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    The only reason that I don't incorporate queens into my existing strategies is speed and my own limited capacity to micro. I can't handle both Infestors and Queens in the same battle and I try for highly mobile compositions. I avoid Infestor/Broodlord as my kill sequence, preferring Ultralisks instead.

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    I know queens are good.
    They have the spread larva and creep tumor abilities, which are really awesome. Also they have range AND can attack air units.
    Every hatchery should have at least one.

    That being said, i was only debating their ability as a fighting unit themselves.
    They never struck me as doing that much damage (but i guess i only encountered one or two of them at a time), you can't reliably use them for offence (since they're so slow) they can only be built at Hatcheries (of which you'll have...4?5?) and take a long time to make.

    If you lose 10 of them, how much time does it take to make them again?

    Anyway i guess i'm wrong, and i've never seen mass queens actually played. i guess they can Transfuse each other for effective NI hit points (but i guess after a certain point a group of units can focus-fire one queen in one shot)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandariel View Post
    it also takes a lot to make them, and they never struck me as particularly good in any part of a game..
    They are great early game, and late late game. Well, more than 1 per hatch. They are always important 1 per hatch.

    Sometimes you can do some crazy stuff with them, but mostly those two times is because they aren't weak to anything early game, and they can keep your T3 stuff alive late game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandariel View Post
    I know queens are good.
    They have the spread larva and creep tumor abilities, which are really awesome. Also they have range AND can attack air units.
    Every hatchery should have at least one.

    That being said, i was only debating their ability as a fighting unit themselves.
    They never struck me as doing that much damage (but i guess i only encountered one or two of them at a time), you can't reliably use them for offence (since they're so slow) they can only be built at Hatcheries (of which you'll have...4?5?) and take a long time to make.

    If you lose 10 of them, how much time does it take to make them again?

    Anyway i guess i'm wrong, and i've never seen mass queens actually played. i guess they can Transfuse each other for effective NI hit points (but i guess after a certain point a group of units can focus-fire one queen in one shot)

    Queen/infestor/broodlod is awesome. You're very low on gas, due to the high cost of the broods and infestors. Queens make a much better mineral dump than lings, because they're more durable, shoot up (goodbye little vikings), and can keep your high cost units alive. They also move slow, like the rest of your army, so it's less micro intensive.

    Here's a pretty good idea of what it looks like:
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    Ultralisks with full armor upgrades and Queen support are kinda fun. They're nigh invulnerable to the lower tier units, and the Queen can top them up easily enough. It's not even hard to Micro that. And the Anti Air capability? Icing on the cake.

    Bad news is, super vulnerable to Phoenixes.

    Queens + Broods with some Muta/Ling support? Oh yeah, fun times.
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    Hmm sorry for not showing up at all last Saturday but i kind of hand't been on gitp to know anyone was planning to show up. Also as to switching to other days, currently my schedule is pretty free. Like I can do it any day past 2 pst and on most days earlier then that. I would like to get the session going again if we can. My major problem with playing SC2 is that for a while not many people(I play with) played it. So speaking of that my worst match up seems to still be pvz so any ideas on how to deal with it? or should I just always 7 gate robo or some other all-in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karoht View Post
    Ultralisks with full armor upgrades and Queen support are kinda fun. They're nigh invulnerable to the lower tier units, and the Queen can top them up easily enough. It's not even hard to Micro that. And the Anti Air capability? Icing on the cake.

    Bad news is, super vulnerable to Phoenixes.

    Queens + Broods with some Muta/Ling support? Oh yeah, fun times.
    How is it super vulnerable to phoenix? They can't lift ultras (even if they could it would deal like no damage) and mass queen is a pretty good counter to phoenix.
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    It's more that Phoenix with Range upgrade can just peg off a queen, rotate, peg off a queen. You can do it without losses if you're quick on the micro. Most times that strat hits, it's Queen/Festor/BL. The Phoenixes are fast enough that people worse at micro than you are probably going towaste energy trying to Fungal you, and once you're done with the queens, it's child's play to eat up the festors and BL's.

    Of course, if they are better at micro than YOU, then it's Fungal+Queen FTW.

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    He's talking about Ultralisk/Infestor/Queen, not Brood Lord/Infestor/Queen. Bit of a difference in how they play out.

