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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    Or, you know, she's forgetful or distracted or had a brain fart or any number of other things that aren't sociopathy...
    I think I probably just assign less stigma on the word than you. I'm just saying that if she cares for the guy but forgot something like that, she probably has trouble connecting with people on that specific social medium. If that's not the case, then I would guess that she doesn't care for the guy enough to warrant his friendship. That's just my opinion.

    In any case, Marillion, even if eventually it does work out, in the meantime I would suggest you try your best to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Then again, if she forgets something that major, how important does she view one's friendship if she's forgetting stuff about one's self like that?
    I'm guessing it doesn't mean as much to her as it does to him (the crush, that is), but I don't think anything else can be inferred from this.
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    I'm guessing it doesn't mean as much to her as it does to him (the crush, that is), but I don't think anything else can be inferred from this.
    Not without more information to say for sure, no, but I covered that in the post before that.

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    *shrugs* I don't so much 'forget' when people fancy me, I just don't notice it, and so will still have to pause and think for a moment when someone admits it again.

    That could be how it is for Marillion's girlie.
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    It's probably closer to deliberately not thinking about it than having had the admission pass completely out of her head.

    Net effect is the same, though. Move on. If she's like most girls, she'll start showing interest when there's another challenger for your affections.

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    I actually agree with Serpentine here. I daresay she just had other things taking priority in her mind.

    I don't get it. Why should it be a Big Deal(tm) if someone likes you if you're happy with your current state of relationship? Unless it pings as creepy (thus feeling kind of threatening) or something really unexpected or unless I was interested back, I daresay I'd probably not quite remember things like that either. I would think that this lady heard it, acknowledged it, didn't find it especially emotional a revelation in any way, and thus it went out of her mind. I would hazard a guess that she's not interested. But nor is she creeped out by it, nor does she find it awkward or unexpected. It kind of speaks for her preferring to stay friends than anything else, at least now.

    Studies (that I honestly can't quote, I'd have to look for them again) seem to suggest that people remember things better when they had some sort of emotional reaction to it (and that's why negative things stick to one's mind like leeches!). I know I've seen evidence of that in people I interact with (someone I know will not remember having watched a show episode... unless there was something that really struck an emotional chord, for example), and in myself. So my guess is she wasn't surprised, nor was she finding it creepy or awkward, nor was she interested back. Certainly I'm not going to call her a sociopath.

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    I don't get it. Why should it be a Big Deal(tm) if someone likes you if you're happy with your current state of relationship?
    Well, the idea is that in this case it's not so much a "someone" so much as it is someone who is ostensibly a "friend," and so would at least qualify for some amount of memory being allocated to pertinent facts about them, hair color, what they look like, that they want to bone you...
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    Why is them wanting to bone you pertinent? Guessing this is a rift between schools of thought - if I like a guy, I either don't tell him because I still prefer the current relationship status I have, and just enjoy the happy feelings I get when seeing them; or I tell them, they say yes/no. And if they say no, I don't really care about them remembering - a lot of the time, I hope they put it to the back of their mind so you can move on and stay friends.
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    I actually agree with Serpentine here. I daresay she just had other things taking priority in her mind
    Yep. She said that since she doesn't want any relationship with anybody, and I haven't pressed the matter, she hasn't given it much thought and it momentarily slipped her mind. And I am inclined to believe her. It's not that she doesn't care about me as a friend, it's that she's incredibly busy right now. I'm over it now, it just stung a little bit at the time. But such is life.
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    Why is them wanting to bone you pertinent? Guessing this is a rift between schools of thought - if I like a guy, I either don't tell him because I still prefer the current relationship status I have, and just enjoy the happy feelings I get when seeing them; or I tell them, they say yes/no. And if they say no, I don't really care about them remembering - a lot of the time, I hope they put it to the back of their mind so you can move on and stay friends.
    You truly cannot see how it might be pertinent that a friend admits to you that they like you as more than a friend and view you in a different light than you view them? Or even that the friend who has feelings for you might view those as pertinent?

