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    Isnt the shield cutting up the alien nommng you? why not shoot that one?
    You'll learn that sometimes (read:most) silver raptor is a bit special, and ignoring it is what to do. :P
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    Have you seen how the newly-patched Widow Mines work? They're SO strong
    Stay out of the shadows, they bite.


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    You'll learn that sometimes (read:most) silver raptor is a bit special, and ignoring it is what to do. :P
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    its at... 5 PM eastern, right? I can MAKE IT MAYBE!
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    I'm getting food, then I'll be on.

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    If this work goes well, And I have a chance for th comuter, I might make it. But naturally, some family thing I didnt know about until two hours before it starts is gonna happen in an hour, so grooooan.

    Oh just go and make it official, bob the silvervosh.

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    Sorry, I am there now though :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandariel View Post
    Have you seen how the newly-patched Widow Mines work? They're SO strong
    Honestly, I think parts of the Starcraft community are starting to get tired of the major over haul of the unit designs. At this point we've seen:

    Warhounds -> no Warhounds
    Widow Mines attach to units -> widow mines are burrowed banelings -> widow mines are terran swarm hosts
    oracle can block mining/reveal area -> oracle can block mining/grant immunity to fungals -> oracle can block mining/suck minerals out of buildings
    Mothership core stays attached to nexus -> mothership floats around -> purify can now be used to give nexus an attack and core attaches -> purify can be used on nexus and core doesn't attach

    I know that beta testing is for the purpose of making sure that nothing is ridiculously imbalanced, but it feels like every time I get adjusted to how things are working, units get completely redesigned. So I guess I'm just going to hold off on HOTS until the actual game is finished and is released. Though I wish the casters I follow would get back into the WOL scene again.

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    So I believe the honourable Mutant Sheep and I made tentative plans for a match at some point. I should like to make good on that -- I may be available later this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaughingGnoll View Post
    Honestly, I think parts of the Starcraft community are starting to get tired of the major over haul of the unit designs. At this point we've seen:

    Warhounds -> no Warhounds
    Widow Mines attach to units -> widow mines are burrowed banelings -> widow mines are terran swarm hosts
    oracle can block mining/reveal area -> oracle can block mining/grant immunity to fungals -> oracle can block mining/suck minerals out of buildings
    Mothership core stays attached to nexus -> mothership floats around -> purify can now be used to give nexus an attack and core attaches -> purify can be used on nexus and core doesn't attach

    I know that beta testing is for the purpose of making sure that nothing is ridiculously imbalanced, but it feels like every time I get adjusted to how things are working, units get completely redesigned. So I guess I'm just going to hold off on HOTS until the actual game is finished and is released. Though I wish the casters I follow would get back into the WOL scene again.
    Frankly I'm glad they are doing big changes like that. That said I agree I would rather watch WoL rather than a constantly changing meta like HotS is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneenibble View Post
    So I believe the honourable Mutant Sheep and I made tentative plans for a match at some point. I should like to make good on that -- I may be available later this evening.

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    Sadly I cant make it tomorrow and this week is a..weirded schedule (PSAT, PLAN, Dentist... But TECHNICALLY i dot have school wednesday to friday, so its like, a lonnnng weekend. But psat is time taker and study time and augh. *giggles about Canadian Thanksgivimg*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant Sheep View Post
    Sadly I cant make it tomorrow and this week is a..weirded schedule (PSAT, PLAN, Dentist... But TECHNICALLY i dot have school wednesday to friday, so its like, a lonnnng weekend. But psat is time taker and study time and augh. *giggles about Canadian Thanksgivimg*
    No problem. Whenever you have time. My ID is in the pool now, at least.

    Canadian Thanksgiving is a thing of beauty and dignity not to be giggled at, thou woolgathering clod ;_____;

    Nay, I cannot stay mad at thee. *pets wool*
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    No problem. Whenever you have time. My ID is in the pool now, at least.

    Canadian Thanksgiving is a thing of beauty and dignity not to be giggled at, thou woolgathering clod ;_____;

    Nay, I cannot stay mad at thee. *pets wool*
    Yeah, I'll see when I ahve time and try and let you know.

