The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)

[sonofzeal]

your next turn isn't numberical. "a" standard action, on the other hand...

I'm AFB so I can't check the wording, but I expect you'd gain 5000 standard actions and then be dazed for 5000 rounds.

But with a dimmer view of "numerical", then "a" doesn't qualify. Neither would "single", "couple", "none", or "myriad" - even though each of those can be rephrased numerically, they aren't themselves numbers.

But even then, summons would take 5000 rounds to cast. WITHOUT that limit, any spell that takes "a standard action" or even "a swift action" to cast now takes... well, you figure it out.

[Arcane_Secrets]

I can't balance for crap, but.. Enter the Arcanist!



So Mage armor for a, oh, 300 year old elf arcanist would give you... 304 AC!

Unless I'm really missing something here.

Tragically, no.

Other ways of breaking this include casting poison, enervation,, and touch of idiocy.

[sreservoir]

I'm AFB so I can't check the wording, but I expect you'd gain 5000 standard actions and then be dazed for 5000 rounds.

But with a dimmer view of "numerical", then "a" doesn't qualify. Neither would "single", "couple", "none", or "myriad" - even though each of those can be rephrased numerically, they aren't themselves numbers.

But even then, summons would take 5000 rounds to cast. WITHOUT that limit, any spell that takes "a standard action" or even "a swift action" to cast now takes... well, you figure it out.

1 immediate action, actually. so you'll need 5001 immediates to cast celerity.

[Eldariel]

Tragically, no.

Other ways of breaking this include casting poison, enervation,, and touch of idiocy.

In general, casting a spell with numeric values breaks this class. It's almost as bad as Tainted Scholar in that it scales by a nearly limitless number (BECOME LICH, ENTER FAST TIME PROGRESSION PLANE, HAVE FUN!), but unlike with Tainted Scholar, it's not limited in what it scales. *sigh*

[sreservoir]

necropolitan works, too!

[aabicus]

The spell attached to the Uplift class is interesting. So apparently if awaken is cast on the uplift it can gain a higher Int and actually be able to speak, something several people in this thread have complained about.

However, awaken is Drd 5 and costs XP, while this spell is Drd 4. I'm not sure why any character would want to burn XP on one of these things.

[Steward]

In general, casting a spell with numeric values breaks this class. It's almost as bad as Tainted Scholar in that it scales by a nearly limitless number (BECOME LICH, ENTER FAST TIME PROGRESSION PLANE, HAVE FUN!), but unlike with Tainted Scholar, it's not limited in what it scales. *sigh*

I think the best part is, a few lines after recommending that only humans be allowed to take the class, a elven arcanist is quoted, exploiting that very gimmick.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

The spell attached to the Uplift class is interesting. So apparently if awaken is cast on the uplift it can gain a higher Int and actually be able to speak, something several people in this thread have complained about.

However, awaken is Drd 5 and costs XP, while this spell is Drd 4. I'm not sure why any character would want to burn XP on one of these things.

An uplifted is apparently not sentient, despite having a humanoid form, since the spell is a Polymorph effect. If you want a sentient servant, you will need to Awaken it.

[Big Fau]

That Wiki's homebrew section is 90% crap.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

That Wiki's homebrew section is 90% crap.

Only 90%? I think you give it too much credit...

[Big Fau]

Only 90%? I think you give it too much credit...

Last I checked, the Wiki was cross-hosting the Tomes material. If so, there's the 10%.

Of course, YMMV on the Tome material itself.

[aabicus]

An uplifted is apparently not sentient, despite having a humanoid form, since the spell is a Polymorph effect. If you want a sentient servant, you will need to Awaken it.

I don't know, I think its trying to imply that an Uplift in in a state of semi-sentience, or something. Since an Uplift can learn to speak on its own by spending two skill points and all. Without awaken, each individual's sentience is dependent on their own willpower.

[OracleofWuffing]

However, awaken is Drd 5 and costs XP, while this spell is Drd 4. I'm not sure why any character would want to burn XP on one of these things.

Conceptually, you could invest in making the Uplifted stronger so you could gain more experience from killing it to offset the experience that you invested. That's like a niche of a niche of a use, though, and probably requires several DM adjudications to work.

Also, Dragon Warrior 4 spoiler,

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It's Healy.

[dextercorvia]

But even then, summons would take 5000 rounds to cast. WITHOUT that limit, any spell that takes "a standard action" or even "a swift action" to cast now takes... well, you figure it out.

Casting time isn't an effect, so that wouldn't be added to.

[ericgrau]

This class also isn't proficient with "any" weapon. Without optimization, it probably couldn't even hit something, let alone kill it. The "instinct" is the closest thing this class has to a game-breaker, but I can't find a creature feat that would be really, really useful.

Also, missmvicious is probably right. The page even lampshades it: "They do not tend to live very long."

The best I found so far for instinct was flyby attack. Add a magic item that gives temporary flight X/day and you have an ok hit and run combatant. Awesome blow + some method of large size is another option, though I dunno whether or not there are animals with awesome blow; I'd imagine there's one somewhere.

[Steward]

Conceptually, you could invest in making the Uplifted stronger so you could gain more experience from killing it to offset the experience that you invested. That's like a niche of a niche of a use, though, and probably requires several DM adjudications to work.

Also, Dragon Warrior 4 spoiler,

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It's Healy.

It worries me that a class's main benefits can barely -- with luck -- offset its drawbacks.

[aabicus]

The best I found so far for instinct was flyby attack. Add a magic item that gives temporary flight X/day and you have an ok hit and run combatant. Awesome blow + some method of large size is another option, though I dunno whether or not there are animals with awesome blow; I'd imagine there's one somewhere.

The tarrasque has Awesome Blow, though the fact that the spellcaster needs to pass a Will Save to convert the creature and on top of that the creature can negate with a fortitude save means that a tarrasque would be astronomically difficult to uplift. But of course we're talking hypothetically here anyway.

I agree that flyby attack is a great choice for the bonus feat though. Maybe add improved initiative and something that increases speed through offset flaws. If there was a way to move after attacking would be nice too.

[Amechra]

You know what breaks the Uplift?

Aspect of the Wolf+Feeblemind+Uplift Creature=You can uplift ANY creature.

Then use Heal on that little thing to give it back its intellect.

You know, or smack them with a Bestow Greater Curse... Mmm... Int 1 with barely a problem.

And that's pretty easy to remove, as well.

Only problem is that Aspect of the Wolf is Personal in range, but, well... the prereqs for a Spellguard of Silverymoon are so easy to get into... sure, it means that you don't actually gain any advancement to your spellcasting, but do this in Gestalt/on a cohort...

And the 4th level class feature for a Spellguard of Silverymoon is... the ability to use Personal range "defensive" spells as a Touch spell. So the spell has to give a bonus to AC, to Saves, or extra HP (the ability specifies this), and, hey, lookit that, it sets your Con to that of a Wolf, which, after another casting of Bestow Greater Curse, is ALWAYS a bonus to HP (which is one of the cases allowed in the Spellguard class feature).

So, as long as you can get an allied creature (one that, say, wanted to be a Human for some reason/plot) to willingly accept a pair of Curses, you can cast this spell on them and then Uplift them into bliss.

And then...

The Tarrasque. A level dip gets you Awesome Blow.

So... a level dip in a sucky class to get an Epic feat...

Wait, I can do it one better: You are an Uplifted Elder Titan. Your Instinct feat is Epic Spellcasting. Note that, while this is against flavor, this is TOTALLY allowed by the crunch.

Or, for other types of fun... a couple other Epic beasties would grant stuff like Spell Stowaway of your choice.