The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)

[DoctorGlock]

He also has in fact performed significant actions of his own (pretty much all of Interesting Times, defeating Coin.. although by D&D standards that one probably falls under the "if you beat this it was probably a complete fluke. Congratulate your players on still being alive but don't give them XP" clause) and if story/chapter completion XP is assumed to be a thing, he has spades of that too.

He also killed Cthulhu with a brick in a sock.

[Gavinfoxx]

Isn't Gandalf better statted as a level 6 or level 5 paladin than a level 6 or level 5 wizard?

[NNescio]

Isn't Gandalf better statted as a level 6 or level 5 paladin than a level 6 or level 5 wizard?

I prefer Bard myself. Isn't his main shtick Inspire Courage (Oratory) and Bardic Knowledge Lore?

Of course, he's still a Solar in addition to his class levels; he's just forbidden from using those abilities unless he's up against a Balor or something similar.

Meanwhile, Narya is a reslotted Badge of Valor...

[Elfin]

I prefer Bard myself. Isn't his main shtick Inspire Courage (Oratory) and Bardic Knowledge Lore?

Not to mention that the bard spell list covers pretty much every bit of magic he performs.

[Zale]

Well, I haven't looked at many classes on that wiki, but I have seen the races..

People seem to give out extremely overpowered abilities for a really low LA -OR- Use a high LA to justify insane abilities.

Like these guys, who can manipulate reality as a full-round action.

[DoctorGlock]

Well, I haven't looked at many classes on that wiki, but I have seen the races..

People seem to give out extremely overpowered abilities for a really low LA -OR- Use a high LA to justify insane abilities.

Like these guys, who can manipulate reality as a full-round action.

Reading that has caused my IQ to drop. What purpose is there to write up a race whose abilities are literally "whatever they want"? It's like he is trying to template Mary Sues.

[Steward]

Reading that has caused my IQ to drop. What purpose is there to write up a race whose abilities are literally "whatever they want"? It's like he is trying to template Mary Sues.

You guys should read more carefully -- it's clearly balanced if you look at RAW:

Ictheyin rarely use their Reality Rewrite ability, instead often limiting their powers, that tasks do not become too easy for them.

See?

[Zale]

Reading that has caused my IQ to drop. What purpose is there to write up a race whose abilities are literally "whatever they want"? It's like he is trying to template Mary Sues.

I thought it was some kind of fish race when I clicked it.

Ictheyin? Sounds sorta fish-like.

There's about twelve or so sub-races of elf on there too.

And a skinless humanoid destined to be chaotic stupid. With +10 Strength. At LA 0.

[Zeta Kai]

Gandalf was not a 5th level wizard. Gandalf was a 20+ leveled Gish/demigod. Things you read at the Alexandrian should not be taken seriously without looking at the sources for yourself.

Speaking of looking at the sources, perhaps you should heed your own advice. Nobody mentioned the Alexandrian, & that link leads elsewhere.

[Zale]

Am I the only one who feels there's something vaguely wrong with this race?

[Amechra]

I thought it was some kind of fish race when I clicked it.

Ictheyin? Sounds sorta fish-like.

There's about twelve or so sub-races of elf on there too.

And a skinless humanoid destined to be chaotic stupid. With +10 Strength. At LA 0.

But they are CLEARLY balanced! I would actually say they are a bit underpowered; a -4 to Con and a -6 to Dex means that they are going to be flimsier than other races AND will have less HP.

Let's see... You have to spend A LOT of their point buy into stats that are incredibly important for your little melee characters, and it's not as if they can do ranged, what with their -6 to Dexterity.

So, yeah, they wanted LA +0 and massive Str, but FAILED at balance the opposite direction.

Good job continuing the stereotype, stupid writer!

And I have feeling that the not-at-all-fish were an attempt to model deities as a race. Whoever wrote that was a stupid git. Either that, or a DM tired of having his players kill his gods/important NPCs...

[The Glyphstone]

To be fair, the 'Reality Rewriters' race has LA: n/a, so it's not a playable race. They're not Mary Sue given stats, they're Deus Ex Machina incarnate.

[Steward]

Am I the only one who feels there's something vaguely wrong with this race?

While I was staring at the baffling sexism, the absolutely broken stats (LA 0? Really??) snuck up behind me and smashed my head in with a baseball bat. Fortunately, the author appears to be thoughtful and was aware of the problems with his work (in the Discussion tab), so I can respect that he's probably improved significantly since 2008.

