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    Quote Originally Posted by multilis View Post
    In his mind, Redcloak justifies himself to his brother who was killed by X.
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    IIRC RC killed his own brother to protect X

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    IIRC RC killed his own brother to protect X
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    Yes, he did. He didn't raise him from the dead because Xykon ordered him not to, mind you--he zombified the corpse instead.

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    Ummmm... Never mind. Seriously.

    No, really, never mind.
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    Yes, he did. He didn't raise him from the dead because Xykon ordered him not to, mind you--he zombified the corpse instead.
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    Xykon actually did not order his to NOT raise him. He just said that he didn't have the nuts to do it.












    Get it right please

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaddix View Post
    the resistance itself was never a side. the azurites though especially the remaining paladins who make up the leadership are a side I suppose. as they are allies of the OOTS but i am not sure they count as a distinct side or not.

    Still I Count so far at most 8. and I suppose if u want to stretch the ninth are the Gods themselves.

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    It's possible that the remaining Scribbleites will be more than one side. I know so far it looks like it was more or less Soon vs. the rest of them, but of course what we've learned so far would focus on Soon's role in the group.

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    And does anyone else think it possible (unlikely, but possible) that Redcloak and his God may be seperate sides? We don't know how much of what the Dark One told Redcloak is true, and how Redcloak's priorities may change in the future.

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    Xykon actually did not order his to NOT raise him. He just said that he didn't have the nuts to do it.


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    That's correct but Xykon implied another reason for that "nutlessness".

    He asked RC if he wanted to live with a brother who knew, that RC has chosen Xykon instead of him.

    One of X's strongest moments imo.
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    I counted five possible associations for the title:

    * Resistance: crushed metaphorically
    * Resistance: crushed literally
    * Thanh: crushed personally
    * Niu: crushed emotionally
    * Thanh: crushed upon by Niu

    I'm impressed. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeping eagle View Post
    * Thanh: crushed upon by Niu
    I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    I don't get it.
    Niu has a "crush" on Thanh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaethrag View Post
    Niu has a "crush" on Thanh.
    or married him secretly and carrying his child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t209 View Post
    or married him secretly and carrying his child.
    If she had, one or both of their parting words would probably have been "I love you". As it is, it's much more likely that she developed a crush on him now because of his bravery. If she survives, maybe someday she and a resurrected Thanh will have the chance to let that crush grow into something more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holy_Knight View Post
    If she had, one or both of their parting words would probably have been "I love you". As it is, it's much more likely that she developed a crush on him now because of his bravery. If she survives, maybe someday she and a resurrected Thanh will have the chance to let that crush grow into something more.
    Kinda have to agree on that. The "secret marriage and pregnancy" theory, as far as I can tell, kind of sprang out of nowhere? I can't see any hints in the comic that could even lead me to suspect this, but it is a theory that I like a lot, but don't find terribly credible at all. I would like to see a rezzed Thanh reunite with Niu in the epilogue, but with the relative rarity of rezzes that have taken place (they didn't even try to rez Shojo, to my knowledge), I'm not so sure that will play out. I really want all the remaining Sapphire Guard to live after the Azure War, and now they're one less in number. Sadface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holy_Knight View Post
    If she had, one or both of their parting words would probably have been "I love you". As it is, it's much more likely that she developed a crush on him now because of his bravery. If she survives, maybe someday she and a resurrected Thanh will have the chance to let that crush grow into something more.
    And Eyepatch girl too. I wanted to see if resurrection would heal an missing eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Kinda have to agree on that. The "secret marriage and pregnancy" theory, as far as I can tell, kind of sprang out of nowhere? I can't see any hints in the comic that could even lead me to suspect this, but it is a theory that I like a lot, but don't find terribly credible at all.
    I agree. Came out of the fevered imaginations on this forum.

    I would like to see a rezzed Thanh reunite with Niu in the epilogue, but with the relative rarity of rezzes that have taken place (they didn't even try to rez Shojo, to my knowledge), I'm not so sure that will play out. I really want all the remaining Sapphire Guard to live after the Azure War, and now they're one less in number. Sadface.
    They did try to rez Shojo; he refused to be rezzed.

    For rezzes in general, there needs to be someone who really wants the person rezzed, enough that they'll fork out 5000 gp (a large amount for most NPCs) plus having part of the body. Niu may want him rezzed that badly. She may or may not have the money. His body is inaccessible, though.
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    Y'know, after taking another glance at the strip, I'm curious as to why the devils/elementals/whatevers cleaned up the corpses of the humans and elves but leave the body of the hobgoblin spy?

    Maybe RC is planning to display the bodies as proof that the Resistance has been demolished, but he can't display the hobbie? Or maybe the perspective in the panels changed and there has been no cleanup?

    I can't remember whether this was discussed earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtilque View Post
    They did try to rez Shojo; he refused to be rezzed.
    Huh. Don't remember that. Maybe it was in a bonus comic in one of the books? I don't have the two middle ones, where that would have taken place. In any event, thanks. That's another thing I meant to say in that, that rezzes are rare both because of the cost and abilities required not exactly being common, and also because of the desire for the deceased to return.

