tutor
    1x Demonic Tutor
    2x Bubbling Muck
    4x Dark Ritual
    1x Culling the Weak

    Description:
    This is one deck that will make you absolutely hated in multiplayer. It's a mono-black deck that focuses on using the combination of Pestilence + Circle of Affliction (set to Black) to lock down the game by wiping the board every turn and kill your opponent(s) all at the same time.

    This deck acts very similar to the old school W/B decks that pared Pestilence with Circle of Protection: Black and Pro Black creatures like White Knight. However, due to the printing of cards like Reassembling Skeleton, Stuffy Doll and Circle of Affliction white this deck no longer needs white to run properly. Mono Black now has enough cards to emulate the white cards that this kind of deck used to rely on and by using only black you have more mana to pour into your main win condition, pestilence

    As for how the deck should be played, it's really a combination of combo and control, leaning heavily towards combo. As stated before, pestilence is your main wincon, as it can burn all players for damage continually. However, to prevent your own death, circle of affliction(set to black) is used in tandem with pestilence, the one life gained offsetting the burn from pestilence, while burning your opponent more in the process. As a result you goal should be to assemble this combo as soon as possible, using your defensively-minded creatures and removal from pestilence itself and twin consume spirits to stall out while you use your various tutors to assemble all the cards you need.

    The real beauty of this deck, though, is that pestilence also hits all creatures, meaning that each time you burn your opponent your also wiping his board clean of threats, essentially locking down any deck that tries to win with creatures. However, pestilence dies when you have no creatures, so you have to play creatures that can survive the enchantment. Cemetery Gate has protection from black. Reassembling Skeleton can revive himself after pestilence wipes him off the board. Stuffy Doll is indestructible....and as mentioned before all of them are strong defensive walls that can stall for time if you don't have a pestilence in play.

    As for the rest of the cards, most of them are devoted to gaining tons of black mana that can be poured into pestilence. One thing this deck tries to do is maximizing Pestilence by providing lots of ways to gain extra mana to pour into it. Dark Ritual is an old standby that's great for this kind of deck while bubbling muck essentially doubles your mana for a turn. This deck features the infamous all-star of black mana gain, Cabal Coffers which can make ridiculous amounts of mana, and Urborg makes this even more ridiculous. Culling the Weak is like a stronger dark ritual with a drawback....that happens to play well with Reassembling Skeleton.

    Consume Spirit provides a "finisher" as well as a way to pad your life from the times you may have had to use pestilence to wipe the board without a circle of affliction to prevent it's self-burn. It can also double as removal in a pinch, too. Also, if you find that you just need something really big and scary to beat face with, Pestilence demon comes ready to serve you, and can double as pestilence #5-6 too.

    The main thing you should remember in this deck is that while the combo is nice, you should not be a slave to it. If you have a pestilence in play but no circle you should not be afraid to wipe the board and eat some damage yourself. Losing a bit of life to end the thread of a creature hoard coming your way is a worthwhile trade, and one that could save your life in the long run.


    Please include lots of info on how to play the deck so that others can partake in the fun that is whatever deck you have destroyed the Multiverse with or help suggest other cards to increase the awesomeness contained in your 60 (or more) cards.
    Also, it should be noted that this list was maintained by Squark, tgva (that me!) and Johnny Blade before Shas.
    Also, if anyone wants to drop/update any of these decks, let me know.
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    Past topics since the first post takes up too much space:


    List of MtG-related websites put together by Johnny Blades and others:
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    The official site. From here you can reach:
    The page for Magic Online, if you want to give it a try. Note that, while you have to pay/trade for cards, there are bots who give them away for free. I don't have any experience with this, but there are people posting in this thread that do.
    The DCI, for organized play.
    Gatherer, WotC's card search.

    magiccards.info, another place to waste lots of time browsing through cards. It doesn't have the user ratings and comments of Gatherer, but lists the prices of several online vendors and, surprisingly, has more card images. The interface is also better in my opinion.

    MTGSalvation. That place has a lot of stuff, including a wiki, a huge forum, and many articles of varying quality. They also spoil all the cards of the next set well in advance, so this is where we'll usually get future cards from.

    StarCityGames - they make you pay for much of their newer content, but what you can get for free is certainly good enough.

    ChannelFireball.com, where you can hear LSV and Conley Woods (among others) discuss Magic. Many articles and draft videos from the pros are posted here for free. You can also buy cards from this website.

    Elder Dragon Highlander, the official page. Always up to date and it has a forum about this popular variant multiplayer format as well. If you want to learn even more about the format, go here!

    Le Bestiaire, an online draft simulator. It gives you some pretty odd ratings sometimes, but at least there is actual feedback.