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    Honestly, I think parts of the Starcraft community are starting to get tired of the major over haul of the unit designs. At this point we've seen:

    Warhounds -> no Warhounds
    Widow Mines attach to units -> widow mines are burrowed banelings -> widow mines are terran swarm hosts
    oracle can block mining/reveal area -> oracle can block mining/grant immunity to fungals -> oracle can block mining/suck minerals out of buildings
    Mothership core stays attached to nexus -> mothership floats around -> purify can now be used to give nexus an attack and core attaches -> purify can be used on nexus and core doesn't attach

    I know that beta testing is for the purpose of making sure that nothing is ridiculously imbalanced, but it feels like every time I get adjusted to how things are working, units get completely redesigned. So I guess I'm just going to hold off on HOTS until the actual game is finished and is released. Though I wish the casters I follow would get back into the WOL scene again.
    Welcome to Blizzard, where nothing is constant.
    Personally, I think it's from too many years of patching WoW. Nothing is solid anymore, everything is mercurial.
    If they want SC2 to be a serious, pro sport thing with spectators who will actually pay to watch games, they can't go changing the rules whenever the whim strikes them.

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    Welcome to Blizzard, where nothing is constant.
    Personally, I think it's from too many years of patching WoW. Nothing is solid anymore, everything is mercurial.
    If they want SC2 to be a serious, pro sport thing with spectators who will actually pay to watch games, they can't go changing the rules whenever the whim strikes them.
    And they don't. But that is a beta, it is meant to be mercurial, because they are still trying to find out what works and what don't. The WoL beta was exactly the same, and the metagame evolved overtime on that too (WoL's metagame changed quite a bit the last two years too).

    It will happen again in LotV, I am positive it also happened during the transitions from Reign of Chaos to The Frozen Throne and from SC to Brood War. It's just how it works.
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    wha.... why are widow mines.... super ultra lurkers that can attack air... now....

    why did they think this would be balanced again? :l, who is designing this, some bronze league terran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stille_Nacht View Post
    wha.... why are widow mines.... super ultra lurkers that can attack air... now....

    why did they think this would be balanced again? :l, who is designing this, some bronze league terran?
    Yeah, I agree they're broken. They're even going through Immortals Harden shields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draken View Post
    And they don't. But that is a beta, it is meant to be mercurial, because they are still trying to find out what works and what don't. The WoL beta was exactly the same, and the metagame evolved overtime on that too (WoL's metagame changed quite a bit the last two years too).

    It will happen again in LotV, I am positive it also happened during the transitions from Reign of Chaos to The Frozen Throne and from SC to Brood War. It's just how it works.
    Actually, the WoL Beta was quite different. While I'll concede that some abilities and upgrades got removed up to the 18th patch, there weren't nearly as many larger changes such as "removing an entire unit" and "repurposing the same unit several times". Most of the changes were adjusting individual units in cost, supply, unit typing, etc. Of course those changes make a huge difference to the meta-game, but not on the same scale that they've done with the Widow Mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaughingGnoll View Post
    Actually, the WoL Beta was quite different. While I'll concede that some abilities and upgrades got removed up to the 18th patch, there weren't nearly as many larger changes such as "removing an entire unit" and "repurposing the same unit several times". Most of the changes were adjusting individual units in cost, supply, unit typing, etc. Of course those changes make a huge difference to the meta-game, but not on the same scale that they've done with the Widow Mine.
    New units in Blizzard games get idiotically powerful buffs in the middle of their kinky nerf session. Of course, they lost their ears long before this to preserve their sanity from the Blizz forums. (Because the units themselves, they have accounts. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acanous View Post
    Welcome to Blizzard, where nothing is constant.
    Personally, I think it's from too many years of patching WoW. Nothing is solid anymore, everything is mercurial.
    If they want SC2 to be a serious, pro sport thing with spectators who will actually pay to watch games, they can't go changing the rules whenever the whim strikes them.
    It's already an eSport with rather a popular following. Yeup, people will still pay to be spectators regardless of changing rules.
    Other eSports have had changing rules, they still have spectators.
    Most people paying attention to eSports games accept this as a given.

