General Exalted Discussion Thread IX: Errata is Combo-Ok!

[Madwand]

Basically, the Dragon-Born probably wouldn't take over because Autocthon would probably modify them in some way so they couldn't and because of cultural values.

There is beuty of exalted: they were made for rebellion.

[Xefas]

Basically, the Dragon-Born

But, there is one they fear. In their tongue, he is 01100100011100100110000101100111011011110110111001 100010011011110111001001101110.

...Dragonborn.

fus roh AS IN THE BEGINNING

This is the story of one Claslat nutrient factory manager with the tiniest Terrestrial heritage from the time before Autochthonia. When he leaps into the path of a rampaging productivity rat to save one of his foremen, that sacred blood ignites and he discovers that he can yell fire out of his own face.

Now he is alone. A glitch in the system. A being nearly unheard of in his world. What path shall he now take? Will he seek out tales of the Neckbeards, a lost circle of elder Terrestrials said to perch on the highest peak of the highest alternator in Autochthonia, accidentally taken when the Maker fled Creation, who legends tell are capable of yelling far more exotic things out of their face than fire, and can lead the Dragonborn to become the savior of his world? Or will he spend 200 hours screwing around and murdering random townsfolk before getting around to the first plot hook?

Given that he is one of Creation's Exalted, the latter is far more likely...

[Edge]

But, there is one they fear. In their tongue, he is 01100100011100100110000101100111011011110110111001 100010011011110111001001101110.

...Dragonborn.

fus roh AS IN THE BEGINNING

This is the story of one Claslat nutrient factory manager with the tiniest Terrestrial heritage from the time before Autochthonia. When he leaps into the path of a rampaging productivity rat to save one of his foremen, that sacred blood ignites and he discovers that he can yell fire out of his own face.

Now he is alone. A glitch in the system. A being nearly unheard of in his world. What path shall he now take? Will he seek out tales of the Neckbeards, a lost circle of elder Terrestrials said to perch on the highest peak of the highest alternator in Autochthonia, accidentally taken when the Maker fled Creation, who legends tell are capable of yelling far more exotic things out of their face than fire, and can lead the Dragonborn to become the savior of his world? Or will he spend 200 hours screwing around and murdering random townsfolk before getting around to the first plot hook?

Given that he is one of Creation's Exalted, the latter is far more likely...

Yes. Yes just yes.

In semi-related news, I have been thinking about how the Dovah might translate into Exalted. Unusually powerful First Circle Souls of He Who Bleeds the Unknown Word, perhaps, given their draconic and linguistic nature?

[Lix Lorn]

So, how do you guys think dragonbloods would get on in Autochthonia? I don't mean dynasts moving in to conquer/emigrate, I mean if Autokun had accidentally swept up a couple terrestrials and they had established a population. What would their role in society be (pariahs, citizens, or leaders)? Do you think they might adapt to autochthonian elements (Air->Steam, Earth->Metal, Fire->Lightning, Water->Oil, Wood->Crystal would be my guess)?

Note this is not for the game I'm running.

Autochthonia has six elements. This is all too unsymmetrical golly ;_;

Dragon-Blooded don't adapt, so they would still use Creation's elements. They'd probably be on top of society, because the Alchemical Exalted are only able to be forced to their position in society by constantly needing refitting while unconcious and vulnerable. If Alchemicals didn't need mortals to keep them maintained, Alchemicals would probably be running the place. Dragon-Blooded don't need mortals like Alchemicals do, nor do they turn into cities, so they would be free to use their Charms to dominate Autochthonian society.

...I cannot imagine the DBs doing so without them being excised utterly from the population.

I don't know that dragonblood don't adapt. I've read a couple references to tainted bloodlines as a result of demon experimentation producing dragonblooded with a curious affinity for vitriol and some demonic traits, and then there are the Dragons of a Different Color use the Underworld Elements. I think that exposed to autochthonian essence and possibly getting genetic infusions from autochthonian elementals over enough generations might result in some mechanical dragons.

The rest meshes well with one of the scenarios I was thinking of.

I think Dragons of a Different Color use normal elements, but adopt some thematics of the underworld ones.

That said, when I finally get back to my DB Project, underworld and autochthonian dragonbloods will be entirely playable.

But, there is one they fear. In their tongue, he is 01100100011100100110000101100111011011110110111001 100010011011110111001001101110.

...Dragonborn.

fus roh AS IN THE BEGINNING

This is the story of one Claslat nutrient factory manager with the tiniest Terrestrial heritage from the time before Autochthonia. When he leaps into the path of a rampaging productivity rat to save one of his foremen, that sacred blood ignites and he discovers that he can yell fire out of his own face.

Now he is alone. A glitch in the system. A being nearly unheard of in his world. What path shall he now take? Will he seek out tales of the Neckbeards, a lost circle of elder Terrestrials said to perch on the highest peak of the highest alternator in Autochthonia, accidentally taken when the Maker fled Creation, who legends tell are capable of yelling far more exotic things out of their face than fire, and can lead the Dragonborn to become the savior of his world? Or will he spend 200 hours screwing around and murdering random townsfolk before getting around to the first plot hook?

Given that he is one of Creation's Exalted, the latter is far more likely...

Xefas why do you keep making me love you

[tonberrian]

Putting 25 abilities across 6 elements is easy!

Just make Craft in-aspect for all of them!

[Lix Lorn]

Putting 25 abilities across 6 elements is easy!

Just make Craft in-aspect for all of them!

I did that when I first made the document, silly kismesis of mine.

[horngeek]

...normally, I correct typos when they're pointed out, but that was funny enough to leave in.

[Kyeudo]

...I cannot imagine the DBs doing so without them being excised utterly from the population.

I have been assuming that we are talking about Dragon-Blooded present from the very begining of Autochthonia's inhabitation. Dragon-Blooded have never been subservient to mortals, Alchemicals have not ever been present before so they aren't used to servivng them, and mortals of the time has spent the whole Primordial War with Dragon-Blooded as their protectors and goveners. Just thinking that Dragon-Blooded belong on the bottom of society would be hard, let alone enforcing that opinion when your continued survival depends on the Essence-fueled powers of the Dragon-Blooded.

The idea that Alchemicals should not rule took how many centuries to become codified in Autochthonian law?

[Turalisj]

I think she's referring to Autocthon's white blood cells purging the Dragon-blooded like they were a bad case of the flu.

[Kyeudo]

Autochthon's autonomous defenses couldn't kill the Dragon-Blooded population without killing the mortal population.

[Turalisj]

Can you elaborate on that point?

[Lix Lorn]

I have been assuming that we are talking about Dragon-Blooded present from the very begining of Autochthonia's inhabitation. Dragon-Blooded have never been subservient to mortals, Alchemicals have not ever been present before so they aren't used to servivng them, and mortals of the time has spent the whole Primordial War with Dragon-Blooded as their protectors and goveners. Just thinking that Dragon-Blooded belong on the bottom of society would be hard, let alone enforcing that opinion when your continued survival depends on the Essence-fueled powers of the Dragon-Blooded.

The idea that Alchemicals should not rule took how many centuries to become codified in Autochthonian law?

Oh, good point. I was thinking more if they emerged later and tried to be loud, or snuck on.

[Kyeudo]

Can you elaborate on that point?

Autochthon has three classes of entity on hand that he could use to go kill something inside himself: Exmachina, Elementals, and Biomechanoids. A Dragon-Blooded alone can stand up to any single low-Essence Elemental or Spirit himself, if not be able to kill it, and a circle of them are much more dangerous, so any attempt to kill ALL of the Dragon-Blooded would necessarily require a swarming mass of spirits. If the Dragon-Blooded have even a century before this starts, the number of spirits required to put down the Dragon-Blooded gets even bigger.

Now, we are assuming that Dragon-Blooded are at the top of the power chart, here in our early Autochthonian model. Guess who gets to serve as soldiers beside the Dragon-Blooded? Guess who is going to fight to defend their homes against an army of death? The mortal population is going to sustain huge losses just to root out those Dragon-Blooded, possibly to the point of non-sustainability.

Then there are the psychological ramifications of such an attack, even if the mortals were spared. Who is going to trust in the Great Maker anymore when he casually commits genocide upon his inhabitants?

[horngeek]

Not to mention the fact that the stealing of Dragon-Blooded would likely have provoked the Deliberative to be a bit more... aggressive... in attempts to breach the Seal.

Not as much as if a Solar had been taken, but still.

[Draken]

Not to mention the fact that the stealing of Dragon-Blooded would likely have provoked the Deliberative to be a bit more... aggressive... in attempts to breach the Seal.

Not as much as if a Solar had been taken, but still.

They would probably not really have noticed some missing dragonbloods (heck, they were so many) and Autochthon went away specifically because he (and many of the followers he took) didn't want to stick around Solars anymore, so that last bit was a no-brainer.

[Turalisj]

Not to mention the fact that the stealing of Dragon-Blooded would likely have provoked the Deliberative to be a bit more... aggressive... in attempts to breach the Seal.

Not as much as if a Solar had been taken, but still.

Except... Nothing can break the Seal, not from outside of Autocthonia. That was the POINT of the Seal.

[TheCountAlucard]

Except... Nothing can break the Seal, not from outside of Autocthonia. That was the POINT of the Seal.

Black Faith, pop up in Autocthonia, open the seal, pop back out.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Black Faith, pop up in Autocthonia, open the seal, pop back out.

Annnnnnnnnnnd how many First Age Solars could cast Black Faith?

[horngeek]

Except... Nothing can break the Seal, not from outside of Autocthonia. That was the POINT of the Seal.

Pffft. Impossibility is nothing to the Solar Exalted!

Except, of course, resurrection and time travel.

BUT APART FROM THAT!

[Turalisj]

Pffft. Impossibility is nothing to the Solar Exalted!

Except, of course, resurrection and time travel.

BUT APART FROM THAT!

And convincing about half the fanbase that Solars aren't OMGHAXXORZ

[DeadManSleeping]

Autochthon's autonomous

Autochthonomous.

That is all.

[Guancyto]

Not as much as if a Solar had been taken, but still.

Estasia was a Tiger-Warrior-turned-Solar-Queen, who became Luminous Exarch the Twice-Exalted, who became Lux the capital of Estasia.

This may or may not have something to do with why he's a jerk.

(Also, they tried like crazy. Primordial world-body filled with goodies? GIMME)

[golentan]

Annnnnnnnnnnd how many First Age Solars could cast Black Faith?

Well, going by Voice of the Magnus there's a strong implication that fairly early in the first age Brigid was recreated as a deathlord. So Void Circle would be on the table by someone who USED to be a solar. And I can totally see a deathlord getting sic'd on autobot. The revenge potential would appeal, and a deathlord in Autochthonia might explain some of his problems...

[Draken]

Estasia was a Tiger-Warrior-turned-Solar-Queen, who became Luminous Exarch the Twice-Exalted, who became Lux the capital of Estasia.

This may or may not have something to do with why he's a jerk.

(Also, they tried like crazy. Primordial world-body filled with goodies? GIMME)

Estasia had been exalted on a previous life, I believe. But was just mortal when she followed Autochthon into exile.

[TheCountAlucard]

Annnnnnnnnnnd how many First Age Solars could cast Black Faith?

None on the record. Still doable.

1) Initiate into Iron Circle Necromancy.
2) Initiate into Onyx Circle Necromancy.
3) Find the Cenotaph of Urosh-Kar, and meditate upon it.
4) Black Faith.

Alternatively...

1) Get meschlum to make a Style 5, Essence 10 Fair Folk.
2) Have the Fair Folk do a Wyld Stunt that equates to Black Faith.

Either way, whoever's inside then proceeds to do his damnedest to open the seal.

[Guancyto]

Estasia had been exalted on a previous life, I believe. But was just mortal when she followed Autochthon into exile.

Ah, that's right. I had gotten her lives mixed up a little.

Still, though, they tried like Autocthon was a giant piñata full of loot, which of course is exactly what he is.

[Mr.Bookworm]

None on the record. Still doable.

Completely doable. By ST fiat.

Not that it wouldn't make a good plot hook for an Autochtonian game, but there's not really any way you could possibly do it without it coming down to PLOT.

And this is all besides the point (note: point may have just been arbitrarily decided on by me). Black Faith is up there with BoSS for "bull**** broken Necromancy".

1) Get meschlum to make a Style 5, Essence 10 Fair Folk.
2) Have the Fair Folk do a Wyld Stunt that equates to Black Faith.

That's really not how Wyld Stunting works.

[TheCountAlucard]

That's really not how Wyld Stunting works.

It points out that a Wyld Stunt can mimic the effects of a sorcery spell, assuming you have the prerequisite Heart and Essence.

[Mr.Bookworm]

It points out that a Wyld Stunt can mimic the effects of a sorcery spell, assuming you have the prerequisite Heart and Essence.

Yes, Wyld Stunts can emulate sorcery, but that's not how Wyld Stunting works in the first place. It's exactly like a regular stunt, only you can enhance it to make magic happen (this is, obviously, way easier in the Wyld, where all sorts of improbable locales abound). In Creation, you could burst through a window, sending a cloud of glass through the room, emulating Death of Obsidian Butterflies. You could kick open a door so hard it bursts open every other door of a building, emulating Violent Opening of Closed Portals. You could form a human pyramid and go into battle, emulating Unity of the Closed Fist.

You can't, however, just magic up whatever you want using them. There needs to be some sort of rational.

[Turalisj]

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