Bleach V: Well that was a waste of time (Fullbring? What's that?)

[Drolyt]

or maybe they do have to sacrifice their powers and this guy is just willing to go that far since ichigo is one of the uber-elites of SS.

wait, that can't be it. it would be smart and logical.

Assuming the thing Ishida did to get his powers back is repeatable perhaps the idea is that they use it when facing major threats like Ichigo or the Captains and then duck out of the war until they can get their powers back.

[Gilphon]

I wouldn't call something that guarantees your side will lose one of their higher level fighters for a result you had a chance of achieving without sacrifice smart or logical.

Especially given that doing so would make you both expendable and working for a guy who kills his underlings for barely-existant reasons.

[Drolyt]

I wouldn't call something that guarantees your side will lose one of their higher level fighters for a result you had a chance of achieving without sacrifice smart or logical.

Especially given that doing so would make you both expendable and working for a guy who kills his underlings for barely-existant reasons.

I'm still not clear on whether that was general policy, or only Arrancar are treated that way? Regardless if sacrificing your powers allows you to defeat much stronger enemies like how Ishida took out Mayuri then it could still be worth it, especially if you would die otherwise.

[thubby]

I wouldn't call something that guarantees your side will lose one of their higher level fighters for a result you had a chance of achieving without sacrifice smart or logical.

Especially given that doing so would make you both expendable and working for a guy who kills his underlings for barely-existant reasons.

i get the impression that's an anti-hollow sentiment.

regardless, seeing how ichigo is physically grabbing this guys arrows, and that he's the first enemy team ichigo is encountering, it's safe to assume this mook is outclassed.

[MammonAzrael]

It's just refreshing to see Ichigo using his sans-sword capabilities again.

[Psyren]

Good to see the Fullbring nonsense did serve SOME purpose. (i.e. causing Ichigo to drastically outlevel this idiot.)

Urahara and Pesche? SNL, eat your heart out.

[Infernally Clay]

Good to see the Fullbring nonsense did serve SOME purpose. (i.e. causing Ichigo to drastically outlevel this idiot.)

Urahara and Pesche? SNL, eat your heart out.

We don't yet know the full implication of Fullbring, so I wouldn't call it nonsense. When the second Turn Back the Pendulum arc begins, we should get a lot of information about who Ginjou was, how he went from a Substitute Shinigami to a Fullbringer and what Fullbring actually is. It's kind of obvious that the current explanations don't fit.

[JadePhoenix]

Wait, Rukia is a vice-captain now?! In which division?

[Tavar]

Wait, Rukia is a vice-captain now?! In which division?

The 13th, I believe.

[VanBuren]

We don't yet know the full implication of Fullbring, so I wouldn't call it nonsense. When the second Turn Back the Pendulum arc begins, we should get a lot of information about who Ginjou was, how he went from a Substitute Shinigami to a Fullbringer and what Fullbring actually is. It's kind of obvious that the current explanations don't fit.

True. Especially since the explanation we were given was that you get Fullbring by having your mother attacked by a Hollow when you're in the womb, which we know didn't happen with Ichigo.

I just assumed it was piggybacking off of his own Hollow abilities--which I'm not even sure he still has.

[Tavar]

True. Especially since the explanation we were given was that you get Fullbring by having your mother attacked by a Hollow when you're in the womb, which we know didn't happen with Ichigo.

I just assumed it was piggybacking off of his own Hollow abilities--which I'm not even sure he still has.

How do we know that? We know that she didn't die from the attack if there was one, but people survive hollow attacks: look at Chad. Or Orihime.

[thubby]

i think contact with high spiritual powers is what causes powers to show up in otherwise normal people.

full-bringers just figured out a way to use outside power sources to supplement their strength that they can only access from things they have a strong connection with.

[HandofShadows]

I just assumed it was piggybacking off of his own Hollow abilities--which I'm not even sure he still has.

There are some clues that his Hollow powers are still intact. For one his Soul Reaper form is a lot in common with his Fullbring (look at the arms) which is Hollow based. Also his Bankai was able to withstand a trap designed to destroy/disable a Bankai. Which would indicate that Ichigo is still rather different than a normal Soul Reaper. Rukia states that Ginjo was only able to steal a *small* part of Ichigo's power that was fused with his Fullbring. By now I expect Ichigo has recovered whatever power that was stolen.

I expect to see a really interesting Hollowification out of Ichigo when the right time comes. Not a mask. At the very least something like a helmet or maybe even a partial suit of armor.

[VanBuren]

How do we know that? We know that she didn't die from the attack if there was one, but people survive hollow attacks: look at Chad. Or Orihime.

When was she attacked then?

There are some clues that his Hollow powers are still intact. For one his Soul Reaper form is a lot in common with his Fullbring (look at the arms) which is Hollow based. Also his Bankai was able to withstand a trap designed to destroy/disable a Bankai. Which would indicate that Ichigo is still rather different than a normal Soul Reaper. Rukia states that Ginjo was only able to steal a *small* part of Ichigo's power that was fused with his Fullbring. By now I expect Ichigo has recovered whatever power that was stolen.