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    Not really. At least, not once it's been expressed, lack of reciprocation is in the open, and friendship is resumed. At that point, I personally consider it outright positive that she's not dwelling on it.
    I've been told a number of my friends want to bone me. I don't know or can't remember many of the specific individuals, and it is not pertinent to our friendship. It will remain irrelevant until either their desire is reciprocated, or it starts to cause a problem. Given that, in this case, the desire is not reciprocated, the next best thing is that it does not cause a problem - and clearly, at least for her, it does not, or it would be far less likely to slip her mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    Not really. At least, not once it's been expressed, lack of reciprocation is in the open, and friendship is resumed. At that point, I personally consider it outright positive that she's not dwelling on it.
    There's no difference between "dwelling" on it and "remembering it when it's brought up in conversation?"
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    She did remember it in conversation. She just didn't make the connection between "made a move" and "remember how I said I fancy you?" immediately. Slightly odd, but not outside the realms of non-sociopathic or is-actually-a-good-friend possibility.

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    Your biggest problem is a simple math-based one. Without some heavy work in making the match system work in your favor, I don't know how many people in your area are going to see genderfluidity as a big selling point. And at the same time, not accepting it seems to be a dealbreaker for you. I say stick with what you have, but understand that odds are against you.

    Also, you're looking exclusively for friends. Who have to be within four years of your age, must be local, and who must be bi girls. I can't think quite the word for this sort of behavior. I'm sure someone else will have a good one.

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    I used "restrictive".

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    Looking good. A few dry touches of humour without over doing it and although its a little blurry, the piccie is quite attractive.

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    Your biggest problem is a simple math-based one. Without some heavy work in making the match system work in your favor, I don't know how many people in your area are going to see genderfluidity as a big selling point. And at the same time, not accepting it seems to be a dealbreaker for you. I say stick with what you have, but understand that odds are against you.

    Also, you're looking exclusively for friends. Who have to be within four years of your age, must be local, and who must be bi girls. I can't think quite the word for this sort of behavior. I'm sure someone else will have a good one.
    I could probably add "long term relationships" to looking for, but frankly, if I can't make friends, then prospects of a long term relationship seem slim. I'm not very mobile, so local is good, I have no interest in people significantly different in age to me, and I doubt that anyone other than bi girls would be interested in me - the genderfluidity is indeed something of a big deal. I'm not expecting it to be a selling point, but I see no point in not being upfront about it. Because it's a major part of who I am, and so shouldn't be something that I go "by the way..." on.
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    I just don't want to have long romantic conversations or any sort of drama with my computer, okay? It knows what kind of porn I watch. I don't want to mess that up by allowing it to judge any of my choices in romance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    ...and I doubt that anyone other than bi girls would be interested in me
    Let other people make that decision. There's no reason to prematurely limit your options. More to the point: the purpose of that section is to specify people you are interested in, not who you expect to be interested in you.

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    Your biggest problem is a simple math-based one. Without some heavy work in making the match system work in your favor, I don't know how many people in your area are going to see genderfluidity as a big selling point. And at the same time, not accepting it seems to be a dealbreaker for you. I say stick with what you have, but understand that odds are against you.

    Also, you're looking exclusively for friends. Who have to be within four years of your age, must be local, and who must be bi girls. I can't think quite the word for this sort of behavior. I'm sure someone else will have a good one.
    I could probably add "long term relationships" to looking for, but frankly, if I can't make friends, then prospects of a long term relationship seem slim. I'm not very mobile, so local is good, I have no interest in people significantly different in age to me, and I doubt that anyone other than bi girls would be interested in me - the genderfluidity is indeed something of a big deal. I'm not expecting it to be a selling point, but I see no point in not being upfront about it. Because it's a major part of who I am, and so shouldn't be something that I go "by the way..." on.
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    I just don't want to have long romantic conversations or any sort of drama with my computer, okay? It knows what kind of porn I watch. I don't want to mess that up by allowing it to judge any of my choices in romance.

