Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 54
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    It has been noted before, and will doubtless be noted again: Sometimes, D&D simply makes no sense.

    Sometimes this leads to exploits (e.g. Shrink Item tricks). Sometimes it just leads to clear absurdities (e.g. Protection from Evil being superior to Protection from Good.) Whatever the effect, this is a list of short houserules to mitigate the worst offenders in Core.

    Any comments on particular rules are welcome. Any further suggestions are welcome as well; if I like them and they're in Core+SRD I'll add them to the first post; if they're not Core but I understand and like them anyway I'll add them to the second post. The vast majority of these are how RAI is anyway; the others are things that simply make no sense as they are.

    So now, for the list:

    Spells:
    Spoiler
    Show

    -All protection from <alignment> spells prevent summoned creatures not of the opposing alignment from touching the target, just as protection from good does.

    -When moving through a Web spell, one can never exceed half normal speed no matter how high their check is.

    -Any polymorph effect that does not affect mental ability scores also does not grant or remove extraordinary mental special qualities (such as a human’s bonus feat or skills, or a dwarf’s stonecunning.)*

    -If a character polymorphs into a creature with extra limbs, they have full use of those limbs, unlike the rule for Alter Self.*

    -When an item shrunk by Shrink Item is tossed on a surface to restore it to normal size, it does not attain its normal size until after it lands. Similarly, use of a command word to restore its size can only be done when it is resting firmly on a surface capable of holding its restored weight. If the spell is dispelled or expires, the object regains its normal size over the course of five minutes.

    -The effects of Cloudkill are treated as poison for all purposes (so antitoxin gives a saving throw bonus, dwarves get a total racial bonus of +4, neutralize poison and delay poison help against it, etc.)

    -All effects listed in the Guards and Wards spells are optional; each can be present, absent, or present over only part of the warded area, as the caster chooses when casting the spell.

    -An antimagic field suppresses the effects of a magical weapon only if the target is inside the field; if the target is outside the field but the weapon’s user is inside, the weapon hits as a magical weapon. Conversely, any weapon that is ineffective inside an antimagic field (such as the natural weapons of summoned creatures or incorporeal undead) is likewise ineffective against a target in an antimagic field, even if the weapon’s wielder is outside the field.

    -In order to make campaigns more interesting, Legend Lore and Vision, while able to bring to mind information that has never been generally known, cannot bring to mind information that has only been known by a very small number of people throughout history (the location of a secret treasure that was known only by the person who buried it, for instance).*

    -Transformation cannot increase the caster’s BAB above 20, but the increased BAB stacks with epic attack bonuses.

    -Mass invisibility is broken for any individual who moves more than 180 feet from the farthest member of the group, not the nearest. (If when cast each has to be less than 180 feet away from every other one, the same should apply for maintaining it.)

    -If Scintillating Pattern ends, so do all resulting effects, even if their time was not up.

    -Some particularly powerful major artifacts are not subject to Mage’s Disjunction. (This simply makes sense for plot reasons; if a 17th level wizard can destroy the One Ring, then you lose out on a huge number of possible high-significance campaigns.)

    -If multiple individuals casts Shield Other on the same target, the target and all casters evenly split damage taken by the target; uneven points of damage go first to the target and then to the casters in the order in which they cast the spell.

    -The table for Reincarnate assumes a humanoid target; other types will have other tables. Furthermore, subraces (except those given explicitly) are a possibility within the given options.

    -Interactions between Hallow and Unhallow: When an area is affected by both the Hallow spell and the Unhallow spell, the earlier effect suppresses the later one over the joint area. A heightened Hallow spell can dispel any Unhallow effect at least 5 spell levels lower than it, and similarly a heightened Unhallow spell can dispel a Hallow effect of at least 5 spell levels lower. Note that since Hallow and Unhallow are 5th level spells, this generally requires epic-level magic. (It doesn't make sense that any magical effect should be truly unremovable, but Hallow and Unhallow should be close to permanent.)

    -Winds created by Control Winds have a Fortitude DC either equal to 10+spell level+caster’s key ability score (like a spell) or the DC to resist such a wind if it occurs naturally (as by the table on page 95 of the DMG), whichever is less.

    -If the damage rolled for the Harm spell is at least 50, it requires a save for massive damage even if the target makes his save and has less than 51 hit points (and thus it does less than 50 damage).

    -Control Plants does allow spell resistance.

    *These are also included in my general fix (linked in my sig), since I was changing the relevant spells for balance reasons anyway.


    Classes:
    Spoiler
    Show


    -All bonuses gained from a barbarian's rage are morale bonuses.

    -The natural spell feat only affects druid and ranger spells (or other nature-based spells for non-Core classes).

    -A monk’s Flurry of Blows ability cannot be used in conjunction with 2-weapon fighting.

