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    Quote Originally Posted by Flemkopf View Post
    his armor acts like a Faraday Cage.
    just a quick note: Full plate in PnP does not have Quilted/Padded armor under it


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    Quote Originally Posted by toapat View Post
    just a quick note: Full plate in PnP does not have Quilted/Padded armor under it
    Er, how would you know, and why would you suppose this?
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    From Player's Handbook, 3.5


    This armor consists of shaped and fitted metal plates [...] includes gauntlets, heavy leather boots, a visored helmet and a thick layer of padding that is worn beneath the armor.


    Emphasis added. Real life metal armors included underarmor as well-it prevented chafing, burning and other such maladies that would have resulted otherwise.

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    As someone who has fought in plate armor, I can tell you that I would rather wear no plate armor at all than unpadded plate armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuggyne View Post
    Er, how would you know, and why would you suppose this?
    it doesnt actually account for the weight in the PhP despite the fact it describes it being there. there also is a distinct lack of rules for putting the quilted armor on without putting on the full plate

    Realistically, ya, you would never want to wear full plate without padding, although you could perhaps get away without anything under a very well made breastplate
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    Quote Originally Posted by toapat View Post
    it doesnt actually account for the weight in the PhP despite the fact it describes it being there. there also is a distinct lack of rules for putting the quilted armor on without putting on the full plate
    Fairly sure that the padding, while thick and sturdy, is not technically made for standalone armor, so it would be a really weird cornercase to allow someone to partially don armor and get almost the benefits of padded armor. I.e., it's an acceptable break from full simulation.

    As far as the weight goes, I'm given to understand that 50lbs is not an unreasonable figure for the entire suit: padding, plates, accessories, and all; rapidly comparing it with 10lb for regular padded armor doesn't show any very obvious discrepancy, either.
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    Most functional plate armor isn't as thick as you would think it would need to be; somewhere between ~20 gauge (0.0359 inches) and ~10 gauge (0.1345 inches). The thickest parts of armor were of course the Cuiress (torso) and helm. The thicknesses are approximations based on my knowledge of metals and physics as I have sadly never had the chance to get a close look at real combat armor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tuggyne View Post
    As far as the weight goes, I'm given to understand that 50lbs is not an unreasonable figure for the entire suit: padding, plates, accessories, and all; rapidly comparing it with 10lb for regular padded armor doesn't show any very obvious discrepancy, either.
    60 Lbs is the average for period armor with the padding, DnD full plate is made for people who are typically even larger, as well as only weighing 50 lbs.

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    *I may not have a crusader cohort that is a better paladin than the PC paladin
    Just a quick point: Crusaders only make better "Paladins" when you are taking the default fluff stance for paladin. Paladin Mechanics better support them as doctors or as mage slayers.
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    ***If I do start a trading empire I am to trade things such as commodities and spices, not humanoid organs.
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    you do know Pelor is CE, Right?
    That is definitely not true. He's the Neutral Good god of the Sun, Light, Strength, and Healing. He was originally in Greyhawk but he carried through all the way to 3.5 where Jozan the Cleric worships him. I don't know if he exists in 4e.
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    That is definitely not true. He's the Neutral Good god of the Sun, Light, Strength, and Healing. He was originally in Greyhawk but he carried through all the way to 3.5 where Jozan the Cleric worships him. I don't know if he exists in 4e.
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    Oh my. I'd never seen that before. Alas, twas I that hath not done mine homework. My apologies, Toapat, I remove my hat to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelb_Panthera View Post
    Toapat was referencing Pelor the Burning Hate. Google it.
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    Oh my. I'd never seen that before. Alas, twas I that hath not done mine homework. My apologies, Toapat, I remove my hat to you.
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    you do know Pelor is CE, Right?
    Even The Burning Hate is not CE; NE is the usual assumption.
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    * I may not insist in-character that Pelor is any variety of Evil.
    ** Especially not if I am capable of out-arguing/debating the Cleric/Paladin of Pelor on that point.
    *** When I suddenly become a valid target for Smiting after doing the above, I am not to cite that as further evidence.
    ****If i am Arguing that Pelor is Evil, i better damn well be evil before i start doing so. Otherwise the paladin of Slaughter 10/Blackguard 10 is going to rip me in half with his completely overpowered class interaction glitch
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuggyne View Post
    Even The Burning Hate is not CE; NE is the usual assumption.
    4th post in the topic, they posted the original statblock for pelor (which even in lore is more accurate then the one in Deities and Demigods)
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    Quote Originally Posted by toapat View Post
    4th post in the topic, they posted the original statblock for pelor (which even in lore is more accurate then the one in Deities and Demigods)
    Yeah, I'm aware of the thread, but that post (which is no more official than anything else, that I know of) disagrees with the OP on its chosen alignment, which is why I said usually NE.

    Anyway, back on track.

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    *The DM (not the sourcebooks; not some random people on the internet) says what alignment all npcs are. This includes gods. No arguing.
    **He also decides what the alignment of each PC is, based on how they act. Still no arguing.
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    There's a lot of things I'm not allowed to do now, but most of them are covered by the list already... Hope the following are exceptions.

    * May not play a level 1 expert with a +22 diplomacy check
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    * I may not allow arguments on whether Pelor is NE or CE to stall the game session.

    ** I may never mention Pelor or his alignment in this thread ever again.

    *The halfling will not die if I sit on him.
    **If he performs a devastating sneak attack from beneath me I am not to complain.
    ***I am not to assume that all halflings are rogues, they find it offensive.
    ****No, not even if it happens to be true in this case.
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    ** I may never mention Pelor or his alignment in this thread ever again.
    ***Pelor is banned from all campaigns unless the group agrees on his alignment
    ****Groups will never agree on his alignment
    *****Pelor has been replaced by Sunny, God of Sunshine, love, and Rainbows. He is a NG god of sun and vagueness


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    I may no longer have characters that take Improved Combat Expertise, and have better to hit and damage than the party's Big Stupid Fighter while at full combat expertise.

    Especially as a monk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toapat View Post
    ***Pelor is banned from all campaigns unless the group agrees on his alignment
    ****Groups will never agree on his alignment
    *****Pelor has been replaced by Sunny, God of Sunshine, love, and Rainbows. He is a NG god of sun and vagueness
    Not to go off-topic but this flew over my head... Why is the alignment of Pelor up for debate? I just need a quick reference to get the joke...
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    She was fine, and her babies got to find out that their mom was badass. I was traumatised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalmageddon View Post
    Not to go off-topic but this flew over my head... Why is the alignment of Pelor up for debate? I just need a quick reference to get the joke...
    Because this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Riverdance View Post
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    Oh my... Now I'm convinced he's evil... o_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggling Goth View Post
    The only time in my life I've used my karate training was in blocking that goose from my face. She bounced off my jodan age uke, hit the floor, got up, and came back for two more attempts.

    And it's not like she gave up at that point. I just grabbed my bike and ran.

    She was fine, and her babies got to find out that their mom was badass. I was traumatised.

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    Oh my... Now I'm convinced he's evil... o_o
    **Will not agree on what measure of evil is Pelor, and thus pelor will remain banned


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    ***Pelor is banned from all campaigns unless the group agrees on his alignment
    ****Groups will never agree on his alignment
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    ******Will not start arguments over whether Sunny is also the god of lollipops.
    *******He is


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