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    I could probably add "long term relationships" to looking for, but frankly, if I can't make friends, then prospects of a long term relationship seem slim. I'm not very mobile, so local is good, I have no interest in people significantly different in age to me, and I doubt that anyone other than bi girls would be interested in me - the genderfluidity is indeed something of a big deal. I'm not expecting it to be a selling point, but I see no point in not being upfront about it. Because it's a major part of who I am, and so shouldn't be something that I go "by the way..." on.
    People's sexual identities aren't always as rigid as they seem. (There's a reason things like straight with exceptions exist.) I've heard about far too many MTF / straight wife couples to not believe in that. :p
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    Does anyone else have massive problems getting people to simply respond to them? Every single time I try to hang out with a girl, it takes the same pattern. We hang out a couple of times. We both seem to have a good time. She expresses interest in hanging out further. Cue hearing absolutely nothing from her and her avoiding me. I've only had one girl ever tell me why she didn't want to be around me. It's beginning to make me think that being a jerk really is the better way of interacting with women, since being a genuinely nice person doesn't seem to work.
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    It's beginning to make me think that being a jerk really is the better way of interacting with women, since being a genuinely nice person doesn't seem to work.
    It's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sholos View Post
    Does anyone else have massive problems getting people to simply respond to them? Every single time I try to hang out with a girl, it takes the same pattern. We hang out a couple of times. We both seem to have a good time. She expresses interest in hanging out further. Cue hearing absolutely nothing from her and her avoiding me. I've only had one girl ever tell me why she didn't want to be around me. It's beginning to make me think that being a jerk really is the better way of interacting with women, since being a genuinely nice person doesn't seem to work.
    The following is advice for everyone that is simply posted in response to Sholos here.

    1. I don't know you, but there's always a chance that there's something you're doing that's off-putting which decidedly does not fall under the category "genuinely nice guy". In my experience, people who are nice generally describe themselves as "trying to be nice" than "being nice", so maybe you're overlooking part of your persona? Again, I really, REALLY have no idea here. It's a guess.

    2. Speaking as a jerk, being a jerk does not get you women (or men). There are jerks who get women (or men), but it is not because they are jerks. It might be a behavior related to behavior which is associated with being a jerk, but it is not the being a jerk itself. Don't just attempt to be more rude and arrogant and callous because you think "women (or men) like jerks".

    In any case, the way people react to you has nothing to do with the presence or absence of a uterus. It is all on you. Don't blame the "mysteries of the female species".

    For what it's worth, in life, most social contacts you attempt to make will end up going nowhere, no matter the environment, attempted type of relationship (professional, friendly, romantic, whatever), or effort. It's just how people seem to be, and if I had to guess, it's been that way ever since telecommunications got big, if not before then.

    Keep trying, and never be afraid to shake things up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I could probably add "long term relationships" to looking for, but frankly, if I can't make friends, then prospects of a long term relationship seem slim. I'm not very mobile, so local is good, I have no interest in people significantly different in age to me, and I doubt that anyone other than bi girls would be interested in me - the genderfluidity is indeed something of a big deal. I'm not expecting it to be a selling point, but I see no point in not being upfront about it. Because it's a major part of who I am, and so shouldn't be something that I go "by the way..." on.

    I thought the main thrust of that was that if you're only looking for friends, why specify only bisexual girls as potential friends?
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    Heliomance: Bluntly put, you don't sound like you're in a place for a relationship. You sound like you need access to local friends/a local community more than anything. You'll have much better luck finding someone through a local gender/kink based community than finding some completely random chick who thinks that genderfluidity is what gets her going.

    You might be better off on a certain site that's a bit more niche-oriented. I don't feel 100% comfortable linking it here, but it's the first hit if you google "kinky social network". Even on OKC, you'll probably have the best results if you look to network first. (Looking for: Everybody, 18-99, anywhere, for friends and pen-pals.)

    Sholos: Ironically, the girls are doing that precisely because they're not bitchy. They feel bad about telling you that there's nothing going on. It's just that in feeling bad, they prefer avoidance to confrontation. You really can't blame them, any more than you can blame little white lies or friends sugar-coating things for you. We're talking basic social expectations and human nature.

