LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is

[Lea Plath]

So as it already is?

Heh, or sumin like http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/...t=Leacloak.png or http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/...urrent=Lea.jpg

Minus the sword, of course :P I'm the scary spider lady, I don't need to be more threatening ::::3

[Triscuitable]

Heh, or sumin like http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/...t=Leacloak.png or http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/...urrent=Lea.jpg

Minus the sword, of course :P I'm the scary spider lady, I don't need to be more threatening ::::3

I actually like that pose, minus the sword high in the air. How I see it, it should be sheathed on the back of the waist, so the base of the sword can be seen, but not used. The hand that grips the sword is also grasping the staff, so there are two hands holding it. The right side of the torso remains unchanged.

The eyes may be difficult. Do you want me to do them all opaque, in a six-sided die manner?

[Lea Plath]

The eyes may be difficult. Do you want me to do them all opaque, in a six-sided die manner?

They are actually tattoos and if possible. But if you can't, just leave em out.

[Triscuitable]

They are actually tattoos and if possible. But if you can't, just leave em out.

My avatar is actually a downsized version of a much higher resolution (1000x1000) avatar. I was able to get in little details you might not even notice, like the swirls and waves on this robe. I hardly doubt it'll be impossible.

[Lea Plath]

OK, I only just saw them, that is really cool.

[Heliomance]

Hmm. I suspect my identity may be reversing again, heading back malewards. This inconsistency is REALLY BLOODY ANNOYING.

[H Birchgrove]

I didn't quite manage to follow all of that, but *hugs*. If there's one thing I've learned in the last couple of months, it's that a lot of the things people do to make themselves/others "tougher" just tend to damage them. :/ *More hugs*

Which reminds me of a certain bit of my childhood I've been remembering lately...

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My dad used to put me in wrestling holds to "toughen me up". Of course, he wasn't a wrestler - he was an Army engineer. So, he didn't quite know what he was doing, and he was pretty strong.

He never injured me or anything, but he typically pinned me face-down (that is to say, face-against-the-carpet), holding at least one of my limbs just a little further than he probably should've. Sometimes he told me to tap out, other times he wanted me to say "uncle".

Some of those times he wasn't paying attention, so I'd end up not being able to do the thing he told me and having to do the other thing instead. That didn't usually work. Then again, I usually ended up having to do the original thing more loudly anyway, so I guess that went about the same in any case. Eventually he started telling me not to do those things, but if I didn't he would just hold me there (often cutting off my circulation) until I did.

And then he wondered why I have personal space issues.

Sorry about that, I wasn't able to get any sleep after that flashback...

*hugs back*

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*le sigh* Parents.

o.o Where the hell is that tangent from and who did it?

I believe it's about the Scum Manifesto being turned into a play and schools sending out classes to see it.

What Astrella said.

I know... The whole sentiment just really scares me as well. I posted a reply myself (Lena) on the Pie is Scrumptious post; I could probably elaborate on it but the whole thing just really troubles me.

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Also, tons of hugs for Arachu.

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Edit: Remember that story about that 11 year old trans girl? Her mother apparently lost the case.

That's so saddening to read.

[Triscuitable]

OK, I only just saw them, that is really cool.

Thank you! I've started up a basic sketch of the final product. My original avatar was my first, and took about a week. I'm in highschool now, so work is more abundant, but I've begun a basic template. I'll try and have it ready soon.

Hmm. I suspect my identity may be reversing again, heading back malewards. This inconsistency is REALLY BLOODY ANNOYING.

Try and find what you have based your life on until now. I feel like a woman sometimes, but then I remember I have a Bioshock 2 poster on my wall, and a Marvel Superheroes portrait above my bed. Whatever feels dominant, or correct.

[Qaera]

Try and find what you have based your life on until now. I feel like a woman sometimes, but then I remember I have a Bioshock 2 poster on my wall, and a Marvel Superheroes portrait above my bed. Whatever feels dominant, or correct.

Women aren't allowed to like video games or comic books? Ooooooook.

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[Astrella]

Try and find what you have based your life on until now. I feel like a woman sometimes, but then I remember I have a Bioshock 2 poster on my wall, and a Marvel Superheroes portrait above my bed. Whatever feels dominant, or correct.

I'm not really following here.

[LaZodiac]

Just a guess, but there are some...alluring Marvel female super heroes that are quite powerful, and the main focus of Bioshock 2 is an adorable and, again, somewhat sexy powerful women.

So I think that's what he's getting at.

[Qaera]

Just a guess, but there are some...alluring Marvel female super heroes that are quite powerful, and the main focus of Bioshock 2 is an adorable and, again, somewhat sexy powerful women.

So I think that's what he's getting at.

Even if it was that... Lesbians?

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[Lea Plath]

They are seen as typically more "male" past times.

[pffh]

Women aren't allowed to like video games or comic books? Ooooooook.

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I'm not really following here.

Well it looks like you little ladies need a man to explain things for you. Just sit your pretty little behinds on that sofa over there and let the man do the thinking.

You see back in 1278 it was decided that video games, comic books and all fantasy and sci fi are the property of men and only men. The end.

Now go get me my pipe and whiskey.

[Qaera]

Well it looks like you little ladies need a man to explain things for you. Just sit your pretty little behinds on that sofa over there and let the man do the thinking.