    For rezzes in general, there needs to be someone who really wants the person rezzed, enough that they'll fork out 5000 gp (a large amount for most NPCs) plus having part of the body. Niu may want him rezzed that badly. She may or may not have the money. His body is inaccessible, though.
    Well, a True Rez would negate needing his body, which is pretty much out of the equation by now, yeah. And with the incredibly high level and cost of that (it's what, five times the cost of a standard rez? In diamonds, specifically?) needed, I doubt that would be very probable at all. Still, though, I can hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaethrag View Post
    Y'know, after taking another glance at the strip, I'm curious as to why the devils/elementals/whatevers cleaned up the corpses of the humans and elves but leave the body of the hobgoblin spy?

    Maybe RC is planning to display the bodies as proof that the Resistance has been demolished, but he can't display the hobbie? Or maybe the perspective in the panels changed and there has been no cleanup?

    I can't remember whether this was discussed earlier in this thread.
    They didn't remove the bodies. They hung them all around the room. You know, to gloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    They didn't remove the bodies. They hung them all around the room. You know, to gloat.
    But there wasn't any gloating done in this comic. It was:
    a) Kill the last members of the Resistance.
    b) Bring down the house.


    Or have I gotten completely confused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaethrag View Post
    But there wasn't any gloating done in this comic. It was:
    a) Kill the last members of the Resistance.
    b) Bring down the house.


    Or have I gotten completely confused?
    Gloating/demoralizing the returning members. As in, not only did he kill the entire resistance, he did it so quickly that he had more than enough time to decorate the base with their bodies while waiting for the away team to return. A blatant show of power, solely for the benefit of Thanh and Co. After sweep-up with last remaining Resistance members, Redcloak was gonna bring down the house anyway, so all other reasons aside, why even bother hanging the last body?

    EDIT: All other reasons:
    The spy was not part of the resistance, and did not deserve to be lumped in with them.
    The spy was working for Redcloak, and deserved some respect.
    The spy was a goblin, the species Redcloak is trying to bring up.
    The spy was going to be killed, yes, but to keep knowledge at a minimum, and Redcloak was not happy about that necessity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Huh. Don't remember that. [attempt at Shojo rez]
    here

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtilque View Post
    Hey, apparently my memory just sucks. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaethrag View Post
    But there wasn't any gloating done in this comic. It was:
    a) Kill the last members of the Resistance.
    b) Bring down the house.


    Or have I gotten completely confused?
    I dont see any cleanup, just one of the devils happening to still be holding a corpse and the view zooming in on the goblin spy such that the other nearby corpses are not in frame anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AniThyng View Post
    I dont see any cleanup, just one of the devils happening to still be holding a corpse and the view zooming in on the goblin spy such that the other nearby corpses are not in frame anymore.
    I didn't see that scene as "cleanup". It seemed like devils were playing with corpses in a nasty way, or else decorating the room in a manner that pleased them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AniThyng View Post
    I dont see any cleanup, just one of the devils happening to still be holding a corpse and the view zooming in on the goblin spy such that the other nearby corpses are not in frame anymore.
    What I was referring to was that in panel 7 there are bodies scattered about, including that of the spy. In panel 11, Thanh's corpse is dumped directly next to the spy, and you can also see part of another body. Then, in panel 13, you can see the spy's body but no others. I figure the most likely thing* is just that the perspective has shifted in a bit and the others are out of frame, but it's hard to be sure given that the spy doesn't seem to be any closer to the "camera" than before.


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    *Actually, for me the most likely thing is that it's a nit-picky detail that doesn't matter and so wasn't addressed. I know that if I were making the comic I certainly wouldn't be detail-oriented enough to worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rewinn View Post
    I didn't see that scene as "cleanup". It seemed like devils were playing with corpses in a nasty way, or else decorating the room in a manner that pleased them.
    It's actually cleaning up. I mean like, Redcloak knew that the resistance could be revived (even in slight chance) and needed corpses for soldiers (I can't even dare to think Thanh turned into zombie vampire blackguard or part of giant meat golem) BRRRR!
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    You know, I just realized--Redcloak's Earthquake just turned an entire mountain into a memorial for the Resistance. That's a heck of a funeral monument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t209 View Post
    or married him secretly and carrying his child.
    Even though I somehow suspect this wasn't meant entirely seriously, I have to wonder where people are getting this "romantic subtext" thing from. Can't there be such a thing as a platonic touching goodbye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    Even though I somehow suspect this wasn't meant entirely seriously, I have to wonder where people are getting this "romantic subtext" thing from. Can't there be such a thing as a platonic touching goodbye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    Even though I somehow suspect this wasn't meant entirely seriously, I have to wonder where people are getting this "romantic subtext" thing from. Can't there be such a thing as a platonic touching goodbye?
    Indeed, I read it entirely as Niu having respect for Thahn being brave, and regretting his death as anyone would a friend and comrade-in-arms. Nothing romantic about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiffet View Post
    You must be unfamiliar with fandoms. Nothing is ever platonic. Nothing.
    Oh, I'm familiar with fandoms. But that doesn't mean I intend to yield my position as the lone (well, nearly lone - good man, Palthera!) defense against the black tides of 'shipping.

    Although it still was a serious question, given the relatively tongue-out-of-cheek nature of the comments.

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