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    dear Arcano...(see i made a D&d joke with you name :P)

    speak for yourself..
    I have been reading this strip from somewhere 2005 on and I think it only became better..
    The first thing I always do at work is get coffee and check this site..and I hope to continue this for quite the while.

    I frankly am allready getting scared of the empty feeling when Oots might come to an ending..
    Just like you finished a good book...the big: 'and what now'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePhantasm View Post
    The Darths & Droids strip loosely uses the characters, places, and events of the movies. There are some similarities but largely there is an entirely different in-game plot that is in fact quite radically different from that of the movies.

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    One example: in Darths and Droids the Sith are just a myth and never really existed. Palpatine is a goodly character and not a corrupt schemer.


    One of the reasons I still enjoy Darths and Droids is because it doesn't just make D&D jokes but also has crafted an intricate plot that uses the imagery of the movies to craft an entirely new story. It is really quite cleverly written and well planned out in advance.
    Really? Huh. I must've missed that, then.

    I'd say it's proof for how boring the comic actually is... but nah. Nevermind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizak View Post
    Really? Huh. I must've missed that, then.

    I'd say it's proof for how boring the comic actually is... but nah. Nevermind.
    Not wanting to derail this further, but... I started reading it right after it began and quit after a few weeks because I did not find it interesting. A year ago (or so) I peeked in again and stayed. They have been telling a very good, catching story and I stayed for this.
    In regard to the giggles, the comic clearly falls short when compared to its roots (DM of the Rings) but as a story, I really enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancalagon View Post
    In regard to the giggles, the comic clearly falls short when compared to its roots (DM of the Rings) but as a story, I really enjoy it.
    Yeah--I actually really like the characters, despite never even seeing them
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    I think that OoTS is one of the most interesting and thought provoking webcomics out there. The plot is excellent, the characters mostly 3 dimensional and the humour/action/art almost always good at least. Now there have been some strips that are not good IF READ IN ISOLATION but more often than not rereading them after a few weeks when you can see the whole arc redeems them somewhat. Is it perfect.......no. Is it very good........yes.

    Now the fantasy epic plot is not entirely original I know. But for me the biggest factor in making something a favourite is the characters. I began reading during the Darth V arc and, I will be honest, I had not liked hir all that much. But the growing desperation, the need for power, the changes that influence even current strips in ways both subtle and prominent and the strength of the writing and art all convinced me to give V another chance. Elan's growth from useless annoyance to central character and 2nd main protagonist of the strip (IMO) has been wonderful to behold. Roy has always been a favourite of mine and the way he has grown over time has been good to see. Haley too has only become more interesting. The strip where she speaks to Roy's corpse is still an amazing character piece. Even Durkon and Belkar (the 2 least interesting) have had some good moments.

    The characters of the OoTS are what keep me coming back is what I am trying to say. They are 3 dimensional. The friendships seem real. It is rare, if ever, that someone seems out of character. People who began as somewhat humourous cliches about DnD and who acted as foils for rule based jokes are now some of the most (lacking a better term) human characters in existence. A change that began as early as the 14th Strip. And the explorations of ideas of Good, Evil, Desperation and misguided hope through such people as Redcloak and Miko are some of the most compelling I have ever read.

    For me the OoTS has not been a story driven webcomic at any point in it's life. From about the 60th strip it has been a Character driven strip. Granted there is a strong plot with clear actions. However it has always been the choices and actions of the characters that has driven events forward the most. It is not about "the Plot" but about the people and how they react to the world around them. Whether it is making jokes about the absurd DnD world they live in, laughing together at the trials they face, or simply facing evil as a team the real power of the comic is the characters. There is a reason the comic is named, the Order of The Stick. This is their story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thidrek View Post
    Be it as it may, everybody is entitled to have his own opinion wheter he likes the change or not.
    You do realize that the change from a comic based on jokes about DnD to a more plot-centric comic occured around 700 strips and 8 years ago, right? This isn't something that's just happened recently.

    I don't like it and I've got my reasons for it which I stated above. No one has to agree with me and I in no way think that I am "right" about this (one can't be!). But I know that I'm not the only one who thinks that way. In fact most of the people I recommended OotS to stopped reading after a while or just check back occasionally. And they all told me that the reason for this is that it gets boring after a while.
    That suggests that your friends have similar tastes to yours (hardly a shocking idea IMO). It doesn't do anything to suggest that the rest of us should agree with you.

    If Rich is happy with the way his comic evolves and if he can make a good living out of it, then my best wishes to him. It's just not working for me and that's kind of sad, but you can't make it right for everyone.
    Indeed. If it were just about making jokes about DnD rules, you might be happy with it, but I would have quit reading a long time ago.
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    This comic is barely cryptogram related anymore!

