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2012-01-08, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Hey Amp, how many builds do we have submitted?
Best comment I've heard in a D&D game:
Our bard after succeeding in 2 4e grapple checks to slam a female opponent who kind of looks like Ayn Rand:
"I JUST POWERBOMBED AYN RAND!"
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2012-01-08, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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2012-01-08, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
We've still got some time; I'm taking every day I can.
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2012-01-08, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
How many Judges?
Roleplay is Important Alway come Prepared
Credit to the absolutely stunning Mavis Vermilion Avatar goes to the Amazing Ceika
I always Carouse, I never Peruse, it's much more fun to find things my way.
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2012-01-08, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
at least 5... I'm not willing to get an accurate count right now.
I can't work with this; Clay is unyeilding, and hard to sculpt with, but me trying to work this PrC is like a Clay-worker trying to work with solid granite. It just won't come.Demilich avatar by Smuchmuch. Thank you VERY much!
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2012-01-08, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
I agree with your general sentiment, but I would say that this PrC is more like ice. not only is it rigid and non-malleable, it is slippery and brittle as well. if one small mistake is made, it can ruin the whole sculpture unlike clay where you can score and slip and put on a new addition, if you crack the ice, it's all over.
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2012-01-08, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-08, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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2012-01-08, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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2012-01-08, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Best comment I've heard in a D&D game:
Our bard after succeeding in 2 4e grapple checks to slam a female opponent who kind of looks like Ayn Rand:
"I JUST POWERBOMBED AYN RAND!"
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2012-01-08, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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2012-01-08, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-09, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Roleplay is Important Alway come Prepared
Credit to the absolutely stunning Mavis Vermilion Avatar goes to the Amazing Ceika
I always Carouse, I never Peruse, it's much more fun to find things my way.
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2012-01-09, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
I have a build, pretty much completely done (formatting needs a bit of work)
My trouble is I did, then gave it a couple of days before having another look at it with fresh eyes, the fresh eyes saw that the build would actually be better with no levels of Cyro in it, so not sure I'll submit...I'll do a bit more thinking, before deadline however!Avatar(that seems to have disappeared) by Darwin
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2012-01-09, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Aah, I have a build submitted. Wanted to burn Frostburn in the process... Seemed like an appropriate ending for that book.
My personal folder is a graveyard of ideas, stuck in their dream phase.The "DM won't kill us" attitude is a bubble that sometimes needs to be bursted.Avatar courtesy of Linklele
There's an armor variant rule in UA that will drastically increase character survivability without completely bubble-wrapping them in plot invulnerabilityThrophies won:Spoiler
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2012-01-09, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Yeah, I've gone through two build stubs, and scratched both of them. One was a neat trick at best, but was too overly specific and required too much finagling just to make it work at all. The other one wasn't too bad, but it succeeded in spite of Cryokineticist, rather than because of it.
So long story short, I won't be competing. I'll try to post up judging criteria this evening.
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2012-01-09, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
If a character is useful in game with levels in this class, it is always in spite of the levels in this class.
Always.Originally Posted by Alabenson
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2012-01-09, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
What are the rules on 2 or more entries? I sort of just had an idea for another entry and I want to know about the rules on multiple entries before I move past the brainstorm stage.
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2012-01-09, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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2012-01-09, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
I'll have to bow out of this one. Like Piggy Knowles, my build gives Cryokineticist the finger and works in spite of the terribad class, rather than treat it like a PrC I actually want to take. On top of that, i've grown to dislike it anyway.
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2012-01-09, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Ok, good to know. I will try to rush in another one. It probably won't happen though. I went through 6 builds before I found the one entry that managed to work with Cryokineticist. It is incredibly tough to build with. Most angles end up either completely overshadowing cryo, or cryo is in direct war with the rest of the build, or it becomes harder and harder for cryo to justify its existance in the build (each draft of the builds had less and less levels of cryo until it was obvious that it just didn't earn the right to be in the build).
I stumbled upon an extra idea. It works on a story and roleplay angle. And it even works on a mechanical lvl. But after doing some light building it looks like it will fall into the last category of fail. I will keep working at it though. It would be nice to get the second entry done.
P.S. I hope you pick a more pleasurable choice for the next IC.
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2012-01-09, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist but you have ceased to live. - Samuel Clemens
Oh, and DFTBA.
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2012-01-09, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
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2012-01-09, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
OK, here's my judging criteria. Like most folks, I'll start at a 3.0, and then add or subtract from there.
Originality
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Let me preface this section by saying that I don't think originality is wholly contingent upon choice of class. Two builds can have the exact same class levels, and yet end up going in completely different directions. I also will not penalize you just because someone else has chosen the same class as you.