    -An arcane trickster’s bonus spells per day must be applied to an arcane casting class in which he is already able to cast 3rd level spells.

    -If a prestige class requires a certain level of casting ability and gives advancement in a casting class, the casting class advanced must be one that meets the requirements. So for instance a wizard 5/rogue 3/bard 1 couldn't gain bard levels from Arcane Trickster, only wizard levels.

    -Prestige classes and alignment: Any prestige class with an alignment requirement, other than Blackguard and Dwarven Defender, that violates its alignment requirement, loses the ability to progress in the class but suffers no other penalty. A Dwarven Defender also loses the ability to take a defensive stance, and a Blackguard loses all class abilities. Upon regaining their former alignment, a member of any of these classes immediately regains the benefits, with the exception of a blackguard (who requires an Atonement spell to regain his abilities and ability to progress.)


    Combat actions:
    Spoiler
    Show


    -Improved Trip does not allow you to follow up with any attack that you could not have made instead of the trip (so if, for instance, the trip attack was due to a feat like knockdown, you cannot follow up with a non-trip attack.)

    -When using the Ride skill for cover, it is then a move action to stop using the mount for cover and get back into position in order to attack or cast a spell. If you have a move action available, you can attempt to do this as a free action with the "fast mount or dismount" usage of the Ride skill.

    -Groping to find an invisible creature can be done as one attack in a full attack rather than a standard action.


    Items:
    Spoiler
    Show

    -In order to gain an AC bonus from a defending weapon, its wielder must attack with it on his previous turn. If a character has multiple defending weapons, their bonuses do not stack with each other.

    -Cold iron items cost an extra 2000 gold to enchant the first time, but once they are enchanted it is not necessary to pay that price again for each additional enchantment.

    -Even in a game with relatively open item customization, not every item can have its cost reduced by requiring certain features in order to use; any such case is purely up to the DM and depends on both balance and whether it "makes sense".


    Miscellaneous:
    Spoiler
    Show

    -Whenever good and evil outsiders are referred to, that means outsiders of the good and evil subtypes, not all outsiders of good and evil alignment.

    -Celestial and Half-celestial creatures have the good subtype, while fiendish and half-fiendish creatures have the evil subtype.

    -If something has both hardness and damage reduction, they overlap.

    -When using the feat Ride-by Attack, you need not move to the closest space that threatens the opponent, merely any space that threatens the opponent. You must still move in a straight line both before and after the attack.*

    -The epic feat Planar Turning affects only Good outsiders and Evil outsiders.

    *This was also included in my general Core fix (linked in my sig).

    -A character with BAB of at least 20 does not require any ranks in Escape Artist to take the Legendary Wrestler epic feat.

    -The Improved Manyshot feat cannot give more attacks than are available from a full attack.

    -Temporary bonuses to an ability score work just like temporary hit points: They do not stack, and are the first lost to drain or damage.

    -Regeneration/alignment does not prevent death from instant-death effects, including Coup de Grace and massive damage.

    -Falling object rules are changed for extremely light and extremely heavy items. Anything weighing less than 1 ounce has both falling damage taken and falling damage done reduced by the factor by which it is less than one ounce, rounded down, to a minimum of 0 damage. (so a 1 ounce item would do and take 1 less damage, a half-ounce item would do and take 2 less damage, a 1/3-ounce item would do and take 3 less damage, and so on.) An item weighing more than 2000 pounds does not do 1d6 damage per 200 pounds, but rather does 10d6 damage for the first 2000 pounds, then both does and takes 1d6 additional damage for every 2000 pounds after the first 2000, up to 20,000, then 1d6 for every 20,000 pounds after the first 20,000, up to 200,000, and so on.

    -Saves to avoid death from massive damage do not autofail on a 1. The DC is increased by 1 for every 10 points of damage above 50. (This is more so that it scales than a purely common-sense issue.)

    -A creature is considered proficient with all natural weapons it has, including unarmed strikes.
    Last edited by Yitzi; 2013-03-08 at 03:00 PM.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    -Any base class with both Search and Disable Device as class skills gets the Trapfinding ability, as a rogue, at first level.

    -A dread necromancer's fear aura only affects creatures for as long as they remain in the area of effect. The aura lasts until he chooses to remove it (also a free action).
    Last edited by Yitzi; 2012-01-20 at 03:40 PM.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Grod_The_Giant's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Most of these a pretty solid. However...

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    If the damage rolled for the Harm spell is at least 50, it requires a save for massive damage even if the target has less than 51 hit points (and thus it does less than 50 damage).
    RAW, Harm is a flat 10/level, and the minimum level you could cast it is 11, barring shenanigans.