    Oftentimes, the things "*******s" have going for them is that they're not milquetoast and predictable. Like DMS said, shake things up. If what you have isn't working, you don't have much to lose if you take a risk.

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    Actually, OKCupid can be very good for meeting up with people in your local area. But, again, it makes it a lot trickier to do so if you're only willing to meet bisexual girls...

    Re. Sholos, does my "Brutally Honest" list need to be broken out again?

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    Re. Sholos, does my "Brutally Honest" list need to be broken out again?
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    The following is advice for everyone that is simply posted in response to Sholos here.

    1. I don't know you, but there's always a chance that there's something you're doing that's off-putting which decidedly does not fall under the category "genuinely nice guy". In my experience, people who are nice generally describe themselves as "trying to be nice" than "being nice", so maybe you're overlooking part of your persona? Again, I really, REALLY have no idea here. It's a guess.
    Believe me, I've asked everyone I know what's wrong with me and what might be driving girls away. Not a single one of them can come up with anything. In fact, when I asked a few people if they thought I'd be worth dating and why, one of the specific things they mentioned was how kind I am. And since none of the girls who up and vanish on me are courteous enough to even tell me that's what they're doing, I don't really have any way of figuring it out.

    2. Speaking as a jerk, being a jerk does not get you women (or men). There are jerks who get women (or men), but it is not because they are jerks. It might be a behavior related to behavior which is associated with being a jerk, but it is not the being a jerk itself. Don't just attempt to be more rude and arrogant and callous because you think "women (or men) like jerks".
    Really? Because most of the people I know that don't really seem to have problems getting someone can be real jerks a lot of the time. On the other hand, you have me, who goes out of his way sometimes to not be hurtful, and ends up with no one. Tell me how that makes sense. I guess I'm just supposed to sit around and wait to be discovered, right?

    In any case, the way people react to you has nothing to do with the presence or absence of a uterus. It is all on you. Don't blame the "mysteries of the female species".
    No, it's not. It can't be. Because everyone I know likes me and enjoys spending time with me. So it's very obviously not me. And if it is, no one who knows me and spends significant time around me can figure it out either.

    For what it's worth, in life, most social contacts you attempt to make will end up going nowhere, no matter the environment, attempted type of relationship (professional, friendly, romantic, whatever), or effort. It's just how people seem to be, and if I had to guess, it's been that way ever since telecommunications got big, if not before then.

    Keep trying, and never be afraid to shake things up a bit.
    I don't care if it doesn't end up going anywhere (well, I do, but that's not the main source of frustration/anger here). What I care about is not being communicated with. I can take someone not thinking it's going to work out (though how they can tell that after just two dates is beyond me). What I don't like (and consider extremely rude and disrespectful) is just being shut off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    Actually, OKCupid can be very good for meeting up with people in your local area. But, again, it makes it a lot trickier to do so if you're only willing to meet bisexual girls...

    Re. Sholos, does my "Brutally Honest" list need to be broken out again?
    I've read it several times before, but I guess another read-through can't hurt.

    Would you mind personally looking at my OKC profile and telling me if there's anything that specifically sticks out as horrifying? The picture of me in a Reese's shirt is about what I look like now, for reference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reluctance View Post
    Sholos: Ironically, the girls are doing that precisely because they're not bitchy. They feel bad about telling you that there's nothing going on. It's just that in feeling bad, they prefer avoidance to confrontation. You really can't blame them, any more than you can blame little white lies or friends sugar-coating things for you. We're talking basic social expectations and human nature.
    So am I just weird in wanting to clearly know when something's not going anywhere? I'd be lambasted if I just suddenly stopped talking with a potential romantic partner. Hell, I thought that's one of those things that tends to bug girls is guys not communicating enough. Double standard much?
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    So, the other day I ended up kissing a rather attractive friend of mine. Today I was in the pub with a few girls I know, and every single one of them turned their head as I walked past. That's never happened before.

    I never really realised it, but now I really see the advantage of self-confidence. It's powerful stuff.


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    Does my "Brutally Honest" list need to be broken out again?
    Of course! That lists is amazing, there doesn't need to be a reason for it.
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