[Nexus] OOC 29: Since When Have Titles Been All That Important, Anyway?

[The Alexandrian]

It's more than a little frustrating that all of that character development was all for naught...
But couldn't we just keep it but change the reason Naku got hurt?

HT is, once again, spot-on in her remark, in my book. If you guys still wanna retcon out the damage incurred by Chez's character though, Clarissa is in the inn right now. She is available for taking the blame for basically anything bad that goes on in there. She is drunk and super-strong, after all.

And then, Dave would be forced to intervene.

Also, if Dave ever clones himself in front of Clarissa, Clarissa will swoon.

Mirror reflections might have the same effect. ...

Clarissa hearts Dave.

[Devixer]

While you're here, Alexandrian, would you mind giving some details about the half of you plot that you want to give to MURDER, or did you want to get that done solely IC?

[Chezmarine]

Or of Course, We Could Say that Ashtrek had Done this back when she was, you know, Talking about killing Naku.

[Mindfreak]

You make a good point Happy, like always.

I'm just going to take the rest of the night off and see if it looks better in the morning.
Being half-asleep isn't a good time for me to be posting anything after all. It always seems in the morning that I so badly miss-spelled something's that there's numbers in them when I get really tired.

And Chez, I really don't know about your suggestion. What you've done has kinda turned me off from roleplaying with you, but if Mee wants to do that I'm up for it, I guess.

EDIT: Not to mention that'd mess with continuity so very much, since a lot happened between Ashtrek being fired and her older version coming into DFI. Like Songdancer proposing to Naku.

[The Bushranger]

HT is, once again, spot-on in her remark, in my book. If you guys still wanna retcon out the damage incurred by Chez's character though, Clarissa is in the inn right now. She is available for taking the blame for basically anything bad that goes on in there. She is drunk and super-strong, after all.

And then, Dave would be forced to intervene.

Also, if Dave ever clones himself in front of Clarissa, Clarissa will swoon.

Mirror reflections might have the same effect. ...

Clarissa hearts Dave.

That reminds me. I really should post for Becky shouldn't I. >_>

[The Alexandrian]

Actually, Rotting Baron, you just caught me as I was about to go comb the NO threads to track down Percilia's physical description! Impeccable timing, you have!

The job is killing an insane director, playwright, and an acting troupe in a horrifically sickening fashion (that's a hyperbole; I'll keep it mellow, I promise) as an example to the criminals of Inside. I'm working on arranging an escort mission to accompany this in Inside with Kerfuffle. With any luck, this will also hammer out the differences between Percilia and Zel so that they can work together eventually.

And IC! I'll explain everything the little that remains IC!

[Chezmarine]

I have a Problem With Deleting Stuff i don't Like Being Known for...

Like my Facebook Page.

And Chez's Old Bio, as well as every Character i Stopped Using.

And Every post of mine that has Earned a Demerit.

[Mindfreak]

Yes, but when you delete the post you just become even more known for for that character. For that post. For any action you take.

Also...should plots usually end with success for the people involved?

[Chezmarine]

Yes, but when you delete the post you just become even more known for for that character. For that post. For any action you take.

Also...should plots usually end with success for the people involved?

I have No Idea. All my Characters are Failures in the Nexus.

[happyturtle]

I have a Problem With Deleting Stuff i don't Like Being Known for...

Like my Facebook Page.

And Chez's Old Bio, as well as every Character i Stopped Using.

And Every post of mine that has Earned a Demerit.

I have nothing to say for facebook, but deleting Bio posts is disrespectful of all the work Kris has put into indexing, and deleting infractioned posts is against Forum Rules.

Chez, if you want to be a member of this community, please respect your fellow players, the official Forum Rules, and the unofficial Nexus guidelines.

[Chezmarine]

Further Proof that I'm a Failure at this Community.

[Slii Arhem]

Also...should plots usually end with success for the people involved?

In my opinion, if the plot isn't worked out to end in success ahead of time OoC (a reasonable, if somewhat [sarcasm]overused[/sarcasm] tactic) then it depends entirely on the person running the plot, and the inventiveness and impressiveness of the players involved.

So, if a character uses a particularly amazing way to disarm a trap or avoid a monster, I give them the credit they're due and let them proceed. If they do something that wouldn't work, they pay the price, whether that means they fail at the plot or are set back slightly and have to try again.

So far, it has worked surprisingly well, on my end anyway. I'm not sure how much others enjoy my plots, since I've only run two of them so far.

[Mindfreak]

I like to think of it like an equivalent exchange/give and take.
Players give to you in scenes and when you take you should give back to the players an equal amount.
But if all you do is take...not many people will want to give.