    Switching an item from both hands to one hand is a free action; switching it from one hand to both hands, or from one hand to the other, is a move action.
    This is the single biggest thing that jumped out at me on the list. It takes so much less time to grab something you're already holding in one hand than it does to move thirty feet that it's not even funny. All of the actions mentioned here should be free.

    Improved Trip does not allow you to follow up with any attack that you could not have made instead of the trip (so if, for instance, the trip attack was due to a feat like knockdown, you cannot follow up with a non-trip attack.)
    Umm... the wording here is neigh-impenetrable. I think you mean that the bonus melee attack only applies if I use my standard action to make a mundane trip attempt-- which would make sense-- but I really can't tell.

    When using the Ride skill for cover, it is then a move action to stop using the mount for cover and get back into position in order to attack or cast a spell.
    There should be an option to swing back into the saddle as a swift or free action, with a sufficiently difficult Ride check (say, DC 30).
    Last edited by Grod_The_Giant; 2012-01-19 at 02:40 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    Grod's Law: You cannot and should not balance bad mechanics by making them annoying to use
    Major Works:
    • STaRS: The Simple Tabletop Roleplaying System; my attempt at a generic rules-light system.
    • Giants and Graveyards: My collected 3.5 revisions-- houserules, class fixes, ban lists and more.
    • Chopping Down the Christmas Tree: Rules for low- or no-magic item games of 3.5.
    • D&D in M&M-- Balancing 3.5 by porting it lock, stock, and barrel into a more balanced system.

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    Most of these a pretty solid. However...


    RAW, Harm is a flat 10/level, and the minimum level you could cast it is 11, barring shenanigans.
    Yes, which is why it normally will always do more than 50 (although at that level the save should be easy). But there's a special rule that it cannot reduce the target's hit points to less than 1, so if the target has low HP it can do less than 50 damage.

    This is the single biggest thing that jumped out at me on the list. It takes so much less time to grab something you're already holding in one hand than it does to move thirty feet that it's not even funny.
    I was thinking more of comparing it to picking something up off a table, or putting it down carefully (both of which are move actions.)

    Umm... the wording here is neigh-impenetrable. I think you mean that the bonus melee attack only applies if I use my standard action to make a mundane trip attempt-- which would make sense-- but I really can't tell.
    Basically, if you make the trip attack with anything that can only be used for a trip attack (knockdown, some obscure martial arts feat, etc.), you can't use Improved Trip to get a normal attack from it.


    There should be an option to swing back into the saddle as a swift or free action, with a sufficiently difficult Ride check (say, DC 30).
    I think making it into a usage of the "fast mount" ability seems good.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Grod_The_Giant's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    Yes, which is why it normally will always do more than 50 (although at that level the save should be easy). But there's a special rule that it cannot reduce the target's hit points to less than 1, so if the target has low HP it can do less than 50 damage.
    Quote Originally Posted by SRD
    Harm charges a subject with negative energy that deals 10 points of damage per caster level (to a maximum of 150 points at 15th level). If the creature successfully saves, harm deals half this amount, but it cannot reduce the target’s hit points to less than 1.

    The "less than 1" part only applies on a successful save, unless I'm reading this wrong.

    I was thinking more of comparing it to picking something up off a table, or putting it down carefully (both of which are move actions.)
    The latter is MAYBE a move action, if it's something really fragile, but I would say that the first is a free action that provokes an AoO. How long does it really take to pick something up when it's within arm's reach?

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Mulletmanalive's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    WOTC ≱ my opinion

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    -Protection from Evil only prevents evil summoned creatures from touching the target, not those that are neither good nor evil.
    I'm not really seeing why this is necessary; it's just a useful tag on to the Protection From spells...

    Admittedly, made more sense when you were still able to turn them inwards to contained summoned monsters.
    -When moving through a Web spell, one can never exceed half normal speed no matter how high their check is.
    I assume you meant "Cannot move faster than its normal speed, regardless of how high their check is," otherwise it makes no sense. Why would something strong enough to tear the webs like they weren't there be kept to half speed by a level 2 spell?
    -If a character polymorphs into a creature with extra limbs, they have full use of those limbs, unlike the rule for Alter Self.*
    I thought that was already covered by the fact that you gain all the creature's extraordinary attacks...?
    -The effects of Cloudkill are treated as poison for all purposes (so antitoxin gives a saving throw bonus, dwarves get a total racial bonus of +4, neutralize poison and delay poison help against it, etc.)
    It wasn't already? This IS a common sense one. I didn't even notice.
    -A monk’s Flurry of Blows ability cannot be used in conjunction with 2-weapon fighting.
    Why? It's not as if the monk is a broken or breakably good class.
    -Celestial and Half-celestial creatures have the good subtype, while fiendish and half-fiendish creatures have the evil subtype.
    Very reasonable.
    -The epic feat Planar Turning affects only Good outsiders and Evil outsiders.
    Why? I can kind of see the logic but not really. Kind of screws over clerics of law, chaos, balance etc...
    -Regeneration/alignment does not prevent death from instant-death effects, including Coup de Grace and massive damage.
    Not really understanding what this is fixing... Aside from massive damage and coup de grace, both of which normally require you to use the antigen to deal them for them to stick [which is perfectly reasonable], this doesn't change anything.
    Mine is not so much a Peter Pan Complex as a Peter Pan Doom Fortress and Underground LairTM!
    Fae-o-matic Want a fae from folklore stated? Give me the lore and I'll do it for you!
    Le Cirque Funeste Evil Fairy Circus! Ray Bradbury, refined down to snortable powder!

