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    One thing that still worries me about multiple BTs though is that you lose so many stats if you die. If you have 2 of them and die, you lose 80 AD and 20% lifesteal.
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    You didn't put the previous thread in the Turn Back Time section.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusion View Post
    One thing that still worries me about multiple BTs though is that you lose so many stats if you die. If you have 2 of them and die, you lose 80 AD and 20% lifesteal.
    At that point, you have every item built (and you get second BT last; before that you probably have Wriggles or something), and are probably floating gold. (Oh, I forgot to include Elixers; red increases your AD by like 16), so if you die, selling a BT for a LW costs like 150 gold. Additionally, you have Warmogs, Atmas, GA, two bloodthirsters; the only thing that can kill you is getting kited by an AD carry (and maybe Cass), and you can usually run from those.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    How do you deal with Poppy?
    Freeze the wave and call her mia, push and roam, or be someone who can win sustained trades against her (Tryndamere, Shyvana, maybe Irelia, maybe Riven, Renekton, Rumble, Lee Sin, Udyr). Poppy's two laning weaknesses are "can't farm outside of melee range", "can't push", and "has bad sustain". If you're a strong ganker or jungler, pushing her and going for more early advantage works; she gets farm, but can't do much else, while you can set up ganks or counterjungle. Tryndamere, Shyvana, Lee Sin, Udyr, Renekton, and Riven can do this pretty well.
    Freezing the wave is pretty simple in concept, work on setting it up correctly. Done best by champions who have a good zone of control, and obviously, can win trades. Hopefully without repushing the wave. Pretty much anyone can do this, though Shyvana has to watch her Burnout AOE, and Rumble has to be careful with Flamespitter. The plus side of having AOE of course, is that you can tank and thin waves before they hit tower. Teemo is REALLY GOOD at this.
    She wins sustained trades against most opponents due to Paragon, is ridiculously hard to kill, and is annoyingly capable as a roamer. However, she has no sustain apart from Philo, so manaless champions with health sustain can eventually force her out of lane, especially if they can get her to pop Paragon or Heroic Charge (Riven and Renekton are quite capable of this, since they can get in and out taking minimal damage). She's also weaker against magic damage, especially sustained magic damage (Singed, Swain, Shyvana, Teemo) since they cut through Paragon and her passive.
    Additionally, she has to commit to harass, and some champions are just better at 1v1 combat; you jump on Shyvana who has all her cooldowns up, she chunks half your health and chases you for another quarter with Burnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusion View Post
    One thing that still worries me about multiple BTs though is that you lose so many stats if you die. If you have 2 of them and die, you lose 80 AD and 20% lifesteal.
    Yeah, this is something I would normally think of as a win-more/taking advantage of poor teamcomps or teamplay option, not a core "I always want to do this unless something else is obviously more important" build. If you can reduce your fights to a series of duels or if the enemy lacks sufficient CC/burst to take you down, you just rip your health right out of their faces and everything is 'k. If you find yourself dying several times or suffering coordinated attacks, you'll probably be better off giving up one of the 'thirsters for more tankiness or a more consistent damage item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    How do you deal with Poppy?
    Play Kennen, Vlad, Rumble, Olaf, Teemo, or some other highly aggressive laner who doesn't rely on physical damage. Play super aggressive and ask for early help from your jungler. If you get a head in the early levels you should be able to deny her decent midgame and strong lategame that she so desperately wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbitrarity View Post
    She's also weaker against magic damage, especially sustained magic damage (Singed, Swain, Shyvana, Teemo) since they cut through Paragon and her passive.
    Yeah, anyone with ticking damage is mega vs Poppy. Actually most people with ticking damage are mega in general. Because Swaim makes things better by association.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogmantra View Post
    You didn't put the previous thread in the Turn Back Time section.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tyckspoon View Post
    Yeah, this is something I would normally think of as a win-more/taking advantage of poor teamcomps or teamplay option, not a core "I always want to do this unless something else is obviously more important" build. If you can reduce your fights to a series of duels or if the enemy lacks sufficient CC/burst to take you down, you just rip your health right out of their faces and everything is 'k. If you find yourself dying several times or suffering coordinated attacks, you'll probably be better off giving up one of the 'thirsters for more tankiness or a more consistent damage item.
    200 armor, 115-140 MR, 4k hp, 500 damage shield every 4-6 seconds, autoattacks for 200-300 damage each second, and lifesteals half of that. Enough burst to kill any AD carry or non tanky caster in about a second. That point in the game is late enough (40-50 minutes, if fed) that you could probably get Thornmail or something instead, but if you can get double BT, it'll work.
    Hell, that point in the game, GA is situational; If you lose the revive, might as well pick up something else for defense.
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    push and roam
    In my experience, overwhelmingly this. She has the same weaknesses as other poor laners, such as Nasus, But she has all of them and none of the redeeming qualities. Compared to, again, Nasus, she has less sustain, less minion pushing and less tower pushing, so harassing her low, pushing to the tower and running off to be annoying elsewhere ties up Poppy (can't leave because low HP, can't leave because minions at tower).

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    Fiora has dominated every game I've seen her in today. The only time she doesn't win is when the other team's Fiora is more fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeglin_Dubh View Post
    Fiora has dominated every game I've seen her in today. The only time she doesn't win is when the other team's Fiora is more fed.
    And myself, I have yet to see one do well at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeglin_Dubh View Post
    Fiora has dominated every game I've seen her in today. The only time she doesn't win is when the other team's Fiora is more fed.
    Quote Originally Posted by fred dref View Post
    And myself, I have yet to see one do well at all.
    So pretty much like every other champ release, then (seriously, I know if I cared I could find these same sentiments for, at a minimum, Ziggs and Volibear.) I'm surprised anybody really tries to determine if a champ is 'overpowered' during release week; information is skewed too much by first timers, people playing the champ who don't jibe with its playstyle, and other noise that prevents getting a serious assessment of a champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyckspoon View Post
    So pretty much like every other champ release, then (seriously, I know if I cared I could find these same sentiments for, at a minimum, Ziggs and Volibear.) I'm surprised anybody really tries to determine if a champ is 'overpowered' during release week; information is skewed too much by first timers, people playing the champ who don't jibe with its playstyle, and other noise that prevents getting a serious assessment of a champ.
    For what it's worth, looking at them I think her kit is pretty solid for what it is, but the major issue is basically whether her numbers (which are rather absurd on some counts for reals 120% attack speed what) and the untargetability from her ultimate are enough to keep her from being swallowed up by the poor fact that you need horrendously OP mechanics to make squishy melee carries viable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogmantra View Post
    For what it's worth, looking at them I think her kit is pretty solid for what it is, but the major issue is basically whether her numbers (which are rather absurd on some counts for reals 120% attack speed what) and the untargetability from her ultimate are enough to keep her from being swallowed up by the poor fact that you need horrendously OP mechanics to make squishy melee carries viable.
    When explaining why melee carries don't work, I like to point out that Trynd has a low cooldown dash which goes down when you attack, a CC that also reduces enemy damage, a heal that increases your damage, a passive crit chance bonus and to top it all off, and ult that makes him totally immune to death for a duration, and he's still on the low end of viable in organized play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogmantra View Post
    For what it's worth, looking at them I think her kit is pretty solid for what it is, but the major issue is basically whether her numbers (which are rather absurd on some counts for reals 120% attack speed what) and the untargetability from her ultimate are enough to keep her from being swallowed up by the poor fact that you need horrendously OP mechanics to make squishy melee carries viable.
    I sorta expect her to get toned down. Her W passively gives, what, 35 AD? Plus she's got the MASSIVE boost to AS on her E. Though truthfully I don't expect her to be very viable in high Elo games; she'll probably get CC'd and bursted down. But that doesn't change that she'll probably get nerfed anyhow.

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    I sorta expect her to get toned down. Her W passively gives, what, 35 AD? Plus she's got the MASSIVE boost to AS on her E.
    It's only 3 seconds. That's a very short time and easy to delay through with any kind of decent CC. If you don't have CC on hand and you let her rip through your team with the cooldown refresh.. well, the same thing happens with Yi and Kat; being capable of abusing a poor champ selection is not the same thing as needing to be nerfed.

    (Also, if you assume she's powerful based on using Riposte and Burst of Speed as often as possible.. she'll also be out of mana most of the time.)

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    I suspect she doesn't have the inherent "screw you" mechanics to compete with Yi and Trynd for melee carry (less damage and ignoring slows than Yi, less invulnerable than Trynd) and her ult isn't strong enough to make her an ultbot in the same realm as Katarina, so I think she's relegated to being similar to Riven, a melee damage dealer who has to build fairly tanky despite that. At least she has the inherent damage to get away with building some bulk.

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    And myself, I have yet to see one do well at all.
    I did /terribly/ for my first few games.

    But in the last one.... I did pretty awesome. Okay, so I duo queued with someone a few levels lower, but more importantly, I think I worked out why I suck as carries and early game stuff.
    I am /way too aggressive/. So this game, I sat in lane and farmed constantly. And by intending to do this, I ended up 4/1/something by end of laning.

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    You can use them often enough.
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    So apparently Fiora came out with a glitch, or I was ridiculously trolled. Whenever the Fiora on our team would ult she'd just sit there, doing no damage, gaining no life, being completely target-able but unable to move. It was hilarious if it didn't mean it got her killed twice and made her useless besides. Her and the 1/9 ashe meant we lost that game, hard.

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