Skyrim IV: Oblivion

[Howler Dagger]

So, I just got Skyrim and I have murdered thee entire population of Riverwood. Is this a problem?

[druid91]

Creating a ghetto for one non-Nord race and fencing another off at the Docks? Ulfric sure is a hero.

IIRC the Dunmer made that Ghetto themselves. They wallow in their fake oppression and so the place falls apart around them.

I still question why the heck Argonians are up north anyway. I could maybe understand Riften. But windhelm? It's always snowing there. They should be freezing to death just trying to reach the place.

So, I just got Skyrim and I have murdered thee entire population of Riverwood. Is this a problem?

That depends. Most of them are quest givers so they should get back up.

As for the rest... can you kill them faster than they can kill you?

[Howler Dagger]

That depends. Most of them are quest givers so they should get back up.

As for the rest... can you kill them faster than they can kill you?

No, I actually killed most of them, but I have already served my time for my 2000 gold bounty

[t209]

IIRC the Dunmer made that Ghetto themselves. They wallow in their fake oppression and so the place falls apart around them.

I still question why the heck Argonians are up north anyway. I could maybe understand Riften. But windhelm? It's always snowing there. They should be freezing to death just trying to reach the place.

Dunmer told me that Ulfric taxed them more than other people.
For Argonians, maybe Windhelm is much more near than Riften.
IIRC, that a group of Nord thought that Dunmers were spies to Imperials and the Aldmeri Dominion.
Does Nord and Dunmer racial tension (Since the war with Chimer with Dwemer allies) has to do with Viking hatred of Trow (Viking version of Drow except they're white)?

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Don't forget about how Ulfric attacked Forsworn invaders. According to this post, They're just different.

P.S- what is race relation between Nords and Orcs (Both of them are about hitting people)?

[druid91]

Dunmer told me that Ulfric taxed them more than other people.
For Argonians, maybe Windhelm is much more near than Riften.
IIRC, that a group of Nord thought that Dunmers were spies to Imperials and the Aldmeri Dominion.
Does Nord and Dunmer racial tension (Since the war with Chimer with Dwemer allies) has to do with Viking hatred of Trow (Viking version of Drow except they're white)?

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Don't forget about how Ulfric attacked Forsworn invaders. According to this post, They're just different.

P.S- what is race relation between Nords and Orcs (Both of them are about hitting people)?

And one of the Dunmer living in the gray quarter told me that he was ashamed of his family, just as they were ashamed of him. Because he decided to go out and work for a living. Instead of simply blaming it on discrimination and do nothing. All things point to it being the dunmer community collectively playing the victim card to get by.

Windhelm is almost as far up north as Winterhold. They'd have to pass through riften to get there.

[Silverraptor]

No, I actually killed most of them, but I have already served my time for my 2000 gold bounty

You know, this actually disturbs me. Most people would get life imprisonment or years for killing someone. In skyrim, looks like just a few days.

O.O

[druid91]

You know, this actually disturbs me. Most people would get life imprisonment or years for killing someone. In skyrim, looks like just a few days.

O.O

Hey, I killed 23 people. 22 of which were Guards trying to arrest me for the first murder.

My penalty? About a week in jail. About a month later when they finally replaced the guards.

[Grue Bait]

You know, this actually disturbs me. Most people would get life imprisonment or years for killing someone. In skyrim, looks like just a few days.

O.O

Heh. Not even that. Walk into a small town like Rorikstead, and use the Storm Call shout. It'll kill almost everybody there, and you should be able to wipe up the stragglers. No bounty if nobody sees, see?

Needless to say, my character is of less than good moral standing.

[Knight13]

Smithing remains on pace to be my 2nd skill to 100, thanks to being sent to a second dwarven ruin for one of those "nifty ability" quests (Unfathomable Depths).

Heh, you probably should have done that one first, since the ability you get at the end of Avanchnzel makes your blacksmithing go up 15% faster. It's usually one of the first quests I do.

[t209]

Heh, you probably should have done that one first, since the ability you get at the end of Avanchnzel makes your blacksmithing go up 15% faster. It's usually one of the first quests I do.

Plug you get better stat with Dwarven Armor.

[TheEmerged]

Heh, you probably should have done that one first, since the ability you get at the end of Avanchnzel makes your blacksmithing go up 15% faster. It's usually one of the first quests I do.