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Deepbluediver's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The US of A

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    Most of these a pretty solid. However...

    If the damage rolled for the Harm spell is at least 50, it requires a save for massive damage even if the target has less than 51 hit points (and thus it does less than 50 damage).*

    RAW, Harm is a flat 10/level, and the minimum level you could cast it is 11, barring shenanigans.
    What about other house rules for massive damage that try to make it scale with health, since past level 15 fifty damage in one attack get's alot less common, especially with spells. Can we say 50 damage or 1/2 your max HP, whichever is higher?
    "A man is known by the company he organizes." -Ambrose Bierce

    Homebrew Extended Signature!

    Progress in my Core rebalance project: 9 of 11 classes complete
    Druid, Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, Ranger, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk & Paladin

    Magic Fix: spell rewrites paused; rules under revision


    Non-core stuff I want to take a crack at rewriting: Healer, Warlock, Ninja, Samurai, Artificer, Soulborn Incarnum, psionics, bloodlines, and the item-crafting system

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    The "less than 1" part only applies on a successful save, unless I'm reading this wrong.
    I think you're reading it right, but on a successful save it would still do more than 50 damage if the target had enough hit points. Fixing to make it more clear.

    The latter is MAYBE a move action, if it's something really fragile, but I would say that the first is a free action that provokes an AoO. How long does it really take to pick something up when it's within arm's reach?
    And yet picking something up is a classic example of a move action. Presumably, a move action can be something even that quick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletmanalive View Post
    I'm not really seeing why this is necessary; it's just a useful tag on to the Protection From spells...
    Actually, now that I think of it, it makes more sense for them to all have that feature. Fixed.

    I assume you meant "Cannot move faster than its normal speed, regardless of how high their check is," otherwise it makes no sense. Why would something strong enough to tear the webs like they weren't there be kept to half speed by a level 2 spell?
    Same idea as Entangle.

    I thought that was already covered by the fact that you gain all the creature's extraordinary attacks...?
    Possibly debatable; this eliminates the issue.

    It wasn't already?
    Never explicitly says so.

    Why? It's not as if the monk is a broken or breakably good class.
    It's not for balance reasons, it's because they seem to be designed along the same idea and therefore (I feel, at least) shouldn't stack.

    Why?
    It's a direct outgrowth of the "alignment+'outsider' means outsiders of that subtype" rule. Also, why should a powerful good cleric be able to rebuke or command a Chaotic Neutral titan?

    Kind of screws over clerics of law, chaos, balance etc...
    Not really. Planar Turning still is available to all clerics with the effect depending only on whether they turn or rebuke undead. The only difference is that now outsiders that are neither good nor evil are not treated the same as good outsiders.

    Not really understanding what this is fixing.
    The basic goal was that a pit fiend shouldn't be able to take on 100 balors at no real threat to himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deepbluediver View Post
    What about other house rules for massive damage that try to make it scale with health, since past level 15 fifty damage in one attack get's alot less common, especially with spells. Can we say 50 damage or 1/2 your max HP, whichever is higher?
    Actually, now that I think of it an unscaling massive damage rule is sort of silly because it means at high levels any attack has a 1 in 20 chance of being fatal. I'll write something up and add it.

    EDIT: Ok, I added "Saves to avoid death from massive damage do not autofail on a 1. The DC is increased by 1 for every 10 points of damage above 50." That way, the amount to need a (not autosucceeded) save is 10 times your Fort save bonus minus 8.
    Last edited by Yitzi; 2012-01-19 at 05:51 PM.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Mulletmanalive's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    WOTC ≱ my opinion

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    Same idea as Entangle.
    Having gone back and read those spells again, the Entangled condition is faulty and should be a focus of being fixed.

    I'll leave that to you [i already use a variation where it applies the Grappled condition to those in the area and you just have to break free of it].
    Mine is not so much a Peter Pan Complex as a Peter Pan Doom Fortress and Underground LairTM!
    Fae-o-matic Want a fae from folklore stated? Give me the lore and I'll do it for you!
    Le Cirque Funeste Evil Fairy Circus! Ray Bradbury, refined down to snortable powder!