I expect to see a really interesting Hollowification out of Ichigo when the right time comes. Not a mask. At the very least something like a helmet or maybe even a partial suit of armor.

But the Deicide arc heavily implied that Zangetsu and Shirosaki no longer exist as separate entities.

[Mando Knight]

But the Deicide arc heavily implied that Zangetsu and Shirosaki no longer exist as separate entities.

If they ever even were...

[jindra34]

If they ever even were...

I'm trying to remember if either of them ever gave any evidence of them being anything else other than the wild/controlled (hollow/shinigami) sides of Ichigo's personality. I do remember his inner hollow at one point saying that he was essentially another side to Zangetsu. So I agree they never really were to seperate entities.

[Tavar]

When was she attacked then?

Umm...going by the rules of Fullbringing, some time after conception, but before birth. That's about a 9 month window, and unless you have some hidden information, we know jack about it.

[jindra34]

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Well that was interesting. Looks like this guys should have stomped harder on his foes. Now lets see what he does against Allon (sp?) and Ichigo. Sloppy work dude.

[Callos_DeTerran]

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Well that was interesting. Looks like this guys should have stomped harder on his foes. Now lets see what he does against Allon (sp?) and Ichigo. Sloppy work dude.

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Buwhahahahahaha! AYON! Let's see what Mr. Quincy can do against that abomination that took on Yamamoto and took more then a few hits to die. Not to mention the fact it seemed to actually hurt him...how strong is Ayon? Cause it's range is 'curb-stomp several lieutenants' to 'lose to Yamamoto'....Aizen fell in that range for crikies sake!

[MammonAzrael]

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Buwhahahahahaha! AYON! Let's see what Mr. Quincy can do against that abomination that took on Yamamoto and took more then a few hits to die. Not to mention the fact it seemed to actually hurt him...how strong is Ayon? Cause it's range is 'curb-stomp several lieutenants' to 'lose to Yamamoto'....Aizen fell in that range for crikies sake!

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All we know is that it's supposed to be stupidly strong. I can't wait.

And this is one of the most surprising, and pleasing, twists I've seen from Bleach in a long time. Those three were shown as powerful, and it's nice to see them get back up and stick it to the arrogant Quincy.

Also looking forward to hearing from Ishida...and his father!

[Tvtyrant]

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Makes me so happy! Yay giant evil monster!

[KnightDisciple]

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The best part was Ichigo saying how it's for the best Ishida didn't have this power, because if he had "such a sad excuse for a costume, he'd have to cut him down out of principle".
Funny, and it shows the dynamic Ichigo and Ishida have.

[VanBuren]

Uh-oh guys. He stood up to Ichigo's shikai. Looks like we're dealing with a badass here.

[Anteros]

You guys are all crazy. That thing is going to get destroyed in 1 shot.

[Madara]

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Hey look its that monster from last season. Wasn't it destroyed by Yamato? I don't remember because it was so long ago and not very memorable

[thubby]

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Hey look its that monster from last season. Wasn't it destroyed by Yamato? I don't remember because it was so long ago and not very memorable

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since it's created from those 3 arrancar, they can probably recreate it so long as they have the necessary power.
and maybe it was just the anime version, but i thought he was cool

[The Troubadour]

One thing I'm curious about: I assume Ichigo isn't on the same power level he was when he attained the Final Getsuga Tenshou. But what is his currently power level? It seems as if he's a lot stronger than "baseline" Ichigo from the Hueco Mundo arc (that is, using Bankai but not his Vizard powers), but is he as strong as he was when using his full range of abilities (Bankai + Hollow mask)? Stronger?

[MammonAzrael]

You guys are all crazy. That thing is going to get destroyed in 1 shot.

Very possibly. But consider that it effortless wasted it's opponents until Old Man Yama himself destroyed it. We have no real idea how strong it is.

That said, it doesn't matter how well it does (to me at least). The important thing is that the Fraccion were not completely dead and are still willing and able to fight.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

One thing I'm curious about: I assume Ichigo isn't on the same power level he was when he attained the Final Getsuga Tenshou. But what is his currently power level? It seems as if he's a lot stronger than "baseline" Ichigo from the Hueco Mundo arc (that is, using Bankai but not his Vizard powers), but is he as strong as he was when using his full range of abilities (Bankai + Hollow mask)? Stronger?

Below Final Getsuga or Full Hollow, above Bankai+Vizard would be my guess.

Uh-oh guys. He stood up to Ichigo's shikai. Looks like we're dealing with a badass here.

Hahahaha

[Socratov]

Uh-oh guys. He stood up to Ichigo's shikai. Looks like we're dealing with a badass here.

nice one

although, we know that while Ichigo's bankai straight up increses hiw powerlevel, it doesn't add something unique, so why yes, it is acutally doable to stand up to Ichigo's Bankai since it basically means standing up to Ichigo with a little more effort... *runs from the revolting mobs*