Yeah, when I read through them the first time I only noticed the +armor bonus when wearing Dwarven armor and I always go with Light armor in these games. I won't complain too hard, it served those last 20 points of smithing skillups well. I officially scored 100 last night with the purchase of 6 extra dwarven ingots.

I also shored up my Light Armor skill with the help of a couple of mudcrabs just outside Whiterun. It didn't quite hit 90, but it got high enough I'm not worried about doing so now. I actually got 2 levels between it and block alone, and nearly got a third one before I was interrupted by an elder dragon

Just for the record, I got more skillups from those 2 mudcrabs than I did with a sabre cat I tried it with first. The sabre cat wasted most of its time trying to flank me.

My "training" set is somewhat amusing, actually. I forgot a Fortify Skill enchant can't go on head or feet, so I ended up enchanting the head with waterbreathing and the feet with Carry Weight. Between the six pieces, my Light Armor skill is in the 180's when wearing this set.

My first test with a +Enchanting potion was a disappointment though. It only lasted long enough for me to make 1 item, and that was with a 3-ingredient potion. Guess I'd better level Alchemy some more then...

[Silverraptor]

In Sovengard. Aulduin's days are numbered to less than 1.

[t209]

Do you think Redguards (before Oblivion) are meant to be played as Dashing Swordsmen (Redguards are adventurers and proficient with long blade)? Except Elderscrolls started this in the game before D&D or this strip (Elderscrolls Adventures: Redguards).

[Arcran]

DnD was around long before Elder Scrolls.

[pffh]

Do you think Redguards (before Oblivion) are meant to be played as Dashing Swordsmen (Redguards are adventurers and proficient with long blade)? Except Elderscrolls started this in the game before D&D or this strip (Elderscrolls Adventures: Redguards).

They also got bonuses to heavy armor, medium armor, axes, blunt weapons, short blades and athletics so in a word no. They are the ultimate soldier.

[Arcran]

If anything the Skyrim Nords would be the closest due to Light Armor, One-Handed and Speech, but even that is a pretty major stretch. Dashing Swordsman isn't really fitting in TES universe.

[Howler Dagger]

Do Khajit claws benefit from the One-Handed perk?

[Flickerdart]

You mean the perk tree? As far as I know, no.

[t209]

If anything the Skyrim Nords would be the closest due to Light Armor, One-Handed and Speech, but even that is a pretty major stretch. Dashing Swordsman isn't really fitting in TES universe.

No They're barbarians (Dashing swordsmen's rapier are one handed while Nord favors going conan (greatsword) or going viking (great axe)).
I think I mistake Cyrus as typical redguard (Cyrus is more of a dashing swordsman).
P.S- Do you think Thalmors are Genre Savvy about players

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infiltrating their HQ and read about Ulfric Stormcloak

? I mean according TV Trope, if I side with the empire, thalmor can benefit from White Gold Concordat. But if Stormcloaks win, Empire will be destabilized and skyrim could fall due to lack of allies.
I am feeling that Skyrim is Elderscrolls version of Azure City Resistance arc (Nearly Good Guys are losing and bad guys are winning).

[Arcran]

I was simply going off of your logic of Good with Sword+Adventurer=Dashing Swordsman.

And no, the Empire is like the Roman Empire far more than the Azure City arc. Outer reaches rebelling against it and a foreign force decimating them? Anyways, the enitre Empire is based off of Rome. Azure City resistance is an underequipped band fighting against overwhelming odds. The Empire is a powerful political body that has lost control over its own people resulting in an opening that the Thalmor decided to exploit.

[t209]

I was simply going off of your logic of Good with Sword+Adventurer=Dashing Swordsman.

And no, the Empire is like the Roman Empire far more than the Azure City arc. Outer reaches rebelling against it and a foreign force decimating them? Anyways, the enitre Empire is based off of Rome. Azure City resistance is an underequipped band fighting against overwhelming odds. The Empire is a powerful political body that has lost control over its own people resulting in an opening that the Thalmor decided to exploit.

No what i mean is that Playing skyrim is like reading the strip 825-827 of OOTS. Watching the empire that you have supported for entire Elderscrolls saga crumbles is kinda sad. No matter how you side with any factions in Civil War, Thalmor still wins.

[Flickerdart]

Nah. The Thalmor win if you let both sides fight. An end to the Skyrim conflict either way means that the Empire is no longer distracted by Skyrim.

[t209]

Nah. The Thalmor win if you let both sides fight. An end to the Skyrim conflict either way means that the Empire is no longer distracted by Skyrim.