    Magic Workstation, a program for...a lot of things, including collection management and online play. Supports more TCGs than just Magic. There's a freeware version available.

    Cockatrice, an other program for over-the-web Magic playing for no cost. Also has card images built in. Generally updates pretty frequently.

    TC Decks, where you can see which decks have tournament success. The decks are essentially named by the people who play them, and if you're looking for, say, Legacy decks, you'll soon find out that not all tournaments are really at Pro Tour level, but this is still an invaluable site for anyone who wants to keep up with the tournament scene.

    Magic: the Gathering Source Forums, which is great for people looking into legacy.

    The Mana Drain, more forums, this time for people looking into Vintage.

    Tapped Out, a deck building and critique community. Build any number of decks and put them up for review/critique/comment/display. Or, keep them private. They also have pretty graphic representations of your mana curve, colour costs and colour generation.

    http://www.highlandermagic.info/ The site for German Rules highlander. It's a 100-card singleton format, but the rules are rather different from EDH. They're more in line with the normal rules, and the banlist is made with a more competitive mindset in mind.

    http://deckstats.net/ Calculates mana curve, compares color spread to manabase colors, calculates prices for the deck as well as some other functions. It can handle MWSDeck files and can also save decks pasted into it in the format.

    GITP Magicgroup play-by-post

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    When building a deck, sorting your cards is very important. While the following advice applies mainly to Highlander formats (specifically Commander), you may find it useful in other formats.

    The largest problem I’ve observed in deckbuilding is cutting cards. We all know that you have the best odds when you play the smallest number of cards. The difference may seem small, but every difference matters. When you’re trying to remove cards from your deck, you are trying to find the cards you don’t need. However, if your methods of sorting are inefficient, it’s very hard to see what exactly you “don’t need” in your list. I mean, looking at a random pile of 80 cards, which 20 cards don’t you need? You couldn’t know without knowing some aspect of those cards. Sorting allows you to classify your cards by some useful characteristic, so that you can tell whether or not you do have parts that are in excess of what you need or cards that you actually just don’t need.

    While there are many methods of sorting, I think the first method of sorting everyone is most familiar with is Type Sorting. This is where you sort your deck list by whatever card types you happen to have. The most common is Land, Creatures, and Non-Creatures. While it is a useful rudimentary step, this form of sorting is fundamentally flawed. Most of the time, this doesn’t help you. For example, let’s take two cards that share a type: Sakura-Tribe Elder and Woodfall Primus. Now, obviously these are both Green creatures. But that’s where the similarity ends. One of these cards is a land-accelerator only pretending to be a creature for long enough to block, while the other is a huge 6/6 that eats a permanent. These things are not very similar. However, a sort by Card Type puts these cards in the same classification category. On the other side, Flame Slash and Flametongue Kavu don’t share a card type, but it’s hard to deny you wouldn’t use both to kill creatures given the option. These cards would be in totally different parts of your list, though!

    It is much easier to see a flaw if cards are sorted in a different manner. The manner that I suggest is the Function Sort. Sort all your cards by their intended function in your deck. For example, Sakura-Tribe Elder is a card you play for Mana Acceleration, so I sort it into the Mana Acceleration section. Woodfall Primus ends up in my Kills Non-Creatures secton. Both Flame Slash and Flametongue Kavu end up in my Kills Creatures section. This method allows you to see the cards by the purpose they serve in your deck, rather than by an arbitrary category. (You could sort your Lands this way, too, but I consider “Land” to be a Function, as lands are very special cards.) Some example categories pretty much every deck should be considering:
    • Win Conditions
    • Mana Acceleration/Fixing
    • Card Drawing
    • Library Manipulation
    • Kills Creatures
    • Kills Non-Creatures
    • Kills Lots of Stuff (Wraths)


    Now, you can also condense those categories if you want. For example, “Kills Creatures” and “Kills Non-Creatures” could just be listed as “Kills Stuff” if it’s not really significant that you have a certain spread.

    (I’ll add an example, but this is the bare-bones of the suggestion.)


    By popular demand, a thread title that will probably be more fitting this year.

    Also, please let us know if you want something in the first post added, edited or removed.
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    How many rarity levels are there in Magic? This Angelic Overseer I found seems to have a reddish crown.