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletmanalive View Post
    Having gone back and read those spells again, the Entangled condition is faulty and should be a focus of being fixed.
    I'd disagree; Entangled can usually be broken with a Strength check, so that makes sense.

    But even if a creature avoids the Entangled condition from an Entangle spell, it still turns the area into difficult terrain for half movement speed. It makes sense to me that Web should be no better.
    Last edited by Yitzi; 2012-01-19 at 09:16 PM.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Zeta Kai's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    The Final Chapter
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    A monk IS proficient with its own unarmed strikes. That is all.

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Troll in the Playground
     
    NeoSeraphi's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    At the top
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta Kai View Post
    A monk IS proficient with its own unarmed strikes. That is all.
    THANK YOU.

    And for non-Core, the duration of the dread necromancer's fear aura is either one minute, or one round per class level. (Yitzi, feel free to select whichever you like)

    Also, can we just dump Trapfinding and add the ability to find and disable magical traps to Search and Disable Device already? It's really kind of stupid that you need a class feature to make those skills useful in the way they were intended.
    Sweet sorcerer avatar by Cuthalion

    Seraphi HomebrewTM

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    BlackDragon

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Also, can we just dump Trapfinding and add the ability to find and disable magical traps to Search and Disable Device already? It's really kind of stupid that you need a class feature to make those skills useful in the way they were intended.
    *cough*Pathfinder*cough*
    The Specialist PrC(WIP) An attempt to make really high skills more useful. I would love it if someone would PEACH.

    "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Start the game in a tavern. Then have the tavern attacked by horrifically over-CRed monsters and kill them all.
    The real campaign begins when they wake up as spirits, and you pull out the Ghostwalk supplement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drachasor View Post
    The sanity of DMs also varies wildly.

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Troll in the Playground
     
    NeoSeraphi's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    At the top
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Star View Post
    *cough*Pathfinder*cough*
    I agree, and Pathfinder did fix some of the stupid things that 3.5 had wrong, but this is still a 3.5 fix, so we can't just switch over to PF rules.
    Sweet sorcerer avatar by Cuthalion

    Seraphi HomebrewTM

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    BlackDragon

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    I know, but really all pathfinder is is a few pages of house rules, except published. Whenever I see a "3.5 house rule compendium" it usually end up having a ton of stuff that's already in pathfinder. Why not just switch, and houserule the PF game if you still have problems with it?

    I just feel like trying to fix 3.5 is like trying to fix a house that's missing two or three (or four) walls, and fixing pathfinder is just a matter of a new paint job, a good sweeping, moving in new furniture and killing some rats. One is hard, the other is just going to end up bringing the whole precariously balanced thing down on your head.
    The Specialist PrC(WIP) An attempt to make really high skills more useful. I would love it if someone would PEACH.

    "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Start the game in a tavern. Then have the tavern attacked by horrifically over-CRed monsters and kill them all.
    The real campaign begins when they wake up as spirits, and you pull out the Ghostwalk supplement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drachasor View Post
    The sanity of DMs also varies wildly.

  16. - Top - End - #16
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    absolmorph's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    A place with no pants

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Star View Post
    I know, but really all pathfinder is is a few pages of house rules, except published. Whenever I see a "3.5 house rule compendium" it usually end up having a ton of stuff that's already in pathfinder. Why not just switch, and houserule the PF game if you still have problems with it?

    I just feel like trying to fix 3.5 is like trying to fix a house that's missing two or three (or four) walls, and fixing pathfinder is just a matter of a new paint job, a good sweeping, moving in new furniture and killing some rats. One is hard, the other is just going to end up bringing the whole precariously balanced thing down on your head.
    No, if trying to fix 3.5 is like trying to fix a house that's missing three walls, trying to fix Pathfinder is like trying to fix the same house after the whole thing has gotten a new coat of paint.
    Pathfinder has many of the same problems as 3.5, and I'd offer an enumeration but there are already plenty around if you look.
    Some men just want to watch the world shift uncomfortably in its seat.
    Spoiler
    Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylarra View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by absolmorph View Post
    I happen to like screwing around with Handle Animal.
    Red Mage, is that you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
    Now you're cranking it up to eleven.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimonite View Post
    A week ago, I didn't know who you were. Now I know: you're the BEST PERSON EVER.
    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    You seem to be having trouble with the idea that a rulebook can contradict itself, because it shouldn't, but...WotC.


    Absolatar by Teutonic Knight.

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Deepbluediver's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The US of A

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Also, can we just dump Trapfinding and add the ability to find and disable magical traps to Search and Disable Device already? It's really kind of stupid that you need a class feature to make those skills useful in the way they were intended.
    Yes! 100 times this!