But The empire will still licking the boots of Thalmor, so thalmor still wins.
Plus their army will be weak from the fighting (well, not as weak as stalemate but still weak).
I only chose Empire because Ulfric Stormcloak is a

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Thalmor agent

and I like Tulius better. I hope I chose the right faction.

[Flickerdart]

Plus their army will be weak from the fighting (well, not as weak as stalemate but still weak).

Not really. The amount of Imperial forces in Skyrim was fairly minimal, all things considered. Most of them were Nords themselves.

[druid91]

But The empire will still licking the boots of Thalmor, so thalmor still wins.
Plus their army will be weak from the fighting (well, not as weak as stalemate but still weak).
I only chose Empire because Ulfric Stormcloak is a

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Thalmor agent

and I like Tulius better. I hope I chose the right faction.

Ulfric stormcloak is a thalmor asset Not an agent.

His rebellion distracts the empire so it's good for the Thalmor.

A stormcloak skyrim would be a nightmare for the Thalmor.

[Archpaladin Zousha]

Ulfric stormcloak is a thalmor asset Not an agent.

His rebellion distracts the empire so it's good for the Thalmor.

A stormcloak skyrim would be a nightmare for the Thalmor.

This is true, and cannot be understated. Ulfric didn't swear allegiance to the Thalmor. They manipulated him in the past, and while the Thalmor benefit from the Civil War, that's definitely not Ulfric's intention. No matter which side you pick in the Civil War, the Thalmor still suffer a setback in that they now have their enemies' undivided attention. I still support the Empire because I think Ulfric's selfish and manipulative, caring more about image and symbolism than the actual plight of Skyrim, but that more boils down to a personal dislike of the man instead of believing the Stormcloaks will doom Skyrim.

[Darklord Bright]

Well, I finally got around to finishing the main quest today. The Alduin stuff I mean, I couldn't really care less about the feud when there are dragons about. Speaking of which:

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Getting the brief treaty between the factions for the main quest was hilarious in how much Ulfric whined through the whole thing, even when his side of the deal was far better. He really is a petulant leader. "If you don't agree to my every whim I'm taking my ball and going home!" indeed. The world is apparently going to end if we don't kill Alduin, dude! You're a "True Nord" aren't you? You should at least understand that!

But that's beside the point. I actually really enjoyed the main plot, with a few frustrating bits here and there. I played through the whole thing on my Breton sneak-archer and it was a blast! There's just one thing that nags at me though...

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Dragonrend. With a name like that, and the fact that they built it up as this whole "Created by people who really hated dragons, it forces them to understand mortality and is really cruel and stuff." thing, and then all it does it make them glow and land for a minute or two? Kinda underwhelming. I was hoping for a 'Crash to the ground' effect like some of my earlier kills when I shot dragons so that they actually created huge meteor-trails in the ground. Plus, as an archer, forcing them to stay on the ground is actually NOT a good idea. Teeth hurt! Ah well.

All in all, though, I really enjoyed it! There were a few actually really close and tense fights through there, and it's one of the few RPGs I've actually put aside my alternate character making reflexes for long enough to finish the main plot. Good fun!

[t209]

One strange thing about the civil war is that both side have their own counterpart.
1. Riften (Stormcloak) and Markath (Imperial)
- Black Briar owns Riften while Silver-Blood family owns Markath
- Both of them are filled with poverty and crimes (More poverty on bretons in Markath and More crime on Riften)
-At the end of civil war, Maven will become the jarl with the help of the imperials while Thonvar will become the jarl with the help of stormcloaks.
- Both of them are Smug Snakes and Karma Houdini but Silver-Bloods are more evil since

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they murder political opponents and took the mines of native bretons using Forsworns assasins. What would Silver Blood alignment be? (And also Madanach, King of Forsworn).

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Well, I finally got around to finishing the main quest today. The Alduin stuff I mean, I couldn't really care less about the feud when there are dragons about.

This sums up the entirety of my opinion of the civil war plotline.

[Fri]

After hanging around in skyrim for a while, I have two major disappointment on it.

1. Even more limited magical customization. I mean, the enchantment system is less than even Oblivion, and you can't even make custom spells. Man, making custom spells was my favourite part of morrowind and oblivion!

2. Skyrim is such a dump. Really, at least in oblivion, major cities have the gall to be major. Here, I visit what marked in the map as a major city, and they have like two houses, an inn, and the jarl's palace. What a sad place to be a jarl.

Anyway, do I have to pick a side in the civil war?