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    Does the game still have the region lock thing going on?
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    Does the game still have the region lock thing going on?
    Sadly yes. So if you are planning on getting it and want to play with us you would need an NA copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legoshrimp View Post
    Hmm sorry for not showing up at all last Saturday but i kind of hand't been on gitp to know anyone was planning to show up. Also as to switching to other days, currently my schedule is pretty free. Like I can do it any day past 2 pst and on most days earlier then that. I would like to get the session going again if we can. My major problem with playing SC2 is that for a while not many people(I play with) played it. So speaking of that my worst match up seems to still be pvz so any ideas on how to deal with it? or should I just always 7 gate robo or some other all-in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant Sheep View Post
    My Battle.net account got hacked, so I'm out for the forseeable future. I hadn't played anything recently anyway, and I don't feel like calling it in. BFME2 and Stronghold have found me again.
    Call it in, asap. I did that when my old WoW account got hacked and it was a good thing I did. Get it fixed and then you have it later on.

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    So how about that local esports team?

    Anyone find any good UMS from the new arcade system?
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    So how about that local esports team?

    Anyone find any good UMS from the new arcade system?
    Not yet, but that's because I haven't really looked. I plan on being on sc2 today! so session if anyone else wants to show up. I will be up for playing basically anything. I might play lol if no one is on just send me a message on steam if you want to play and I am not on (steamid: legoshrimp)

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    I ended up back in Gold again. I feel alright about it, as heck, they're gonna release HOTS soon and I can get back into platinum while people are all still sorting heads from arses.

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    Funday Monday today is going to be the latest Heart of the Swarm Battle Report. Anybody who cares should try to catch it live.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHSxETDE8o
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    The HotS battle report was awesome. I'm so glad day 9 is doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyeudo View Post
    Funday Monday today is going to be the latest Heart of the Swarm Battle Report. Anybody who cares should try to catch it live.

    I have to work.
    European timezone. I'm one of his eternally mentioned Archive viewers.

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    The HotS battle report was awesome. I'm so glad day 9 is doing it.
    It was. It's a nice distraction from the mess that was Patch 1.5

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    Well, I thought I'd try my hand again and my skills have degenerated really badly. Would people like to help me out with some practice and maybe build advice? I forgot everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverraptor View Post
    Well, I thought I'd try my hand again and my skills have degenerated really badly. Would people like to help me out with some practice and maybe build advice? I forgot everything.
    I am up for practice. (Edit: in general not at this moment or for like 6-7 hours

    Also next saturday we should have a session! or some other day if saturdays don't really work for people.
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    ooh, ooh, I vote for...not saturday!

    Actually, most sundays work a lot better for me. Blasted weird work schedule and all >_>;
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    well, whenever anyone has a schdule they'd like to practice on, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thiyr View Post
    ooh, ooh, I vote for...not saturday!

    Actually, most sundays work a lot better for me. Blasted weird work schedule and all >_>;
    sundays also work for me although i normally won't be on till 2-3pst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverraptor View Post
    well, whenever anyone has a schdule they'd like to practice on, let me know.
    message me and ill practice with you

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    message me and ill practice with you
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    Barcraft this sunday was great.
    Leenock won yet again. But the last match had a really cool finish.

    Mothership VS Broodlord/Infestor/Ling/Blings.

    Mothership dropps a Vortex. Catches a massive pile of Stalkers, unfortunately missed the Infestors, got a bunch of Broodlords.
    Infestors proceed to move to safe zone, and unload ALL the eggs they could afford to dump down the toilet.

    Vortex ends, Stalkers are surrounded by Infested Marines.
    The Zerg answer to the Archon Toilet is the Infested Toilet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Legoshrimp View Post
    sundays also work for me although i normally won't be on till 2-3pst
    Sundays are better for me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant Sheep View Post
    My Battle.net account got hacked, so I'm out for the forseeable future. I hadn't played anything recently anyway, and I don't feel like calling it in. BFME2 and Stronghold have found me again.
    I was mistaken! (Unless whoever hacked it changed the password back or something). I was lazing around today and decided to try and get into my Bnet account and IT WORKED AND I WAS SHOCKED. I seemingly just forgot I changed my password to it before. (I change passwords like, every 2 weeks. Keeps me feeling safer.) I can actually make the revival session, if you guys want a sucky player who is even worse than he was before.
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