    Besides the rogue, what other non-core classes got trapfinding? Just in case I get stuck in a game without homebrew.
    "A man is known by the company he organizes." -Ambrose Bierce

    Homebrew Extended Signature!

    Progress in my Core rebalance project: 9 of 11 classes complete
    Druid, Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, Ranger, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk & Paladin

    Magic Fix: spell rewrites paused; rules under revision


    Non-core stuff I want to take a crack at rewriting: Healer, Warlock, Ninja, Samurai, Artificer, Soulborn Incarnum, psionics, bloodlines, and the item-crafting system

  18. - Top - End - #18
    Troll in the Playground
     
    NeoSeraphi's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    At the top
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deepbluediver View Post
    Yes! 100 times this!

    Besides the rogue, what other non-core classes got trapfinding? Just in case I get stuck in a game without homebrew.
    Ninja, scout and spellthief (all from Complete Adventurer), beguiler (Player's Handbook II), and factotum (Dungeonscape). I think I'm forgetting one, but those are the main ones.
    Sweet sorcerer avatar by Cuthalion

    Seraphi HomebrewTM

  19. - Top - End - #19
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Deepbluediver's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The US of A

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Also, can we just dump Trapfinding and add the ability to find and disable magical traps to Search and Disable Device already? It's really kind of stupid that you need a class feature to make those skills useful in the way they were intended.
    How about we say that Search and Disable Device work equally well for any class with those abilities, but the Trapfinding class feature gives you a bonus.

    That way you won't be taking to much away from the Rogues/Ninjas/Spellthieves but your party won't suffer for not having one in the group.
    "A man is known by the company he organizes." -Ambrose Bierce

    Homebrew Extended Signature!

    Progress in my Core rebalance project: 9 of 11 classes complete
    Druid, Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, Ranger, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk & Paladin

    Magic Fix: spell rewrites paused; rules under revision


    Non-core stuff I want to take a crack at rewriting: Healer, Warlock, Ninja, Samurai, Artificer, Soulborn Incarnum, psionics, bloodlines, and the item-crafting system

  20. - Top - End - #20
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Oct 2011

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Incarnates get trapfinding with the theft gloves soulmeld bound to the hands chakra, plus bonuses to disable device and sleight of hand (iirc) from essentia. but search and disable device are cross class for an incarnate, although skill bonuses from essentia in certain soulmelds actually put incarnate higher than rogue on search, assuming max ranks.
    78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.

    Where did you start yours?

    The PCs were already a special forces type unit in a kingdom's military, so the campaign started in the general's office.

    Extended Homebrew Signature

  21. - Top - End - #21
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta Kai View Post
    A monk IS proficient with its own unarmed strikes. That is all.
    Everyone is proficient with unarmed strikes, as they're a special type of natural weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    THANK YOU.

    And for non-Core, the duration of the dread necromancer's fear aura is either one minute, or one round per class level. (Yitzi, feel free to select whichever you like)
    Why, what is it by RAW?

    Also, can we just dump Trapfinding and add the ability to find and disable magical traps to Search and Disable Device already? It's really kind of stupid that you need a class feature to make those skills useful in the way they were intended.
    I don't see why that really makes sense. Leaving aside that Search and Disable Device have plenty of other uses, the class feature comes free with the most common way of getting the skills anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Star View Post
    I know, but really all pathfinder is is a few pages of house rules, except published. Whenever I see a "3.5 house rule compendium" it usually end up having a ton of stuff that's already in pathfinder. Why not just switch, and houserule the PF game if you still have problems with it?
    Because there are many aspects of PF that I don't like (their approach to classes, for instance); my houserules actually have only a small amount from Pathfinder (largely because Pathfinder tries to compensate for splatbook influence, while I try to minimize it).

    Quote Originally Posted by Deepbluediver View Post
    How about we say that Search and Disable Device work equally well for any class with those abilities, but the Trapfinding class feature gives you a bonus.
    Better yet, just give such classes (base classes only, and only those with both) Trapfinding. That's in the non-core section, though, as there are no Core base classes other than rogue with those skills.