And Slii...what about when characters just keep pulling asspulls? What then?
I mean, I ask because of the Umbrella Plot going on. I want ThirdEmperor's soldiers(including Pronetheus) to fail and die.
But then again, I wanted them to be a maximum of a C- power level and he made them C+. And he didn't very well define their inventories so he seems to be pulling stuff out of thin air. And at this point I'm kind of even considering just trying to negotiate a retcon for it since I'm getting no enjoyment out of it.
And this is the first time I bring it up after a while because...well I dunno. I'm just kinda fed up with it.

[Chezmarine]

I just Suck at Non-Yiff Roleplaying...

I Really, Really Do...

Maybe i Just Need to Close up Shop if i'm just Pissing you all off.

[Hattish Thing]

ER...Maybe a new, slightly more peaceful character could be made? Please don't eat me.

[Slii Arhem]

Okay, first thing first is to step back and look at this another way.

First of all, if your OoC urge is to kill the characters, temper that with the IC/OoC divide we should keep for all interactions, plot, small talk, or PC-to-PC combat. Your opinions shouldn't affect your characters, and the way your characters are treated should not affect your opinions of the other player.

Of course, this rarely works in practice, and if you're feeling this way constantly about this particular plot, then simply waiting for steam to blow off might not cut it.

And if someone truly is playing to win, and you have no other recourse but to play just as hard or ask OoC for another option, I'd go with the latter. A retcon may be too harsh, but asking people to tone things down and play by the rules that everyone was asked in the beginning to follow when the plot started. It may seem futile, but you should explore that option one last time before moving on to drastic measures.

This is all collaberative, and if people can't get over winning enough to share the experience then you need to step back, take a breath, and work things out OoC before things get worse.

[Chezmarine]

This has nothing to do with winning. It has to do with the Fact that People don't like me and/or my Characters, and the Fact that i Fail at Roleplaying. I've had only one other FFRP Expirience that i'm Kinda Infamous (And was Actually Banned from The Site's Forums) For. I have trouble Following the Rules, I DON'T Play too well with others, and I'm Stubborn. I can write and Interact well with Plots, But when it comes to Other People's Characters (And Sometimes Other People), I make mistakes that Just Piss Everyone off. The FFRP Rules aren't Engraved into my Brain, and I Don't refresh myself as often as i should.

So what happens? This does.

[Slii Arhem]

This has nothing to do with winning. It has to do with the Fact that People don't like me and/or my Characters, and the Fact that i Fail at Roleplaying. I've had only one other FFRP Expirience that i'm Kinda Infamous (And was Actually Banned from The Site's Forums) For. I have trouble Following the Rules. I DON'T Play too well with others.

Chez, I was talking to Mindfreak about his Umbrella troubles, not trying to attack you. It's your own choice whether you stay or go, and I'm staying out of this particular conversation.

[The Alexandrian]

No! You are most certainly not a failure, mister! Don't mope about it or condemn yourself over something as common as a little mistake!

My first two characters were pariahs in the Nexus! I godmodded the living bejeezus out of AMEN! A whole organization turned against them and gunned them down with extreme prejudice just because TE's character lied to them! I got taken and I thought about quitting right then and there. I decided not to do so. I figured that my first couple of characters in the Nexus were going to anger a group of people. I accepted that my head would roll a stressful, rather aggravating number of times before I succeeded with one character! But I did it anyways, if only to prove a point.

In the Nexus, there is a learning curve. It is pretty easy to spot who is at the bottom and who is at the top. But it is a learning curve. We're all supposed to mess up when we start. What separates us from the rest, however, is that we don't call it quits just because something goes wrong. This is the internet! Of course things are going to be misinterpreted! That's a given.

If you truly like rping here, by all means stay. I for one accept that it takes time to learn how the Nexus functions because that's exactly what happened to me!

Just look at how I turned out!

...

No. That probably isn't an inspiring thought, come to think of it.

Just try sticking a character in an org and mimic everyone else's general play-style in that org! That's what I did with AMEN! AMEN has infighting all the time! 'S a nice transition, in my opinion (which isn't worth so much as a dollar on the open market).

And Mind? Umbrella was working on a prototype Clarissa bioweapon, right? Perhaps I could try my hand at roughing up Prometheus. I don't have that sort of stuff down to a "science" (this is great pun ) yet, but Clarissa 2 should knock him down a few notches, at the very least.

And if anybody's power level needs to be nerfed, it is Pro's. No offense, but in Admiral Ackbar style, "That's no 'C'."

He seems more like an exalt than anything else.