    People complain if things become too static as well. In the video game world, being static is probably worse than being dynamic, as people will just move to the next game if there isn't something to change it up. It goes both ways.

    Lastly, beta is beta is beta. Change is a near constant in beta testing cycles. Consider that Blizzard was entirely willing to pull other new units or scrap abilities on units and start completely from scratch (Reploid), as opposed to launching with them and having to fix them later. Not too many companies out there are that commited to getting it right, to the point where they will say 'screw the investors and their demands, we are delaying shipping this product until it is better.'
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    Anyone remember when roaches started with 2 armour and cost 1 supply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneenibble View Post
    Anyone remember when roaches started with 2 armour and cost 1 supply?
    Those were the daaaaaaaaays. (Because toss and zerg need a unit that costs one-single supply that isn't a worker, obviously. *grump* *Did not do the old Starcraft, or the beta except for once*)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneenibble View Post
    Anyone remember when roaches started with 2 armour and cost 1 supply?
    Nope. But I heard about it and no one would build maraders then either.

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    Remember when Fungal Growth lasted eight seconds and nobody complained about "removing micro from the game"?

    The infestor had a ton of spell changes during the WoL beta, as I recall. Roaches and hydras bounced around as well.

    Did the original tempest (melee carrier) ever enter the beta? Or was it cut in alpha?
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    Remember the planet cracker Mothership ability?
    Or the pheonix overcharge(i think it was called) ability?

    Session tomorrow. I'm not going to be there, as it is Mom's birthday, but there you have it folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobVosh View Post
    Remember the planet cracker Mothership ability?
    Or the pheonix overcharge(i think it was called) ability?

    Session tomorrow. I'm not going to be there, as it is Mom's birthday, but there you have it folks.
    Just tell her that starcraft > real life obligations. I am sure she will understand.

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    Alright, I just played a game and I have no idea how I could have dealt with what he did. He just endlessly pushed with huge marine armies, which he supported through a ridiculous number of orbital commands and 80+ workers. I did my normal anti-bio army, infestor/ling, but he kept pushing so hard that my infestors were almost out of energy.

    Someone take a look and tell me what I was supposed to do differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyeudo View Post
    Alright, I just played a game and I have no idea how I could have dealt with what he did. He just endlessly pushed with huge marine armies, which he supported through a ridiculous number of orbital commands and 80+ workers. I did my normal anti-bio army, infestor/ling, but he kept pushing so hard that my infestors were almost out of energy.

    Someone take a look and tell me what I was supposed to do differently.
    everything was good until the 8 min mark where you saw he had a 3rd CC building. you needed to either take a 3rd in or put on some pressure in response to that. you waited way too long to expand to your third. this allows him to gain a massive economic advantage which he holds throughout the game.

    At the 12 min mark you are just about to start your 3rd/4th but he has an income advantage over you which is really bad.

    at the 14:10 min mark you attack into his planetary and 2 bunkers at his 3rd
    this was pretty much all in at this point because unless you did significant damage he would be at a massive advantage. You did damage because you destroyed his 3rd and some scvs, but it wasnt enough.

    at the 15 min mark he has around 90 scvs and is mining from 3 bases and about to take his 4th. You on the other hand have about 60 drones mining from 3 bases but you do have a 4th made.

    You don't really do any other aggression despite being far behind economically and eventually slowly die by trying to play a standard game with a 30 worker disadvantage.

    TL:DR you got outmacroed because your opponent took a huge risk and got away with it.
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    Blizzard should just realize that BW is unsurpassable and re-release that with some GUI polish as HotS.

    I mean... spider mines? Goliaths? Lurkers? Arbiters? Dark Swarm? Come on blizzard, we aren't dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spuddles View Post
    Blizzard should just realize that BW is unsurpassable and re-release that with some GUI polish as HotS.

    I mean... spider mines? Goliaths? Lurkers? Arbiters? Dark Swarm? Come on blizzard, we aren't dumb.
    They are pretty much are the same units as their predecessors with only the slightest of changes. I am glad i am not the only one who thought this.

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