    Quote Originally Posted by lunar2 View Post
    Incarnates get trapfinding with the theft gloves soulmeld bound to the hands chakra, plus bonuses to disable device and sleight of hand (iirc) from essentia. but search and disable device are cross class for an incarnate, although skill bonuses from essentia in certain soulmelds actually put incarnate higher than rogue on search, assuming max ranks.
    I'm not sure what the point is here.
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  22. - Top - End - #22
    Troll in the Playground
     
    NeoSeraphi's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    At the top
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Why, what is it by RAW?
    Instantaneous. There is no duration listed, so a creature who fails its save against a dread necromancer's fear aura is permanently shaken, even if it kills the dread necromancer and disintegrates the remains, it will still be scared 10 years later.
    Sweet sorcerer avatar by Cuthalion

    Seraphi HomebrewTM

  23. - Top - End - #23
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    gkathellar's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Beyond the Ninth Wave
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    This is mostly pretty good! A couple of objections:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    -When moving through a Web spell, one can never exceed half normal speed no matter how high their check is.
    I'd ammend this to never exceeding normal speed. If your escape artist check is super-high, it makes sense to be able to avoid the web's strands entirely ... just not to be able to move faster than you normally would.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    -Some particularly powerful major artifacts are not subject to Mage’s Disjunction. (This simply makes sense for plot reasons; if a 17th level wizard can destroy the One Ring, then you lose out on a huge number of possible high-significance campaigns.)
    Destroying an artifact with Disjunction is already a dangerous exercise and amounts to taking a big risk, and if you succeed a deity will usually come along and squash you flat. I'd say this is unnecessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    -The natural spell feat only affects druid spells. Similarly, the Share Spells ability of certain class allies only applies to spells from that class (including scrolls but not wands.)
    This is wholly unnecessary outside of gestalt (and I doubt its necessity there, too). A druid 5/(other caster) 15 isn't exactly the most powerful thing the game has ever seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    -A monk’s Flurry of Blows ability cannot be used in conjunction with 2-weapon fighting.
    Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    -Switching an item from both hands to one hand is a free action; switching it from one hand to both hands, or from one hand to the other, is a move action.
    This makes no sense as a balance adjustment or as a common sense adjustment. As an amateur swordsman I can tell you that going from one to both hands is no more difficult than going from both hands to one (which is to say: it's not, and is done almost constantly with many kinds of single blade).
    Quote Originally Posted by KKL
    D&D is its own momentum and does its own fantasy. It emulates itself in an incestuous mess.

    Play Legend. / Legend IRC.

  24. - Top - End - #24
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Sep 2009

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Instantaneous. There is no duration listed, so a creature who fails its save against a dread necromancer's fear aura is permanently shaken, even if it kills the dread necromancer and disintegrates the remains, it will still be scared 10 years later.
    Looking at the blurb on the Wizards site, it seems to me that the intent is that it lasts as long as the target is in the area of effect (the aura itself is an indefinite-duration effect), so that's what I'm putting.

    Quote Originally Posted by gkathellar View Post
    I'd ammend this to never exceeding normal speed. If your escape artist check is super-high, it makes sense to be able to avoid the web's strands entirely ... just not to be able to move faster than you normally would.
    It still seems to me it would be difficult terrain, similar to the area of an Entangle spell if you avoid actually being entangled.

    Destroying an artifact with Disjunction is already a dangerous exercise and amounts to taking a big risk, and if you succeed a deity will usually come along and squash you flat. I'd say this is unnecessary.
    It's not necessary for balance reasons, but is necessary for plot reasons. It doesn't make sense that if Gandalf had had a ninth-level spell the whole mission into Mordor would be irrelevant.

    This is wholly unnecessary outside of gestalt (and I doubt its necessity there, too). A druid 5/(other caster) 15 isn't exactly the most powerful thing the game has ever seen.
    It's not needed for balance reasons, the idea was just that it made more sense. Now that I think of it, though, it's not all that clear; removed for Share Spells, although Natural Spell definitely makes more sense that way.

    Why not?
    The whole idea of FoB is attacking with everything you've got, so it shouldn't stack with TWF.

    This makes no sense as a balance adjustment or as a common sense adjustment. As an amateur swordsman I can tell you that going from one to both hands is no more difficult than going from both hands to one (which is to say: it's not, and is done almost constantly with many kinds of single blade).
    Ok, if you say so, I'll take the word of a (relative) expert. Removed. (It does have balance applications, though, in that if you're wielding a 2-handed weapon it would keep you from moving it to one hand to Deflect Arrows and then back to 2 to attack.)
    My general 3.5 balance fix.
    My psionics remix.
    My common-sense houserules.
    More minor homebrew (weapons, races).

    Complete system remake (under construction, barely started)

    Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but dislike heavy emphasis on splatbooks and/or the rocket tag phenomenon?
    Come visit the Core Coliseum today, for a totally different style of optimization.

  25. - Top - End - #25
    Banned
     
    SamuraiGuy

    Join Date
    Aug 2010

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Role spell resistance AFTER failing reflex save. I guess you first you got HIT by the spell and then jump out of the way.

  26. - Top - End - #26
    Troll in the Playground
     
    NeoSeraphi's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    At the top
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Hey, that's right. If we're doing "common sense" houseruling here, we should be fixing Evasion. It's not really "evasion" if you don't move from your square at all, especially if the evasion in question is a 60 cone of fire that completely covers all the squares it hits.