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    How many rarity levels are there in Magic? This Angelic Overseer I found seems to have a reddish crown.
    4. Common, uncommon, rare and Mythic rare.
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    Angelic Overseer is a Mythic Rare, which is the 4th rarity. I forget what the ratio is supposed to be, I think it's supposed to be about 1 out of every 8 packs has a Mythic Rare.
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    I'm all in favor of the Modern bans. Zoo's still playable - Kird Ape and Loam Lion are around, as is Steppe Lynx. And Punishing Fires was just annoying and oppressive. Personally, I think they could have unbanned Green Sun's Zenith, since there'll be multiple aggro/midrange archetypes for it to go in.
    Yes, 1/8 rares are mythic rares instead.

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    Angelic Overseer is a Mythic Rare, which is the 4th rarity. I forget what the ratio is supposed to be, I think it's supposed to be about 1 out of every 8 packs has a Mythic Rare.
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    So, looking at EDH generals. Any suggestions for amusing (not necessarily amazing) R/W or G/B generals that you've seen in action?

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    So, looking at EDH generals. Any suggestions for amusing (not necessarily amazing) R/W or G/B generals that you've seen in action?
    Savra can be quite interesting, and Skullbriar can make for some interesting decks...that's all I can think of, though.

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    Thelon of Havenwood, Nath of the Gilt Leaf, and Vhati il-Dal are the remaining interesting G/B Generals. I have a Skullbriar deck, but it's somewhat schizophrenic and I'm not sure that Skullbriar is really the best man for the job.

    As for R/W, Brion Stoutarm and Jor Kadeen are the most popular and pretty easy to work out. I've seen a Razia deck in action before, mostly using Razia as a big beatstick in a R/W controlish deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgva8889 View Post
    Thelon of Havenwood, Nath of the Gilt Leaf, and Vhati il-Dal are the remaining interesting G/B Generals. I have a Skullbriar deck, but it's somewhat schizophrenic and I'm not sure that Skullbriar is really the best man for the job.
    By remaining, you mean...?

    Skullbriar is a guy I've been looking at a lot recently, and I really *want* to make something happen with him, but yeah, I'm not sure EDH is where that's going to happen.

    As for R/W, Brion Stoutarm and Jor Kadeen are the most popular and pretty easy to work out. I've seen a Razia deck in action before, mostly using Razia as a big beatstick in a R/W controlish deck.
    Huh. Never thought of Razia. Yeah, I did kinda notice that the R/W general options are... slim, to say the least. Thanks for the suggestion on Razia.

    Any thoughts about how to make a Kaalia of the Vast deck work well? Just throwing good Dragons, Demons, and Angels in a pile isn't exactly the best plan ever.

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    Make sure your curve is reasonable. A lot of Kaalia decks cram a ton of huge fatties in there which means that if Kaalia is ever denied to you you're an agro deck with a curve that starts at 6, which is obviously terrible.

    Make sure you have sources of card advantage. Kaalia can dump her hand pretty quickly, so you need ways of getting cards back. Bloodgift Demon, Knollspine Dragon, Rune-Scarred Demon, and Spinerock Knoll are all good cards to look at.

    Have ways to close out the game that don't involve attacking with creatures. Earthquake effects are very good for this since you can close out games with it or use it to clear the board while keeping your stuff. Mass land destruction is excellent at this, since once you drop a couple fatties it'll make sure that your opponents can't stop them (It gets looked down on in EDH, but I think it gets a much worse reputation than it deserves. Casting Obliterate to reset the game just because, or because you're about to die is incredibly frustrating and should be discouraged. Casting Obliterate because you've got 2 powerful enchantments in play, a planeswalker about to go ultimate, and 8 mana floating is a legitimate way of winning the game).

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    Quote Originally Posted by arguskos View Post
    By remaining, you mean...?
    Quote Originally Posted by IthilanorStPete View Post
    Savra can be quite interesting, and Skullbriar can make for some interesting decks...that's all I can think of, though.
    Not mentioned in this post, right before mine.

    Skullbriar isn't bad, it's just that the deck I built may not be the best home for him. I do like what he does, and I do think he could be a pretty viable threat, but I'm not sure that the deck I built is the right place for him.

    There are 2 Generals in each of those colors that I didn't mention, but none of them are particularly good. I mean, Agrus Kos is okay and Basandra is an Air Elemental, but most people prefer the others, and Rhys is just worse than Nath if what you want is Elves and Sisters of Stone Death is not something you need to be playing (though still about as workable as Razia, actually).
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    What about Glissa the Traitor? Something wrong with her as a B/G general?
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    Um, no, I just forgot her. Which is really awkward, because she's AWESOME. Though really annoying to play against if done in the annoying way, which is really one of the few ways she actually works.
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    Um, no, I just forgot her. Which is really awkward, because she's AWESOME. Though really annoying to play against if done in the annoying way, which is really one of the few ways she actually works.
    "The annoying way"?