    If Rich doesn't immediately give Haley her speech impediment back, I fear he will lose all the cryptogram lovers he picked up way back when.

    I used to meticulously work out each and every cryptogram (each comic used a different key!) and now what am I expected to do? Subsist on plot, characters, and D&D rule jokes!?

    "Rpqrji fn rj fhfik!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriForce View Post
    exactly ^^ hey i already said it came from my salt dispencer, i hope you didnt expect some high literature :P
    Oh no, I wasn't. I was just curious. (And thanks for the translation, MoonCat.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smolder View Post
    I used to meticulously work out each and every cryptogram (each comic used a different key!) and now what am I expected to do?
    I did too...
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    Well, considering that it's got liches, dragons, paladins who Smite Evil, underpowered bards, powerful magic users, undead, levels, skill points, spell lists, arcane and divine casters, otyughs, and so on, I can't see how you can say that it's not a D&D comic any more.

    Yes, it's not about rule jokes at this point. But it's still totally infused from end to end with 3rd edition D&D rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJose View Post
    Not seeing how that's ironic. Could you explain?
    As part of your defense of plot-oriented webcomics over gag-a-day ones, you are pointing at a webcomic which is at least as plot-oriented as OotS and saying it's bad because the jokes you looked at without the context of having read the rest of the webcomic weren't funny.

    Do you see the irony yet?
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    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    As part of your defense of plot-oriented webcomics over gag-a-day ones, you are pointing at a webcomic which is at least as plot-oriented as OotS and saying it's bad because the jokes you looked at without the context of having read the rest of the webcomic weren't funny.

    Do you see the irony yet?
    Oh, you took what I posted to it's logical exaggeration. One I never made. That's the problem. I strongly doubt anything on the page I read needed "context" to get. I got them, I also got the origin of the joke reference. I don't find blatant references funny, that's all.

    You also think I have some sort of vendetta against gag-a-days. Apples and oranges. One is one and the other is the other. Anyone with eyes can see Darths has a plot it follows. My first reaction when I saw the page was "Oh, they're at New Hope now?" They were still in the prequels last I looked. Having a plot is a big part of the comic, like DM of the Rings or any Abridged Series. Even some Edit Series have some loose timeline going on.

    I should have posted more of his post. Here it is:
    Often after reading the newest strip I'm like "Well, that wasn't really satisfying, maybe the next strip gets better." And the fact that we have to wait days, if not weeks, for a new strip just emphasizes this feeling. If there'd still be a "one strip, one joke"-basis, it wouldn't be a problem, but often the strips are at best remotely funny. You could argue that driving the plot forwards demands that, but I think that's not true. There are other comics out there that achieve both telling an ongoing story and still being funny nearly every single strip, while being updated on a regular (if not daily!) basis (right now I'm thinking of Darths and Droids, perfect example IMO).
    My reply. That you considered ironic was:
    Your perfect example is a double derivative copy-pasta work who's best joke in the latest strip was a reference to a third work. It didn't even make any sense.
    My comment doesn't claim it to be gag-a-day and bad for being that. My comment is that it's not a "prefect example" of webcomic that does the same as OotS but better because:
    • Rich does all his own art. Darths takes screenies
    • Rich created the characters and the story without a 35 year old script to fall back on. Rich has often mentioned not wanting to use D&D as a crutch. Darth & Droids is the opposite extreme of this as everything hinges on what is available from someone else along with the minimum rule set joke requirements.
    • While he writes and draws as he goes and other setbacks he still delivers more than most. Most webcomics give you a page per update, Rich often gives 2 per update. He gives even more when it's a combat heavy set of pages so as to not bog down the pace with weeks of what amounts to 10 seconds of time passed.

    My complaint was not that Darths & Droids is bad but that OotS can almost be objectively considered to be more work than the example given in almost all aspects. Still, we are somehow supposed to fault it for taking longer to develop than a comic that takes a fraction of as much time to produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJose View Post
    My comment doesn't claim it to be gag-a-day and bad for being that. My comment is that it's not a "prefect example" of webcomic that does the same as OotS but better because:
    • Rich does all his own art. Darths takes screenies
    • Rich created the characters and the story without a 35 year old script to fall back on. Rich has often mentioned not wanting to use D&D as a crutch. Darth & Droids is the opposite extreme of this as everything hinges on what is available from someone else along with the minimum rule set joke requirements.
    • While he writes and draws as he goes and other setbacks he still delivers more than most. Most webcomics give you a page per update, Rich often gives 2 per update. He gives even more when it's a combat heavy set of pages so as to not bog down the pace with weeks of what amounts to 10 seconds of time passed.