    Edit: Here you go, how about this:

    Evasion (Ex): When you are targeted by a spell or special attack that allows a Reflex saving throw for half damage, you may make a Tumble check as an immediate action. If you succeed a DC 15 Tumble check, you may move up to half your movement speed in any direction before the attack hits you.

    Improved Evasion (Ex): As Evasion, but if your Tumble check result is 25 or higher, you may move up to your full movement speed as an immediate action.
    Last edited by NeoSeraphi; 2012-01-20 at 04:31 PM.
    Sweet sorcerer avatar by Cuthalion

    Seraphi HomebrewTM

  27. - Top - End - #27
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    ChumpLump's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Portland, OR

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    Everyone is proficient with unarmed strikes, as they're a special type of natural weapon.
    I don't see the implied house rules on the list. (Everyone is proficient with natural weapons. Unarmed strikes are a special type of natural weapon).
    These are not RAW, so... perhaps they should be included on the list?
    My preferred pronouns are they, them, and their.

  28. - Top - End - #28
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    gkathellar's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Beyond the Ninth Wave
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    It's not necessary for balance reasons, but is necessary for plot reasons. It doesn't make sense that if Gandalf had had a ninth-level spell the whole mission into Mordor would be irrelevant.
    If Gandalf had 5th level spells he would have used Teleport to get Frodo to Mount Doom, dropped the ring right there, and been done with it. LotR has never mapped well to high-level D&D and it never will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    It's not needed for balance reasons, the idea was just that it made more sense. Now that I think of it, though, it's not all that clear; removed for Share Spells, although Natural Spell definitely makes more sense that way.
    Why does it make more sense that way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    The whole idea of FoB is attacking with everything you've got, so it shouldn't stack with TWF.
    So I guess you also shouldn't be able to use Power Attack with FoB?

    Even if FoB constitutes attacking with all you've got, I don't understand why that wouldn't stack with TWF. Does using two weapons somehow prohibit you from doing that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yitzi View Post
    (It does have balance applications, though, in that if you're wielding a 2-handed weapon it would keep you from moving it to one hand to Deflect Arrows and then back to 2 to attack.)
    That's not really a very significant balance implication. Frankly, if you're looking for common-sense fixes, Deflect Arrows should be usable with weapons, because it's ridiculous that you should be able to swat arrows aside with your hand but not with your sword.

    The more significant balance implication has to do with THF-gishes — but since a gish is still worse than a regular caster, it still doesn't matter all that much.
    Quote Originally Posted by KKL
    D&D is its own momentum and does its own fantasy. It emulates itself in an incestuous mess.

    Play Legend. / Legend IRC.

  29. - Top - End - #29
    Pixie in the Playground
     
    Zombie

    Join Date
    Jun 2011

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Edit: Here you go, how about this:

    Evasion (Ex): When you are targeted by a spell or special attack that allows a Reflex saving throw for half damage, you may make a Tumble check as an immediate action. If you succeed a DC 15 Tumble check, you may move up to half your movement speed in any direction before the attack hits you.

    Improved Evasion (Ex): As Evasion, but if your Tumble check result is 25 or higher, you may move up to your full movement speed as an immediate action.
    I like where you're going, but I personally think that (with evasion, of course) moving out of the area should be done as a free action that's a part of the reflex save and doesn't require any additional checks or actions (that is to say, if you make the save with evasion, move half your speed to get out of there. If you can't make it, you're bum is toast).

    This is mostly because I believe that a character that has evasion to begin with probably has been trained in the art of . . . well, evasion; and thus it's intuitive. That, and it helps streamline combat.

    Same goes for Improved evasion.

  30. - Top - End - #30
    Troll in the Playground
     
    NeoSeraphi's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    At the top
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Common-sense houserule compendium (3.5 Core+SRD, PEACH)

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ebolanator View Post
    I like where you're going, but I personally think that (with evasion, of course) moving out of the area should be done as a free action that's a part of the reflex save and doesn't require any additional checks or actions (that is to say, if you make the save with evasion, move half your speed to get out of there. If you can't make it, you're bum is toast).

    This is mostly because I believe that a character that has evasion to begin with probably has been trained in the art of . . . well, evasion; and thus it's intuitive. That, and it helps streamline combat.

    Same goes for Improved evasion.
    Well, see, in my example, you don't actually make a saving throw. It's much better than Evasion is now, because you don't have to worry about optimized save DCs. You just Tumble your way out of there and the caster never even gets a chance to hit you. Also, it makes ring of evasion much less attractive, since unless you have any ranks in Tumble, you probably won't be able to use it. (And most characters with Tumble as a class skill already have Evasion)
    Sweet sorcerer avatar by Cuthalion

    Seraphi HomebrewTM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •