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    I disagree; just as much of, if not more of meschlum's work is just means to facilitate a solution.

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    Meschlum periodically mentions that playing as a rashka is a bad idea if you want to "win" because you will and then nobody will ever play with you again. If you are willing to throttle back your power, merely enabling seemingly impossible things to be accomplished with ease (which is standard for exalted) a Fey is about middle of the pack.

    In short, his creations do exactly what you want and lots more if you dare. But if you want to be the best archer ever, there are fair folk for that. If you want to turn everyone in a large area into ponies, there are fair folk for that. If you want to create the most destructive weapon ever? There are fair folk for that. If you want to trick your competitors into giving you all their stuff and trapping themselves in an alternate dimension, there are fair folk for that. If you want to turn the virtues and memories of your slaves into sausage, there are fair folk for that. If you want to be more virtuous than Ignis Divine, there are fair folk for that. If you want to make The Ebon Dragon look like a saint, there are fair folk for that, though it is hard to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    Meschlum periodically mentions that playing as a rashka is a bad idea if you want to "win" because you will and then nobody will ever play with you again. If you are willing to throttle back your power, merely enabling seemingly impossible things to be accomplished with ease (which is standard for exalted) a Fey is about middle of the pack.

    In short, his creations do exactly what you want and lots more if you dare. But if you want to be the best archer ever, there are fair folk for that. If you want to turn everyone in a large area into ponies, there are fair folk for that. If you want to create the most destructive weapon ever? There are fair folk for that. If you want to trick your competitors into giving you all their stuff and trapping themselves in an alternate dimension, there are fair folk for that. If you want to turn the virtues and memories of your slaves into sausage, there are fair folk for that. If you want to be more virtuous than Ignis Divine, there are fair folk for that. If you want to make The Ebon Dragon look like a saint, there are fair folk for that, though it is hard to do.
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    Frankly, I was considering setting it a bit earlier than DotFA's default, but it's possible either way.
    I'm thinking a Zenith Caste who Exalted a bit younger than is usual. About 17 or so, so if we're going by standard DotFA character creation, she's 18 by the time the game starts. Still a bit naive, but she'd have the advantage that the Gens that serves her honestly wants to help.

    Also, Limit Break idea: complete lack of mercy towards enemy. Does it work, or too narrow? The idea's for a Compassion Limit Break, triggered by seeing mercy abused.


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    Quote Originally Posted by horngeek View Post
    I'm thinking a Zenith Caste who Exalted a bit younger than is usual. About 17 or so, so if we're going by standard DotFA character creation, she's 18 by the time the game starts. Still a bit naive, but she'd have the advantage that the Gens that serves her honestly wants to help.
    Sounds interesting.

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    Also, Limit Break idea: complete lack of mercy towards enemy.
    That's just called, "Low Compassion, high Conviction."

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    Does it work, or too narrow?
    Does seem a bit narrow, and particularly odd for a Compassion Limit Break. What do you mean by "seeing mercy abused," though?
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    Idea for Curse: Valor Curse triggered by being annoyed and not being able to deal with the annoyance. Uncontrolled makes the character flip out and start chewing out everyone, pointing out everything wrong with them. Controlled limits the flipping out to the source of the annoyance if they are present. If not, metaphorically shoot the messenger.

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    So a watered-down Berserk Anger?
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    Simple: character shows mercy. If target of mercy goes and abuses that mercy by continuing to oppose character and character finds out about it, then Limit gain.

    Eh, if it's too narrow, I'll just go for Compassionate Matyrdom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by horngeek View Post
    Simple: character shows mercy. If target of mercy goes and abuses that mercy by continuing to oppose character and character finds out about it, then Limit gain.
    I dunno, something about it just seems a tad off to me.

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    Eh, if it's too narrow, I'll just go for Compassionate Matyrdom.
    Compassionate Martyrdom works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
    So a watered-down Berserk Anger?
    Fair point. It's just that Limit Breaks are supposed to be based off the personality of the character, and the Valor ones are Courage and Violence, and what I'm aiming for with this is Pride.

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    Cool. I'll get to building my character now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganurath View Post
    Fair point. It's just that Limit Breaks are supposed to be based off the personality of the character, and the Valor ones are Courage and Violence, and what I'm aiming for with this is Pride.
    Considering that Berserk Anger triggers when you're insulted, I'd say it's pride-based, too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganurath View Post
    Fair point. It's just that Limit Breaks are supposed to be based off the personality of the character, and the Valor ones are Courage and Violence, and what I'm aiming for with this is Pride.
    Berserk Anger triggers when you are insulted, and Foolhardy Contempt triggers when you are challenged. I would say Valor falls under Pride.
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    A seperate thread should probably be started for the game...


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    Quote Originally Posted by horngeek View Post
    A seperate thread should probably be started for the game...
    I'll get around to it... when I'm not feeling so laaaaaazy.
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    Mmkay.

    Also, something I've been wondering, and I'd like input.

    This is another of my 'what type of Exalted is {insert random fictional character here}?'.

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    We're still knocking out Sidereals. It should be completed some time this morning.

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    Huh, really? Solars already have quite a few. I had assumed that they would have to make do with them, just tweaked a bit.

    Abyssals really need some more stuff, though.
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    Huh, really? Solars already have quite a few. I had assumed that they would have to make do with them, just tweaked a bit.

    Abyssals really need some more stuff, though.
    One advantage Abyssals have is that a lot of Solar Charms can be Mirrored. One may imagine that Overdrives are included in this.


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    Mmkay.

    Also, something I've been wondering, and I'd like input.

    This is another of my 'what type of Exalted is {insert random fictional character here}?'.

    Miko. Yes, that Miko.

    Go.
    Solar. Or maybe abyssal. Or possibly Dragonblooded.
    She thinks of herself as heroic, and she's endowed with beyond human power, which implies solar. However, she is constantly doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, or more commonly the reverse, so I cooould argue abyssal.
    Dragonblooded is because she considers her duty vital, even though she messes it up, and follows tradition and honour. Possibly a Lookshy terrestrial?

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    For a certain definition of advantage. :P
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    Considering that Berserk Anger triggers when you're insulted, I'd say it's pride-based, too...
    I mean the sort of pride that wouldn't result in a premature end to one's attendance of a Deliberative debate.

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    Fair enough. Anyway, here's the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horngeek View Post
    Mmkay.

    Also, something I've been wondering, and I'd like input.

    This is another of my 'what type of Exalted is {insert random fictional character here}?'.

    Miko. Yes, that Miko.

    Go.
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    Wait, who's Piro?

    Aren't we talking about Miko Miyazaki from OotS here?
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    I go away, and what do I find upon returning?

    A whole new thread! Hurrah!

    Catching up...

    Yes, the whole 'create copies of Luna' thing has moderate shenanigans. It's also based on one of the (few) Charms that have gone through errata without modification, so one could interpret that as allowing... flexible... readings. There are ways to get around it, but they call for stronger shenanigans, even if they are closer to being by the book.

    As far as I know, none of the bits of Grace Magic I've made are not allowed by the rules (though I do indulge in occasional bits of extrapolation - employing an outward facing Elemental Transformation instead of Bestial, because it makes the fluff nicer, say. Or allowing Heart Stealing Kiss to drain different virtues (in limited amounts) due to context). Fair Folk have enough option diversity that they can do a lot, given foreknowledge. Or a few charms.

    But that's all boring!


    Curse of the Demon Pig

    This Curse is an ancient work of the Raksha, part of a set of weird devices claimed from the Wyld when the notion of conquering Creation first manifested in the realms of Chaos. Those who find it alone may view it as less than impressive, but it remains a potent work of glamour nonetheless.

    In order to activate the Curse, its owner must kidnap the legitimate ruler of a kingdom, then travel through that land while laughing maniacally. So long as the ruler remains alive and imprisoned, the Curse will grant its master great power over the nation's people, turning them into strange animal hybrids and ensuring they serve. Stronger willed beings (and, for some unknown reason, merchants) can resist this transformation, but most find themselves incapable of leaving their homes instead.

    4-dot Oneiromancy
    Assumption of the City's Heart - the Curse can affect a few thousand people, which is quite enough for most practical purposes. It manifests as a strange triangular gap with undefined edges, and can only be contained by placing three suitable triangular blocks around it.
    Mad God Mien - breaking the Curse requires an actual quest, not just counter-magic.
    Bestial Transformation - ordinary folk in the area affected by the Curse become strange meldings of human and animal, picking up a few delusions, the occasional ranged attack, and unnatural resilience - enough that when apparently slain they may well rise again and go on as before a few hours later.
    Ordinary Object Conjuration - upon dropping transformed beings, more or less permanently, the Curse creates a few glowing crystals.
    Waypoint Knife - sages, merchants, fairies, and other beings immune to the Curse's transformative effects are unable to leave their homes. Escape is only temporary, and possible by consuming a large number of crystals in a complex ritual - which explains why they seek to barter for these at every opportunity.


    Heroic Triangle

    One of the artifacts linked to the Curse, the bearer of the Heroic Triangle gains conditional immunity to the effects of the Curse, and other valuable powers, so long as they behave properly. The standards of proper behavior are quite stringent, and involve never speaking a single word, seeking to rescue the kidnapped ruler, being nice to fairies, wearing green (underclothes included), and never moving diagonally.

    The one questing for the Triangle will find that, under the proper circumstances, they can change shape to become much smaller, take on different elemental aspects, create flames and illumination, and far more.

    1-dot Oneiromancy
    Assumption of the Person's Heart - the Heroic Triangle is an inner trait, which manifests physically only in suitable circumstances, such as at the end of a dungeon.
    Mouse Transformation - the owner of the Triangle can become extremely small at times.
    Ordinary Object Conjuration - the Triangle's owner, upon first fiding a suitable lamp, can always bring it to hand and it will never run out of fuel.
    Water Transformation - by playing a suitable tune on a suitable instrument, the Triangle's owner can pass through limited amounts of water in order to explore further.
    Ordinary Object Conjuration - upon kissing a fairie, the Triangle's owner is imbued with supernatural health, as if having drunk a glass of celestial wine.
    Other powers exist as well, depending on the version of the Triangle being employed.

    It is worth noting that the Triangle is not protected from counter-magic, so that its owner will often end up in situations where previously reliable powers suddenly fail to work.

    The precise ritual used to activate the Triangle is not known, but salacious rumors about very close interactions with fairies are common.


    Triangle of the Demon Pig

    Another aspect of the Curse, this Triangle conveys personnal power upon the Curse's owner, allowing them to perform terrifying and destructive deeds while their captive is securely held.

    First of all, the owner of this Triangle takes on the aspect of a giant boar, possibly on fire. Besides gaining considerable physical might, they gain insight into the workings of arcane matters, and can perform the most complex magical rituals without fail - so long as the carrier of the Heroic Triangle does not interfere. Incredible personnal charisma is often included in the package, though it fails when turned upon the captive ruler or holder of the Heroic Triangle. Finally, knowledge of a complex ritual is imbued upon its owner, one requiring all three Triangles, and the Curse, which promises even greater power... Thus far, this ritual has never been performed, but it seems likely to involve the sacrifice of the ruler in some way, and other despicable acts.

    2-dot Oneiromancy
    Assumption of the Person's Heart - the Triangle can only be drawn from its master when the Curse's conditions demand it
    Boar Transformation - power, optional flaming head, and so forth.
    Imposition of Law - the owner of this Triangle cannot fail when performing complex thaumaturgy and sorcery.
    Beguilement - the Triangle's owner is impossibly convincing, and can often talk the ruler into being kidnapped. This supernatural charisma fails against specific beings, however - including the ruler once the kidnapping has taken place.


    Mysterious Triangle

    In order to break the Curse, a third Triangle is required. Its specific powers, aspect, and requirements are not currently known. Still, it has manifested every time the Curse was invoked so far... or perhaps that is why the Curse has never been truly unmade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganurath View Post
    I mean the sort of pride that wouldn't result in a premature end to one's attendance of a Deliberative debate.
    Not particularly mechanics-savvy here, so take this with a grain of salt: what about replacing the physical combat of Berserk Anger with social combat? Require the Solar to engage in social combat until everyone nearby is devoid of willpower or the like.
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    How to remove a First Age Solar Exaltation from the world.

    1) Give him a limit break that makes him argue with anyone he can communicate with until they agree with him.

    2) Give him access to the First Age Magic Internet.

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    IAs far as I know, none of the bits of Grace Magic I've made are not allowed by the rules
    None of your stuff using Principle of Worlds is legal, but that's the only thing I've ever spotted.

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    Also, nearing the end of Asura's Wrath. It's so Exalted it hurts me a little.
    Would you actually recommend Asura's Wrath? I have some spare money now (actually having a job is fun) and I've been thinking about picking up a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meschlum
    Yes, the whole 'create copies of Luna' thing has moderate shenanigans. It's also based on one of the (few) Charms that have gone through errata without modification, so one could interpret that as allowing... flexible... readings. There are ways to get around it, but they call for stronger shenanigans, even if they are closer to being by the book.
    No. I pointed out why copies of Luna don't work. I never get answer, so once more: There is no fexible reading here, you just assumed that "can be repaired as 3 dot artifact in creation" is equal "it is 3 dot artifact". It is not shenanigans is plain misreading of rules.
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    Originally, Limit tracks were a defense against soul-crushing attacks that just flat-out destroyed you. Because of their nature, there were no perfect defenses against attacks that directly affected your Limit track (and still aren't - no Charm prevents you from gaining Limit to my knowledge). So when the Neverborn unleashed an absurdly powerful attack that nestled inside everyone's Limit, there wasn't a Charm that could stop it.

    And since the Neverborn attack altered the Limit of the people it infected, it can't be used again on them.
    So...we have only one "weak point" of Exaltation and no-one care to maintain it or at least check periodically? How on earth Great Maker missed it after War? And why Solars can't notice that before killing primordial they behave diffrent when faced with soul-crushing attacks? Becuase it is quite too obvious...
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    1. Autochthon (and Lytek I believe) are aware of the Great Curse, they just never told anyone of it. Autochthon couldn't do anything about it.

    2. People change during war. And the effects of the great curse don't settle in immediately, the first limit break likely took awhile after the first primordial death and associations were never made (a number of the limit breaks would likely not even have actualy changed what the exalt was doing when they happened).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    Would you actually recommend Asura's Wrath? I have some spare money now (actually having a job is fun) and I've been thinking about picking up a game.
    The trouble is that Asura's Wrath is barely a 'game' at all. And, I would say, a pretty mediocre one at that. It's a really good animated series that is occasionally interrupted by a quicktime event or five minutes of half-assed beat-'em-up sequences.

    I make no exaggeration when I say that if they just cut out the little gameplay that is there, and sold it as an anime, I would buy it as a boxed set in a heartbeat. (It's already broken up into episodes, and it even has the little interlude cut-away things that some anime does for commercials, despite it being a video game with no commercials...)

    But, as a game? No. Watch it on youtube. This playlist looks like a good one.

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