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    I can be more specific if you like.

    So you have the perfect play tester, it sounds like.
    Yeah, if there's an exploit, he'll find it.

    In my last game attempt, I had magic beasts actually caused by a form of magical mutation. The group found a Nightmare, and I tried to scientifically explain how the fire worked. I said that Nightmare hair is very flammable, but also grows back and a surprising rate, especially that around the hooves, tail, and mane. They have the ability to make themselves grow hotter until the volatile hair combusts. After the group subdued it, he immediately started cutting off hair and stuffing it in cloth sacks, then tying them up. I asked what he wanted to do that for, and he said he'd think of something. Later, the group was escaping from a group of raiders over a wooden bridge. He used them like molotovs. ... Speechless.

    Later, he was trying to invent steam power. He wanted to mount a steam engine on the now-tamed Nightmare. Then he wanted to build a steam-powered machinegun (Mythbusters style) and attach THAT to it. I'm glad we switched to GURPS before that happened.
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    Yeah, if there's an exploit, he'll find it.

    In my last game attempt, I had magic beasts actually caused by a form of magical mutation. The group found a Nightmare, and I tried to scientifically explain how the fire worked. I said that Nightmare hair is very flammable, but also grows back and a surprising rate, especially that around the hooves, tail, and mane. They have the ability to make themselves grow hotter until the volatile hair combusts. After the group subdued it, he immediately started cutting off hair and stuffing it in cloth sacks, then tying them up. I asked what he wanted to do that for, and he said he'd think of something. Later, the group was escaping from a group of raiders over a wooden bridge. He used them like molotovs. ... Speechless.

    Later, he was trying to invent steam power. He wanted to mount a steam engine on the now-tamed Nightmare. Then he wanted to build a steam-powered machinegun (Mythbusters style) and attach THAT to it. I'm glad we switched to GURPS before that happened.
    At least Mythbusters proved it was near-deadly (to its operators) with modern timing devices.
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    Depending on when it would be, I would like to be included in the playtest; since one of my pastimes is considering metaphysics...

    This game sounds right up my ally, and actually makes me wish I still had the notes for the game I was designing...

    However, if you want any help with maths or creating tables or whatever, I will gladly help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Depending on when it would be, I would like to be included in the playtest; since one of my pastimes is considering metaphysics...

    This game sounds right up my ally, and actually makes me wish I still had the notes for the game I was designing...

    However, if you want any help with maths or creating tables or whatever, I will gladly help.
    I had barely considered that I could get playtesters from the forums... Hmmmmmmm.

    Alright, this is probably going to happen at some point.

    Because of Progressive Start, nobody needs to worry about making a character beforehand, too!

    Depending on how IRL stuff goes, as well as my own creative spurts, I may have something truly testable done in around 3 weeks. That ought to give me time to fill in the required rules about the multitude of things that'll come up.


    Did a lot more work today. I finished re-writing gravity. It's.. weird. But cool, and can be used for all sorts of odd landscapes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welknair View Post
    I had barely considered that I could get playtesters from the forums... Hmmmmmmm.

    Alright, this is probably going to happen at some point.

    Because of Progressive Start, nobody needs to worry about making a character beforehand, too!

    Depending on how IRL stuff goes, as well as my own creative spurts, I may have something truly testable done in around 3 weeks. That ought to give me time to fill in the required rules about the multitude of things that'll come up.


    Did a lot more work today. I finished re-writing gravity. It's.. weird. But cool, and can be used for all sorts of odd landscapes.
    Barely considered!

    Please, count me in.

    However I think we(I) might need an asprin fund if you rewrite the laws of thermodynamics.

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    Barely considered!
    I know! Given how bright I am, you'd think I would have thought of it sooner!

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    Of course!

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    However I think we(I) might need an asprin fund if you rewrite the laws of thermodynamics.
    Guess what I was working on today!
    It's really simple stuff, at this point though.


    So.. With a hypothetical playtest with forum-peeps..

    Samburke, Amechra, Elfstone.. I'm 80% sure that Radmelon and Jojolagger would be game, if I invited them. 5 people, perfect!
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    I would love to do this. I'm a big fan of your works, and was actually going to ask if I could join yesterday, but got sidetracked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welknair View Post
    Samburke, Amechra, Elfstone.. I'm 80% sure that Radmelon and Jojolagger would be game, if I invited them. 5 people, perfect!
    Only 80%? Intentionally guessing low?
    Honestly, unless I'm either dead, without net access, or bogged down with a todo list so large I had no leisure time, I'm game for testing anything by Welknair.
    Also, I usually hold back on crazy ideas without something solid to go on, But from what I've heard, I'm likely to make a mad sciency type.
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    I'm likely to make a mad sciency type.
    Ah, so art imitates life?
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    Guess what I was working on today!
    It's really simple stuff, at this point though.
    I'm gonna need more headsplosion GIFs, methinks.

    Let me dig.
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    I would love to do this. I'm a big fan of your works, and was actually going to ask if I could join yesterday, but got sidetracked.
    Woo! Glad you're interested!

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    Only 80%? Intentionally guessing low?
    Honestly, unless I'm either dead, without net access, or bogged down with a todo list so large I had no leisure time, I'm game for testing anything by Welknair.
    Also, I usually hold back on crazy ideas without something solid to go on, But from what I've heard, I'm likely to make a mad sciency type.
    Better guess too low than too high.

    And awww

    If you're mad-sciency, this game will be your playground. I finished writing how gravity works today. Fun stuff.

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    I'm gonna need more headsplosion GIFs, methinks.

    Let me dig.
    Originally this game was going to be "Fourthland: A Game of Abstraction", but now I'm considering "Fourthland: The Game of Headsplosions". Because you will headsplode. A lot. So much that "Headsplode" will become a word.
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    There should be some sort of counter to judge how well a GM is doing: the more headsplosions, the better.

    Then make a GMing contest based off of who can blow the most minds.
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    Because you will headsplode. A lot. So much that "Headsplode" will become a word.
    Good Luck. I'm fairly sure I've Developed Immunity by now.
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    Count me in as well! I'd love to help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBurke View Post
    There should be some sort of counter to judge how well a GM is doing: the more headsplosions, the better.

    Then make a GMing contest based off of who can blow the most minds.
    Hmm... RoC would probably score pretty well there. Just try to explain Xenotheurgy.

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    Good Luck. I'm fairly sure I've Developed Immunity by now.
    Immunity, or just Resistance 50?


    I hope I'm not drastically over-hyping this game. It'd be a shame if we finally got around to the playtest and it didn't meet expectations. I am introducing a lot of weird concepts, and it doesn't resemble any other game I know of, but it IS still a game.

    So far, the most head-splodey bit might be the rules involving gravity and time that I wrote today. Yay altered time rates and situational gravity?

    Edit: I seem to have been Sneak'd!

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    Ah, a sixth! Guess how many basic first-tier class-y things there are? That worked out nicey! The system is relatively easy rule-wise, so it shouldn't be too bad with 6.
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    I hope I'm not drastically over-hyping this game. It'd be a shame if we finally got around to the playtest and it didn't meet expectations. I am introducing a lot of weird concepts, and it doesn't resemble any other game I know of, but it IS still a game.

    So far, the most head-splodey bit might be the rules involving gravity and time that I wrote today. Yay altered time rates and situational gravity?
    Despite the fact I've broken people's bones with the hardness of my head, it is easy to 'splode. Rewriting time makes me either squee or groan in pain.
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    Despite the fact I've broken people's bones with the hardness of my head, it is easy to 'splode. Rewriting time makes me either squee or groan in pain.
    Well I did my best to prevent true time travel - It only changes the rate at which one moves through time. You can slow, but not REVERSE someone's travel. No grandfather paradoxes.

    Well, not like you could do that anyways. What's a "Grandfather"?

    If you guys hadn't noticed, I'm dropping hints about the game.
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    What, you kept time? OMFG, that sounds so boring, I'm leaving!


    All joking aside, how do you deal with different concepts of logic and philosophy? Did you leave existence as a binary state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    What, you kept time? OMFG, that sounds so boring, I'm leaving!


    All joking aside, how do you deal with different concepts of logic and philosophy? Did you leave existence as a binary state?
    It's sad that I was actually worrying about not being weird enough. That's not something you experience regularly. Or at least I don't.

    Logic and philosophy are in many ways as in our world. I'm secretly trying to make some commentaries and bring up real-life issues in the context of the game, a la Star Trek. I do have a morality system of sorts.

    Buuut the nature of the world is a weird one. Things like "Free Will", "Morality" and "Personhood" do have slightly different meanings here, just by virtue of things working different, and them having some.. things we don't. And US having things THEY don't.

    And if I understand what you're asking, yes, existence is binary.

    Heh, binary. 1010101010. /incomprehensiblehint
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    I can't wait!

    Sounds like this will be a pretty deep game.....

    When do you test it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBurke View Post
    I can't wait!

    Sounds like this will be a pretty deep game.....

    When do you test it?
    I hope it'll be deep. I'm a little new to that type of thing, though, so there'll likely be a bit of a learning curve.

    I have a weekly GURPS game on the weekend, and as mentioned, there was a unanimous vote to start playing Fourthland while we wait for people to show. I'll be testing the multitude of new stuff this coming weekend, if all goes well.
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    Excellent. And it should be interesting to see what your mad-genius player comes up with once he gets used to the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TravelLog View Post
    Excellent. And it should be interesting to see what your mad-genius player comes up with once he gets used to the system.
    Well, since Gravity and Time are conveyed by manipulate-able matter.. I think he may be able to come up with some very bizarre things.

    "Well as long as we're in the bubble, we get three actions for every one they get out there. So I just need to move all of the 11th that we gathered into this stone, and throw it out over the group. I'll hold onto everyone's weapons in the meantime, keeping them safe with my weaker 11th stone. The one we chuck will have a larger radius, so it should be able to get the guard's weapons, but not affect our own. So, 5 rounds for one of theirs.. I should have the stones ready in 6. You guys can cover me 'till then, right?"

    Thinking he'll be something like Shaper/The Forge/Inventive or something like that. I haven't done too much about the Second and Third Tier shapes just yet.
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    Immunity, or just Resistance 50?
    95% resistance and fast healing. Between the people I know irl and Bhu, almost nothing affects me and what does wears off in under a minute.

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    Excellent. And it should be interesting to see what your mad-genius player comes up with once he gets used to the system.
    Well it appears both time and gravity manupulation are game.
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    Well I did my best to prevent true time travel - It only changes the rate at which one moves through time. You can slow, but not REVERSE someone's travel. No grandfather paradoxes.
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    95% resistance and fast healing. Between the people I know irl and Bhu, almost nothing affects me and what does wears off in under a minute.
    I haven't talked to Bhu much.. Is he that headsplosion-causing?

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    Well it appears both time and gravity manupulation are game.
    Indeed! And interestingly enough, anyone can manipulate them. It's just not easy.

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    So I can have bullets that travel at 1m/s relative to themselves, but 20C relative to normal?
    Yup! And you can protect yourself from other people's bullets by throwing up bubbles of slowed-time!


    I. Wow. I just realized something involving the time thing. Oooooooh. *Laughs evilly* I was trying to figure out why people wouldn't want to always be carrying around super-speed stones with them. Then I figured it out. Yeah, that'll do. That'll do.
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    Thinking he'll be something like Shaper/The Forge/Inventive or something like that. I haven't done too much about the Second and Third Tier shapes just yet.
    Aha! A hint about not-classes at last!
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    Aha! A hint about not-classes at last!
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    Edit: I seem to have been Sneak'd!
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    I haven't talked to Bhu much.. Is he that headsplosion-causing?
    Something similar to headsplosion. In the jesters realm, the current guildhouse owned by our party is a haunted brothel. In an out of character crazy duel the response to this was this. (do not watch the second video. it has a spot here.) And that is the day I finally became immune most mental dissonance.
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    Indeed! And interestingly enough, anyone can manipulate them. It's just not easy.
    "Which is easier, Transformation or illusion?" "For me, or in general?"
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    Yup! And you can protect yourself from other people's bullets by throwing up bubbles of slowed-time!
    I can do better than slowing down bullets. Wonderful, Multi-element magi-tech device abound.
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    I. Wow. I just realized something involving the time thing. Oooooooh. *Laughs evilly* I was trying to figure out why people wouldn't want to always be carrying around super-speed stones with them. Then I figured it out. Yeah, that'll do. That'll do.
    Because living at x5 speed means dying of old age 5x sooner. And needing to eat and drink 5x as much.
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    Something similar to headsplosion. In the jesters realm, the current guildhouse owned by our party is a haunted brothel. In an out of character crazy duel the response to this was this. (do not watch the second video. it has a spot here.) And that is the day I finally became immune most mental dissonance.
    Currently on my iPad, I'll check the videos when I'm at a comp.

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    I can do better than slowing down bullets. Wonderful, Multi-element magi-tech device abound.
    I haven't yet, but I will likely end up incorporating a magitech-esque technology system.

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    Because living at x5 speed means dying of old age 5x sooner. And needing to eat and drink 5x as much.
    What's "Death"? (But yeah, something along those lines)
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    Currently on my iPad, I'll check the videos when I'm at a comp.
    Note I said "Do not watch the second video."
    At least read the Bit on in on the High octane nightmare fuel page first. Then you won't be off guard.
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