I think it's safe to conclude that homebrewing is extremely difficult.

[Zale]

I think it's safe to conclude that homebrewing is extremely difficult.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Except perhaps words detailing the adorableness of kittens.

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[sreservoir]

well,

It was a bad idea on my part. I think that this might be one of those ideas of mine which is destined for the trash heap. --Noname 10:35, 28 March 2009 (MDT)

but see, this is why peer review.

[lord pringle]

Am I the only one who feels there's something vaguely wrong with this race?

My... My god. "The women are often neutral in all ways, but are evil more than good, and far chaotic more than lawful." They're sexism incarnate! I'm horrified!

[horseboy]

Speaking of looking at the sources, perhaps you should heed your own advice. Nobody mentioned the Alexandrian, & that link leads elsewhere.

It's where that Tom-foolery was codified, therefore anytime someone mentions it, he gets blamed.

[Arcane_Secrets]

Behold The Cantripologist!

[sonofzeal]

Behold The Cantripologist!

I don't know, "Imitate Spell" is kind of ridiculously awesome once you get it at lvl 5, effectively spontaneous casting off the entire Sor/Wiz list.

[Prime32]

Read the talk page.

It's supposed to be balanced around making up new effects for your spells, like "ray of frost freezes enemies solid if you use enough at the same time".

[sonofzeal]

Read the talk page.

It's supposed to be balanced around making up new effects for your spells, like "ray of frost freezes enemies solid if you use enough at the same time".

The talk page doesn't say anything about Imitate Spell that I can see.......

[Prime32]

No, Imitate Spell is unrelated (and wasn't always there), I mean you were supposed to be able to do that anyway without a rule for it. By being clever.

The first block of text mentions Imitate Spell.
An earlier version of the class allowed you to learn a spell of any level as a cantrip if you reduced its effects, with no further explanation.

[Zale]

I can't balance for crap, but.. Enter the Arcanist!

Arcanist Empowerment: This ability allows the Arcanist to add his age to numerical values of his spells. (example: Dargus, the Evo-Arcanist, Usesw his Magic Missile spell at level 1. The spell causes 2 missiles to strike the target at 1d4+1+his age in damage. As he is a human arcanist and rolled in at 27 years old, his magic missiles each do 29-32 damage each.) This ability is why the creator recommends only allowing humans.

So Mage armor for a, oh, 300 year old elf arcanist would give you... 304 AC!

Unless I'm really missing something here.

[Prime32]

Recommended only humans eh? *plays a human lich*

[Zale]

Or an Elan.

A five thousand year old one.

I could kill entire Pantheons with magic missiles.

[sonofzeal]

Or an Elan.

A five thousand year old one.

I could kill entire Pantheons with magic missiles.

Gods can effectively have most buff spells up 24/7 as a default. Shield renders your Magic Missile storm useless. Mindrape + Love's Pain, however....

[Zale]

Gods can effectively have most buff spells up 24/7 as a default. Shield renders your Magic Missile storm useless. Mindrape + Love's Pain, however....

Disintegrate then.

Passed the Fort Save?

Well take 5d6 + 5000 damage.

Is there any spell that can't be improved by adding 5000 to it's numeric values?

[sonofzeal]

Is there any spell that can't be improved by adding 5000 to it's numeric values?

Yeah, most area of effect spells. You need LoS/LoE to the target, and now the Radius is now... prohibitive, to say the least. The Range gets boosted too, but is only effectively useful right on the extreme edge of that or it'll catch you too.

Also, Celerity now Dazes you for a month. Have fun with that!

[Zale]

Yeah, most area of effect spells. You need LoS/LoE to the target, and now the Radius is now... prohibitive, to say the least. The Range gets boosted too, but is only effectively useful right on the extreme edge of that or it'll catch you too.

Also, Celerity now Dazes you for a month. Have fun with that!

Ouch.

I retract my previous statement.

[sreservoir]

Yeah, most area of effect spells. You need LoS/LoE to the target, and now the Radius is now... prohibitive, to say the least. The Range gets boosted too, but is only effectively useful right on the extreme edge of that or it'll catch you too.

Also, Celerity now Dazes you for a month. Have fun with that!

your next turn isn't numberical. "a" standard action, on the other hand...