    My complaint was not that Darths & Droids is bad but that OotS can almost be objectively considered to be more work than the example given in almost all aspects. Still, we are somehow supposed to fault it for taking longer to develop than a comic that takes a fraction of as much time to produce.
    If you'd read my post again, you may note that I never compared OotS to D&D in anything art/work related. I just explained that it's perfectly possible to have an ongoing story while still doing gags on a quite daily basis. That it's more work to draw something like OotS doesn't surprise. That's why D&D is updated regularly every 3 days and OotS maybe once per week, sometimes not even that.

    Quote Originally Posted by dps View Post
    You do realize that the change from a comic based on jokes about DnD to a more plot-centric comic occured around 700 strips and 8 years ago, right? This isn't something that's just happened recently.
    And your point is?


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    That suggests that your friends have similar tastes to yours (hardly a shocking idea IMO). It doesn't do anything to suggest that the rest of us should agree with you.
    And I never said you should. Why has everyone who doesn't agree with you always to be some kind of missionary?
    I just wanted to show my sympathy for the starting post since I also regret that OotS isn't as funny anymore (at least in my opinion). It's still a good comic, that's why I'm still here reading it and posting on these boards. And yes, it's obvious that OotS has a strong fanbase, no matter how many people stop reading it, I never disputed that. But that's no reason for not being allowed to voice opinions against the comic and/or Richs decisions without being branded as a heretic, to put it drastically.

    I don't even want Rich to drop the plot, it's no bad thing that he drastically improved the comic in this regard. In fact quite the opposite. I just think it's a pity he doesn't do as much gags as he used to. This does in no way have to have an impact on the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thidrek View Post
    I don't even want Rich to drop the plot, it's no bad thing that he drastically improved the comic in this regard. In fact quite the opposite. I just think it's a pity he doesn't do as much gags as he used to. This does in no way have to have an impact on the plot.
    It does. Plot demands in-depth interaction between known and developed characters. That means the Giant has already done a lot of the gags that could be relevant to their interactions. On a more general level, a darker and more involved plot necessarily means a de-emphasis on gag-a-day writing. It's not a perfect zero-sum game, but you simply can't maintain the mood of a story arc while constantly interrupting yourself with gags.

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    Re: the Darths and Droids debate. I hate to quote myself here, but...

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    Hey now. We don't need to get into bashing other strips to answer the basic questions here.
    Whether you like it or not, it has no relation to the quality of OOTS. Neither has any other comic mentioned thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJose View Post
    Oh, you took what I posted to it's logical exaggeration. One I never made. That's the problem. I strongly doubt anything on the page I read needed "context" to get. I got them, I also got the origin of the joke reference. I don't find blatant references funny, that's all.
    Fellow, you're not getting this. As someone who has read the entire webcomic, I am telling you that the things you referred to on that page need context to get, and that the things you've said about them indicate not understanding (more specifically, believing you understand and not actually understanding) what they're references to in that webcomic. Lines on that page may have originally come from Lethal Weapon, but that's not their point there.

    Say you don't believe me, if you want, but please quit dodging the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJose View Post
    Rich does all his own art. Darths takes screenies
    Rich created the characters and the story without a 35 year old script to fall back on. Rich has often mentioned not wanting to use D&D as a crutch. Darth & Droids is the opposite extreme of this as everything hinges on what is available from someone else along with the minimum rule set joke requirements.
    You do realise that the characters in Darth & Droids have "little" to "nothing" to do with the original characters George Lucas wrote? They are basically entirely new characters living in the same setting. They act different, they are different, and they are used to tell a different story.

    The fun and parody comes from the fact that we know how the characters actually are and what they said in the movies and that this now totally works out differently because we have different characters (looking the same and being based on the same idea).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJose View Post
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    None of your critiques of Darths and Droids really have anything to do with Darths and Droids. You are setting up a straw man to compare with OOTS. If you want to make a comparison, you should use a comic that you've actually read on a regular basis. To be honest, I also don't think your claim that Darths and Droids "takes a fraction of the time" to produce in comparison to OOTS holds any water.

    But I presume you were trying to make a point about OOTS that got lost in all of this. Could we return to that aspect of the discussion (i.e. to being more on-topic) at this stage? Your Darths and Droids line of reasoning isn't really going anywhere so maybe it is time for a different tack.
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    The last few strips have been more D&D accurate than every strip that proceeds them combined.

    I dont see what the problem is.
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    In fact in light of the wisdom expressed by these posters I am incensed that I have been tricked into reading a comic so heavily based on the evil game of Dungeons and Dragons. PLEASE! Giant make it even more character based and get rid of these disgusting references

    Oh and the nudity and sex too. Kids read this comic!

    More on the point i think this thread has reached its end IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    Re: the Darths and Droids debate. I hate to quote myself here, but...

