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2012-01-18, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Star Wars: No More
http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/1...buster_career/
Well, I don't know about you but I have a large number of diametrically opposite feelings about this. The article highlights many points about how Lucas pretty much detests his fans, which, being a fan, I can empathise with to a limited extent. But in a nutshell, my thoughts can be summed up thusly:
I will always be eternally grateful to the man that gave me A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi when I was growing up. I won't miss the man he became.
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2012-01-18, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Episodes 4 to 6 became the classics they are not because of Lucas. It's thanks to the producer and legions of editors who made his proposed trainwreck of a script into something workable. It helps that his ego and fame were small enough at the time that execs still had some kind of a leash on him. Not to mention he wasn't even the director of eps 5 and 6.
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“Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?”Last edited by tensai_oni; 2012-01-18 at 09:37 AM.
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2012-01-18, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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What's that phrase that the cool kids all use these days?
"And nothing of value was lost."
Though I hope Red Tails does well, it kind of deserves to at least.
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2012-01-18, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Meh. I'm not too terribly disappointed. What was his last good film?
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2012-01-18, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I imagine it's tough to have a giant loyal fan base for 20 years, then have all of them turn on you and spend a decade using your name as a synonym for failure and creative bankruptcy I imagine it's tough not to take it a little bit personally after a while. This isn't just a director flipping out over a couple bad reviews of his films.
Still, he should realize that he could have gone back to indie/art house film any time he wanted to. It's not like anyone held a gun to his head and demanded he make more Star Wars movies to the exclusion of everything else.
I also hope Red Tails does well, I'm looking forward to seeing that.Proof-reading is totally unnecessary in the digital age now that we have spell cheque.
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2012-01-18, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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While it's true that George Lucas is either a hypocrite or drastically changed his opinion over the years, George Lucas still gets too much credit. He pretty much had nothing to do with Star Wars ever succeeding and pretty much every decision he's made regarding it, from the prequel movies to pretty much saying the entire expanded universe doesn't count. Not to mention most of the original trilogy was made up on the fly.
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2012-01-18, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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...George Lucas came UP with the movies. He directed the first one, he wrote the first one. He wrote the book of the fourth movie (which is really good, by the way). He deserves some credit.
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2012-01-18, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, he didn't. His original script was a Flash Gordon movie, but he couldn't get ahold of the franchises. His first script had to be heavily edited or else we'd get things like a racial stereotype for C-3PO. He didn't even do all of the director's job for the first movie, like coaching the actor. The second and third movies were written by other people. The only movies he was actually responsible for were the prequels, and that is nothing to be proud of.
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2012-01-18, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last good movie? Probably Last Crusade.
And as much as I agree that Lucas deserves credit for the vision that ultimately became Star Wars, the sad fact is that he's almost comically lacking in the talents, skills, and abilities required to turn that vision into a movie (or a series of movies). "Comical" because Lucas thinks he's a really really good writer, director, and producer; "almost" because the way he's misunderstood the nature and causes of his early success has apparently caused him to shut out anyone who might be able and willing to confront him with the reality that he reall really isn't. Looked at that way, his story reads rather like a tragedy.
As for the news in the OP - it's about time, I'd say. Much as I love the setting, and have done ever since I first saw ANH as a kid in 1977, dude needs to stop trying to milk that one good idea he had 35 years ago._______________________________________________
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2012-01-18, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I love Star Wars; I’ve loved it since I was a little kid. But I was disappointed with how poor the prequel trilogy turned out, I was frustrated with how he kept changing and tweaking his films over the years. Cleaning up the films and remastering them digitally was all he really needed to do. Adding in scenes and editing existing scenes (Greedo shooting first), really do change the feeling of the films.
I feel this is a series that shouldn’t have been changed as much as it had. I agree this is sort of a tragic story. But at the same time, I would rather Lucas step away from Star Wars than continue to make unnecessary changes and tweaks to his films. If he wishes to continue making films, individual ones or other series of films, that’s great, I’d be interested in seeing what else Lucas is capable of outside of star wars and Indiana Jones. So with that said, I’m actually kind of glad to see that he’s stepping away from star wars.
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2012-01-18, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree that he needs to do something not in those franchises. It seems he has only written 2 major things not related to either star wars or Indiana Jones, THX 1138 Willow and American Grafitti, the first of which was both his first movie and rather bad, the second is ,well, Willow and the last is an unknown to me. I'm curious to see if he has the ability to write anything good, besides the two good ideas of his that really caught on.
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2012-01-18, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Even Star Wars and Indiana Jones were basically technology upgrades of the old serials he and others liked as a kid, but which now are probably remembered by most as well as the gay (eighteen) nineties.
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2012-01-18, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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At the heart of all beauty lies something inhuman, and these hills, the softness of the sky, the outline of the trees at this very minute lose the illusory meaning with which we clothed them, henceforth more remote than a lost paradise.
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2012-01-18, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Meh. I'll just continue being the only guy in the world who likes all six episodes...
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2012-01-18, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't get the title "Star Wars: No More" when all he's saying is he himself personally is done directing big movies. Was anyone really expecting anymore Star Wars movies? I thought it might be something awesome like he was no longer allowing anyone to create anything under the Star Wars license, no more cartoons, books, action figures...that would be hilarious.
And the Expanded Universe is silly, but any story you try to keep going for that long gets silly, like soap operas and superhero comic books.
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2012-01-18, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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this might have been a tragedy before episode 1
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2012-01-18, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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The novelizations (especially Revenge of the Sith) allow me to forgive some of the more dubious moments.
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2012-01-18, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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...not that this post will matter very long from now...
But every time I hear or read, "George Lucas edited [film]," I feel that the eternal and immortal Spirit of Copyright has been besmirched by a fool who chose not to respect it. I've known for a while that he wasn't the single force behind Star Wars and from that I gather that George owes big apologies to the toes he's stepped on by altering other people's good ideas.
I won't say that George has no talent. That wouldn't be accurate. I just think that as an artist his sense of visual effects and visual arts is more potent than whatever plot ideas that he created.
Also, I'd like to take a second to remind all the people in this thread who've figuratively bashed on George that the position he occupies, one of fame and industry, is a position that many people aspire to achieve. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to cast our insults. We wouldn't want to be so insulted if we were in his position now would we?
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2012-01-18, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, I think it's more a tragedy it DIDN'T happen before Episode 1. Even if we give George Lucas all credit for the first three movies (which he doesn't really deserve, as noted already), he'd clearly forgotten everything that made them good by the time he came to do the prequels.
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2012-01-18, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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I will go ahead and commit treason by saying that I enjoyed the prequel trilogy. *hides behind a +5 Tower Shield*
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2012-01-18, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't blame him at all. I'm not thinking of anyone on this forum when I say this, but sometimes the worst things about a franchise is its fandom. Star Wars is no exception.
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2012-01-18, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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