    I'm curious, because I have her, and she's going to be my general for a B/G infect EDH deck.
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    The "kill all your stuff and never let you have nice things" way. Which is really the best way to play her. Just kill all their stuff and reuse innocuous artifacts like Nihil Spellbomb or Armillary Sphere. Then draw Executioner's Capsule, kill everything, and move on with your day.
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    The "kill all your stuff and never let you have nice things" way. Which is really the best way to play her. Just kill all their stuff and reuse innocuous artifacts like Nihil Spellbomb or Armillary Sphere. Then draw Executioner's Capsule, kill everything, and move on with your day.
    Aaaah.

    Ooh. Nihil Spellbomb is nice.

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    So, looking at EDH generals. Any suggestions for amusing (not necessarily amazing) R/W or G/B generals that you've seen in action?
    Real men and women use Iname as One as their general.

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    The whole "costs 12" and "only does something if you cast it from your hand" makes Iname as One a weaker choice than, say, either other Iname. If you do play it, though, I suppose you could theoretically make it not terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgva8889 View Post
    The whole "costs 12" and "only does something if you cast it from your hand" makes Iname as One a weaker choice than, say, either other Iname. If you do play it, though, I suppose you could theoretically make it not terrible.
    Hence, the "Real men" comment. Awesome, but useless.


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    It just made me think of a two-headed commander game, each with a 50 card commander deck which get smooshed together.
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    I decided to scrap one of my German Highlander decks for trade cards and got some good stuff for my EDH deck today (Consecrated Sphinx, Life's Finale, Watery Grave, Mana Vault and some more I forgot already). Here's what I've got so far for Mimeoplasm Combo/Reanimator.

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    Well, Tempest Block Sealed is an absolutely silly format. And yet I cannot stop playing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinizer View Post
    's what I've got so far for Mimeoplasm Combo/Reanimator.

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    Skithiryx+Lord of Extinction or a power 6+ creature.
    If you're doing a graveyard combo with Mimeoplasm, you should run Corpse Connoisseur to set up both halves.

    Also, as long as you're on the "Big creature plus X" plan for Mimeoplasm, you might as well run Cold-Eyed Selkie (or Needle Specter, or Invisible Stalker)
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    I did consider Corpse Connoiseur for a bit, but at cmc 5 he's essentially worse entomb. I'm already strapped for slots and can't really think of what to take out to make room.

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    I did consider Corpse Connoiseur for a bit, but at cmc 5 he's essentially worse entomb.
    He's a double entomb for 9 total, enough to set up the entire combo.
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    I just finished Arkham City and decided to make a cat deck. (I should mention that I build themes and I am poor, so my decks tend from mediocre to terri-bad)

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    The cat deck I have right now is based around getting cat tokens, either through white sun's zenith or Kemba, Kha Regent. Then the cats get a boost Raksha Golden Cub (+2/2 and double strike), making each token a reasonably potent card itself. Both Kemba and Raksha need equipment, so I put Swiftfoot Boots to grant Hexproof in, and Shuko for super cheap equipment that can be re-equipped at will. Hexproof should keep them alive while they build up the invincible cat army.


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    Pride Guardian and Glittering Lynx are pretty terrible, and Spectral Lynx doesn't really do much without any Black in your deck. I suggest instead playing a combination of more Equipment and more useful Cats from other sets. At the very least, Leonin Shikari is a 2/2 for 2, Blade of the Sixth Pride is a 3/1 for 2, Ajani's Pridemate is a 2/2 for 2 that might get bigger some small amount of time, Leonin Skyhunter is a 2/2 with Flying, and Whitemane Lion is a combat trick that's also a Cat. Taj-Nar Swordsmith is a tutor that you should consider playing.

    The biggest problem with your deck is that you're building around a 7-mana creature, yet you only have 20 lands in your deck. I don't think you'll ever actually get to catch Raksha, so it might be a better idea to cut him and replace him with something else. There are many awesome Tribal pump cards that don't require you to play a 7-mana creature or put an equipment on him.
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    You definitely want one more land to reliably curve into Khemba+equip and fuel White Sun's Zeniths, and 25+ if you want to run Raksha. (trim 2 Rakshas for extra lands, or trim all 4 Rakshas)

    Also, you could diversify your offense considerably using equipment-enhanced fliers. Leonin Skyhunter and Khemba's Skyguard hit fast in the air, and Ajani's Pridemate on the ground is decent when curved into the Skyguard. (Cut the Pride Guardians, Spectral Lynxes and Savannah Lions for these).

    Finally, for those permanents you just can't beat (ranging from Shepherd of the Lost to Gideon Jura), there's always Oblivion Ring.
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