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Thread: Why carry the carpet?
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2012-02-18, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why carry the carpet?
I noticed Rich wants to make it implicit that that carpet is on their hands. We all know why...its because that carpet is the ticket for the linear guild to find them and I think that plan will only works because the laws of drama.
Think about it. They cant use the carpet in the windy cannyon as it is...windy. So what does Haley usually do with itens that are unused? Put it in the bag of holding.
So if the carpet is in the bag of holding, it is supposed to be in like...another dimension? So what happens if the linear guild teleports to the carpet in the bag of holding? They stay in the bag of holding trapped.
As it would be horrible for drama to end the magnificent plan of Tarkin in such manner, the carpet is transported around by the kobold, which could be much more useful with the weapons at hand as is the rest of the order....
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2012-02-18, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
This is a good point. However, I don't think LG's plan is to teleport to the mark, only to track it. It is possible that a wizard could develop a mark that could be tracked from inside a bag of holding; it seems like a very useful invention, for the very reason you describe.
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2012-02-19, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Maybe the carpet simply doesn't fit in a Bag of Holding? I mean, they're supposed to be bigger on the inside, but the opening should still have a limited size, so really big items wouldn't fit, and even rolled up, the carpet's dimensions are sill bigger than a regular bag's. It's not in RAW, but it's a sensible house rule.
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2012-02-19, 12:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-19, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
they carry the carpet because they are going on a picnic and want to invite Draketooth with it
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2012-02-19, 12:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Haley put Roy's Armor/Corpse into it before, so it's probably not because the opening is too small. I'm guessing they are carrying it because they might need it at short moment notice. I'm not sure if the wind can block flying by the carpet, but if they are not using it, it's probably the case. So that means the carpet might have other function available to them that might be useful when combat arise.
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2012-02-19, 03:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Same reason the cat is ridding on its head because it visually coveys the right emotion: Mostly harmless
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2012-02-19, 06:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-19, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
I don't remember. She did have a bunch of carts in them though, so the size issue probably doesn't matter as much as you would think. I'm voting for Rich/OOtS just not thinking of putting it in the bag of holding.
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2012-02-19, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
If they need to make a quick escape (say, in the event of something going "KRAKOOM!"), the carpet is their only option. Best not to have to fish around in a bag of holding for it.
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Originally Posted by The Giant
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2012-02-19, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Nitpick: Haley planned on putting Roy's Corpse in a bag of holding. belkar objected on the hrounds that putting it in might trigger the Mark of Justice if the alternate dimension was considered to be effectively more than the proscribed distance he had to be from Roy.
Granted, if Haley planned to do it then the mouth of the bag should have been big enough.
Edit: I must be bored after doing the household accounts... I'm referring to 537: What Do You Think Comes in a Disguise Kit, Anyway? - 3rd panel. Not that I need an excuse to trot through the archives, of course.Last edited by Manga Shoggoth; 2012-02-19 at 10:28 AM.
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2012-02-19, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
If the kobold snaps out of his control then he's not holding his weapons?
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2012-02-19, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
It smells like Febreze and they just can't resist keeping it close?
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2012-02-19, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-19, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Bag of holdings send objects into a demi-plane, so the LG wouldn't be able to teleport to it unless teleportation allow transportation to another plane. And even if they manage, they might not find the exit before they ran out of oxygen.
That said, bags of holding have a limited capacity anyway and we don't know how many items Haley stored in hers, though I remember her saying she got at least three. I somehow doubt she managed to fill all of them fully, though it might depends on the capacity of her bags.
As for the need to keep the carpet at hand in case of urgent escape need, I guess Haley don't have the Heward's handy haversack that allow to always get the wanted item first. Or it don't have enough space remaining to store it.
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2012-02-19, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
They're not planning to teleport to the mark.
Originally Posted by Tarquin
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2012-02-19, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Haley might have filled them when she robbed the prison for Roy and Belkar's equipment (it goes without say she stole more than just that). I'm also guessing she robbed the palace when she and V freed the slaves.
Also, would taking the time to put down the carpet and pull out his crossbows buy V extra time to recast Dominate Person before he can shoot anyone? At the very least, it would alert the rest of the party that he shook off the spell and get them ready to incapacitate him.
It could also be a way of humiliating Yukyuk (by treating him like a servant) without offending the Good members of the party.
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2012-02-19, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Perhaps there's a naked princess inside the carpet.
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2012-02-19, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Because it forwards the plot, as above, is the obvious out-of-story answer. It doesn't make particular sense in-story, though - Haley shoves objects as massive as a cart into her bags of holding, and she has several. "A girl can never have too much extradimensional space." (paraphrasing)
The one destroyed by YukYuk earlier might have also been intended to justify the lack of its use, though it fails to in terms of presenting a lack of available ED space.
Maybe it's Haley's particular punishment for destroying her bag? You broke it, you carry items that would have gone into its extradimensional space.Last edited by Tulya; 2012-02-19 at 04:06 PM.
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2012-02-19, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
It wasn't destroyed, Belkar put everything back in it. Except he and Roy's equipment, which I now realize means there should be room now if there wasn't before.
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2012-02-19, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-19, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Hmm that bit about carrying the carts in the bag of holding has me wondering... if the carts fit in there why didn't the loot itself fit in there?
I guess a bunch of carts and donkeys is significantly less weight than a bunch of gold? And if so, seems like the cart would break down
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2012-02-19, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-19, 05:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
They already had the mounts at that time. They just store them in Mount Parking off-screen while not in use.
And yeah, gold is extremely heavy for the same volume, and bags of holding are limited by both its internal dimensions and maximum weight capacity.
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Bah again, I say. They tied the horses up that time.Last edited by Tulya; 2012-02-19 at 06:51 PM.
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2012-02-19, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-19, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
I'm going to outnitpick your nitpick with http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0468.html - in which Haley first suggests putting Roy in the bag of holding (and Belkar originally objects)
(but I don't know why I'm doing that. OCD or something, probably)
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2012-02-20, 06:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Warning: This posting may contain wit, wisdom, pathos, irony, satire, sarcasm and puns. And traces of nut.
"The main skill of a good ruler seems to be not preventing the conflagrations but rather keeping them contained enough they rate more as campfires." Rogar Demonblud
"Hold on just a d*** second. UK has spam callers that try to get you to buy conservatories?!? Even y'alls spammers are higher class than ours!" Peelee
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2012-02-22, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-23, 01:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why carry the carpet?
Second vote for this explanation. While there is strict limits on what a bag of holding can contain in terms of weight and size, it's clear they are being ignored for funny. But retrieving a specific item from a bag takes a full round action normally. And that is when it contains no more than 60 lbs of material (the max) Who knows how long it takes to retrieve a specific item in the mess Haley has in hers. But having YukYuk drop the carpet is a free action. That makes all the difference in the world.
Last edited by Forbiddenwar; 2012-02-23 at 01:36 AM.