    Whether you like it or not, it has no relation to the quality of OOTS. Neither has any other comic mentioned thus far.
    Funny thing is I'm not the one who brought it into discussion. It was brought in to bash OotS if anything.

    There isn't anything bashing Darths in my last post. That people still see it as that isn't my problem anymore. I shouldn't have to lick a comic's boots to show I don' hate it either. I know "what" it is. I'm not insulting it for being that but I'm not proclaiming its glory from the mountain top. If people can only translate opinions as Awesome and Garbage that's their deficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doxkid View Post
    The last few strips have been more D&D accurate than every strip that proceeds them combined.
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    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJose View Post
    Funny thing is I'm not the one who brought it into discussion. It was brought in to bash OotS if anything.

    There isn't anything bashing Darths in my last post. That people still see it as that isn't my problem anymore. I shouldn't have to lick a comic's boots to show I don' hate it either. I know "what" it is. I'm not insulting it for being that but I'm not proclaiming its glory from the mountain top. If people can only translate opinions as Awesome and Garbage that's their deficiency.
    Well, there are a few people, such as myself, who see what you're talking about. And yes, I agree with all of your points. There was indeed nothing bashing Darths and Droids in your last post.

    In fact, all you stated was that it was in fact plot based (as the OP seemed to be asserting it wasn't), and that it is not showing signs of being a stunning gag-a-day strip (which the OP seemed to be asserting it was).

    All you stated, from what I can see, that it doesn't show up OotS the way the OP was suggesting, and is in fact more plot driven and less gag-a-day than he asserted. Basically, you were just defending OotS a bit, without really saying anything against Darths -- just pointing out that a) it's technically easier to produce, and b) doesn't display the supposed traits that were ascribed to it as marking out its "superiority" to OotS quite as clearly or strongly as was argued.

    I don't get why half the posters in here are gnashing their teeth like you directed deadly insults at it, either. All you've been saying is that it's not as valid as a criticism of OotS as it was made out to be, in your opinion.
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    Redcloak is breaking the rules! Well, thats shows there ARE rules to break, right?
    Still DnD, folks. Move along nothing more to see here.

    Seriously, this discusion is a quite a bit pointless. Watch out before you start anything nasty. Like refering to Adolf
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    Meh, the mantle leveled Redcloak up in moments and dumped a whole bunch of knowledge in his head. So what if a few custom spells could have been part of that, or even if he took the time to research some (like Durkon is)

    What spells the characters know is the least rules-important issue of the strip and of the game. Stuff like being unable to teleport to safety because you're trapped in a dimension lock, or not knowing when another character uses a supernatural ability - both of which lead directly to a character's death - that's the kind of rules info that's actually plot-relevant.

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    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
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    Well, considering that it's got liches, dragons, paladins who Smite Evil, underpowered bards, powerful magic users, undead, levels, skill points, spell lists, arcane and divine casters, otyughs, and so on, I can't see how you can say that it's not a D&D comic any more.

    Yes, it's not about rule jokes at this point. But it's still totally infused from end to end with 3rd edition D&D rules.
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    That loves the bard with the puppet Lord
    That admires the fighter with the green-hilted sword,
    That employs the Wizard, whose bird is ignored,
    That has the gender unexplored
    That intrigues the Halfling, usually bored,
    That slew a mountain of the goblin horde,
    That follows the cleric,
    That serves the lich,
    That seeks the gate,
    That guards the snarl,
    That lives in the prison the gods built.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thidrek View Post
    I still like it, but I also strongly think that it was a sad and grave error for Rich to drop the original concept the comic started with.
    I am 37 years old. Do you think that when I think about the next 40 years of my life, that I want to spend them making D&D webcomics? No. Of course not. This is my life, not a hobby. This isn't some lark that I'm doing during college that I'll forget about when I get a real job. This is the start of what I hope will be a career that will last the rest of my life. This is how I put food on the table for my family. Eschewing plot and character for a lifetime of easy cracks about Spot checks is not a career. It's pathetic. And it wouldn't last.

    If I'm going to be a writer for a living, then there was ALWAYS going to be a point where I needed to put away the sillier gags and start writing a worthwhile story. Whether that was during OOTS or in between the transition from OOTS to whatever I do next, it was going to happen, or else OOTS becomes just a flash-in-the-pan that is forgotten when the rules it satirizes fade from public consciousness. I don't even think I'm there yet, but at least I've started trying.

    What it comes down to is that I prioritize my overall development as a writer over the short-term enjoyment of that small minority of current readers that only want to see rules-based spoofs. Because most of the people who only want to read rule jokes are already gone. And because there are more people in the world who enjoy good fiction than enjoy good jokes about D&D, and I'm in this for the long haul.

    That said, let's keep away from Mr. Morgan-Mar's webcomic and any bashing thereof. Or my schedule, for that matter.
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