[Chezmarine]

{{Scrubbed}}

[The Alexandrian]

EDIT: And Deadtime. Be back in the morning, folks! And if I haven't responded to you at least once by now, please poke me, as the scene has probably slipped my mind entirely

[ThirdEmperor]

And Slii...what about when characters just keep pulling asspulls? What then?
I mean, I ask because of the Umbrella Plot going on. I want ThirdEmperor's soldiers(including Pronetheus) to fail and die.
But then again, I wanted them to be a maximum of a C- power level and he made them C+. And he didn't very well define their inventories so he seems to be pulling stuff out of thin air. And at this point I'm kind of even considering just trying to negotiate a retcon for it since I'm getting no enjoyment out of it.
And this is the first time I bring it up after a while because...well I dunno. I'm just kinda fed up with it.[/QUOTE]

I.... Honestly don't remember you stating you wanted the characters involved to be C- powerlevel. The criteria I remember was that they had to be killable (they are) and low-power enough that zombies would have a chance of defeating them (You didn't give a quantity of zombies, so I assumed a mob of twenty to thirty). I don't have the best memory, but I certainly don't recall you ever outright saying they had to be C-.

As for their inventories, I actually do have those fairly well defined. Each soldier carries a shotgun, two clips of ammo for said shotgun, one cartridge of special adhesive ammo ((yes yes, one of them did try to use two adhesive shots, as I mentioned I'd forgotten the adhesive ammo didn't come in clips)) one pistol, one clip of pistol ammo, a combat knife, rappelling gear, two syringes and one test tube each for gathering samples and one smoke grenade. Additionally, one out of every three has a basic tool kit. Basic tool kits include screwdriver, wrench, collapsible claw hammer, as well as various size screws and nails.

Prometheus is currently carrying a shotgun, razor-sharp longsword, solar-powered laser pistol in case of vampires, buckler shield, incendiary and tranquilizer grenades, a dartgun complete with five different strengths of sedative darts and a metric truckload of syringes.

The armor worn is Excelsior's standard double-layered type, capable of stopping bullets from distances as close as 100 feet, less good against slashing or bludgeoning type attacks. It's also pretty much useless against zombies due to the helmet being a separate article, leaving the neck largely defenseless and the brains easily eaten if the helmet is torn off by an undead mob.

I can reduce them down to C- and have been working on doing so ever since you stated that you'd like a lower power level for this plot, you might note that Erbium was basically pummeled senseless whilst inflicting attacks of, at best, minimal effectiveness. If you've got any suggestions on how they could be retconed down a little or otherwise altered to better fit the umbrella plot, please do tell.
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On a different note, Chez, you really shouldn't give up. Sure, you've made mistakes and gotten into a few OoC disagreements, but I very much doubt anyone here wants you to leave. I certainly don't. The best you can do is learn what you can from those mistakes and try again. In this case, maybe start some new, less violent characters, not retiring Chez and Ash but just kinda putting them off to the side for a while?

Or just listen to Alexandrian, he puts it much more eloquently.

[Lady Serpentine]

Er... Mindfreak, I don't think I got that memo about C- either. Tirin without his gear is around there against zombies, and that's because his empathic stuff doesn't work on them (at least, assuming I remember the scaling correctly... That's around 'maximum human capabilities', right?). With it, he's at least a C to a C+.

[Zefir]

*poks C'Nor to Inside see HERE*

[Mindfreak]

About the C'nor...
I'm more fine with there being one or two C to C+ level characters in the plot, but not a whole squad of them.

And I don't want to "win" the Umbrella plot myself, I simply want all of Prometheus' and Prometheus to die. They could actually get the information they came for but die in the process.
And with all of the crazy stuff that has happened in Umbrella, none of them is likely to survive to the last floor.

And TE, actually laying out your character's inventory. That's much better for me.

And Alexandrian, that sounds like an awesome idea. I'll send you the details for how far they got with the Clarissa Bioweapon.
Yes, that's right.
Bioweapon.

You see, Umbrella's main idea for Clarissa's DNA was to engineer super soldiers.
However, out of that project and the others centered around Clarissa's DNA, only a Bioweapon based off of it was created.

[Gullara]

And I don't want to "win" the Umbrella plot myself, I simply want all of Prometheus' and Prometheus to die. They could actually get the information they came for but die in the process.
And with all of the crazy stuff that has happened in Umbrella, none of them is likely to survive to the last floor.

Okay, Mindfreak, that is several different kinds of not okay. It should never be your OoC goal to kill off another person's character. Ever. It's even worse when those characters are in a plot you control. You need to take a step back, cool down, and reassess if you should be running plots at all if this is your reaction to frustration, much less continue this plot.

[Mindfreak]

It was my impression that Prometheus and the soldiers he brought were all AMEN Henchmen. Thus, they'd just be cloned if they died and therefore their deaths are acceptable.
I do not wish to kill off anyone's character if they wouldn't just be instantly cloned.

And I should restate what I previously said.
I want Prometheus and his soldiers not to succeed. That's how I want the plot to go.

[Beans]

*pokes Mindy to Home if he has the time*

[Morty]

A month ago, I made a post describing what I've chosen to call "IC bullying". Recent events have made me think about it again. Do you think it ought to be put in the OP of the Nexus OoC, or maybe even the FFRP Guide?

[Chezmarine]

After the Gnoll Attack plot in Outside Finishes, I will be taking my Leave.

Why?
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