So what will gain you points? Use the abilities you have in fresh and interesting ways. Surprise me. Show me new combinations that I've never seen before. Meanwhile, using well-known builds will cause you to lose points.
Power
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There are two questions that will define how I rate a build's power. They are...
(1) How good is your build at its intended role?
(2) Will you stay relevant if your main "trick" does not work?
I don't expect every build to have 9th-level casting or manifesting, or to be able to bring the universe to its knees. However, if your build has a specific role or function, I expect you to be at least adequate at it. And if your build is a one-trick pony, it had better be a pretty good trick. I will deduct points if you can't function outside of a very limited set of parameters.
I'll also be looking for obvious ways your build could be improved (other than the most obvious "take fewer levels of Cryokineticist"). There's nothing wrong with sacrificing a little power for flavor, but if a choice makes you worse at your role, I will penalize for it. Just hope you make up the points in elegance or originality, I guess...
Finally, I don't plan to grade on a curve. I know this is a weak ingredient, but don't expect full points in Power if you've managed to just barely become adequate. Everyone's got the same ingredient to work with, after all.
Elegance
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Obscurity or using multitude of sources doesn't bother me, but for the love of Pelor, please cite your work! I am very familiar with the system, but I like to have the books in front of me when I'm reviewing a build. I also don't like too much mixing of setting-specific material. (Note that just because a class or feat appears in a setting book doesn't mean that I will consider it setting-specific; I'm referring to things like regional feats, feats and classes that involve certain setting-specific orders, etc.)
Now that that's out of the way... I don't mind dips, as long as they are reasonable and make sense. However, I will not ignore the "fluff" requirements of a class. If a prestige class requires you to be a member of the Wizards of the Unseen University and your build glosses over that requirement, expect to see a small deduction.
In any case, while I won't penalize for dips, I do like nice clean builds, where everything works in harmony, so you can pick up extra points that way. I will also give out small bonuses here if everything is written up cleanly, in an engaging manner. Nothing huge - the build is most important. But presentation DOES matter, and if you do a good job with it, I think you should be rewarded. I don't need three pages of backstory, but I do like to see more than a list of abilities.
I'm mildly cheese-tolerant - I don't mind characters being effective or using abilities in new and exciting ways, as long as the rules do indeed back you up. But this should be something you are willing to sit down with other human beings and actually play, so keep the Vieux Boulougne at home. Also, this should go without saying, but if a build element is illegal (failing to qualify for a feat/PrC, for instance), I will deduct for it.
Use of Secret Ingredient
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This one's pretty simple. Do you use the secret ingredient's abilities to good effect, or are they more of a footnote? Is there another class that could have done a better job at what you are trying to do? Your goal here is to highlight the cryokineticist, not to mask it. You will gain points by taking advantage of all the abilities provided, by using them in effective ways (an ability that would have been cool at level 6 won't score points with me if you don't pick it up until level 12), and by demonstrating how the SI brings your build together. You will lose points by dropping too many levels, failing to take advantage of the class's core abilities and pre-requisites, etc. You will automatically get minimum points here if you don't actually qualify for the PrC, so double-check those skill points!
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2012-01-10, 02:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
Well, I just submitted my build. I certainly hope that it's unique... I'm concerned about power, because I usually make much more powerful builds. I think, however, that I have enough in there for it to be serviceable if not amazing.
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2012-01-10, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
I... I think I actually have a build idea... lemme see if this works out as well as it does in my fevered imagination. If it does... well... it'll be interesting at least.
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2012-01-10, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
My personal folder is a graveyard of ideas, stuck in their dream phase.The "DM won't kill us" attitude is a bubble that sometimes needs to be bursted.Avatar courtesy of Linklele
There's an armor variant rule in UA that will drastically increase character survivability without completely bubble-wrapping them in plot invulnerabilityThrophies won:Spoiler
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2012-01-10, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
It says its amazing, thats what hallucinations are right, things to amazing for the mind to fully comprehend?
Unfortunately due to a virus wiping out my computer I wont be able to submit on time, so you'll have to count me out(I have to use a small internet cafe about 3km from my house, its nowhere near the bus routes and I dont own a car)
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2012-01-10, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2012-01-11, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground #XXVIII
I am trying so hard to make this class work. SO. HARD.
I've never felt like I was fighting the SI as much as now. Most of the time, finding synergy with halfway decent classes, or even GOOD classes is possible. Not here. No synergy, no easy exploits, no casting/manifesting/maneuvers/soulmelds/binding/mystery progression, NOTHING. I actually like Frostburn less than I did before this challenge.
I will MAKE THIS WORK.Iron Chef Award!
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