You see back in 1278 it was decided that video games, comic books and all fantasy and sci fi are the property of men and only men. The end.

Now go get me my pipe and whiskey.

Y-yes, sir. Dinner will be finished in about 20 minutes.

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[Lea Plath]

Y-yes, sir. Dinner will be finished in about 20 minutes.

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*Gigglefits*

I'm tempted to sig quote that if it didn't need context :P

[Qaera]

*Gigglefits*

I'm tempted to sig quote that if it didn't need context :P

Context is for the week! And it's the weekend!

~ ♅

[Mono Vertigo]

They are seen as typically more "male" past times.

Most of my pastimes are absolutely not stereotypically girly in nature (they include action video games!).
And I'm a ciswoman.
And not lesbian, for those who think ciswoman are only allowed to have masculine hobbies if they're lesbian.

[Triscuitable]

Just a guess, but there are some...alluring Marvel female super heroes that are quite powerful, and the main focus of Bioshock 2 is an adorable and, again, somewhat sexy powerful women.

So I think that's what he's getting at.

Uh, no. It's that comic books are generally seen as a property focused towards a specific gender. Not always male, but there are different publishers for different interests. For example, Marvel is about very action-filled, violent comics intended for the male audience. Not to say that women aren't in that demographic.

Same goes for Bioshock 2. And the allure of the game is actually a father-daughter relationship, between Subject Delta and Eleanor, not "sexy powerful women".

[LaZodiac]

Uh, no. It's that comic books are generally seen as a property focused towards a specific gender. Not always male, but there are different publishers for different interests. For example, Marvel is about very action-filled, violent comics intended for the male audience. Not to say that women aren't in that demographic.

Same goes for Bioshock 2. And the allure of the game is actually a father-daughter relationship, between Subject Delta and Eleanor, not "sexy powerful women".

Sorry about that, I was completely mistaken. Sorry

[pffh]

Y-yes, sir. Dinner will be finished in about 20 minutes.

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I should be sexist more often.

Women know your place. It's right next to men.

Hmm that didn't quite work, let me try again.

Women know your limits. They are the same as a man's.

[Triscuitable]

Sorry about that, I was completely mistaken. Sorry

It's all right, I've made bigger blunders here.

[KenderWizard]

My mum made a foam helmet for my oldest brother. It worked really well.

That's really cute!

Parents are some of the most fallible people ever, along with teachers. Well intentioned as they may be, they still can mess people up.

I don't think parents and teachers are more fallible - they just have more responsibilities, so when they make terrible decisions, it's way more obvious!

Hmm. I suspect my identity may be reversing again, heading back malewards. This inconsistency is REALLY BLOODY ANNOYING.

*hugs* I'm sorry you're not feeling good about it. It must be very frustrating if it keeps changing when you want it to stay still. Do you think meditation would help, to keep you focused? Not like, focusing on one gender to stay still, just to keep you grounded in yourself as your gender moves around where it will.

Try and find what you have based your life on until now. I feel like a woman sometimes, but then I remember I have a Bioshock 2 poster on my wall, and a Marvel Superheroes portrait above my bed. Whatever feels dominant, or correct.

Uh, no. It's that comic books are generally seen as a property focused towards a specific gender. Not always male, but there are different publishers for different interests. For example, Marvel is about very action-filled, violent comics intended for the male audience. Not to say that women aren't in that demographic.

Same goes for Bioshock 2. And the allure of the game is actually a father-daughter relationship, between Subject Delta and Eleanor, not "sexy powerful women".

I'm sorry if I'm not "getting" something here, but it really seems like you're being fairly sexist, and your explanation didn't clear things up. As far as I can tell, you're recommending Helio to check around her (him, now?) for things that give cultural gender cues. So if he sees "boy" comic books, to guess he's more male and if she sees "girl" comic books, she's more female. But that doesn't make sense. Maybe if you didn't know 100 people's genders, you could try to guess them statistically based on cultural cues, since many people will adhere to their society's gender assumptions, but for one person, it just doesn't work. Helio (or anyone else) could easily have a female gender identity and culturally masculine interests.

However, MUCH more importantly:

Well it looks like you little ladies need a man to explain things for you. Just sit your pretty little behinds on that sofa over there and let the man do the thinking.

You see back in 1278 it was decided that video games, comic books and all fantasy and sci fi are the property of men and only men. The end.

Now go get me my pipe and whiskey.

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE WHISKEY FOR THE MEN!! WHISKEY IS MINE!!

[Lea Plath]

Sig quoted FOR THE FUTURE!

And yeah, KenderWizard, teachers are actually kinda gittish :P I spent a week in a primary school, fair amount of gossiping about teachers they didn't like behind their back :P

[pffh]

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE WHISKEY FOR THE MEN!! WHISKEY IS MINE!!

Well I guess you can have some too. It's rare enough these days that I meet someone that can appreciate a good whiskey and not this horrible whiskey and soda or the even worse whiskey in an energy drink.

[Lea Plath]

Well I guess you can have some too. It's rare enough these days that I meet someone that can appreciate a good whiskey and not this horrible whiskey and soda or the even worse whiskey in an energy drink.

Jaegerbombs contain no whiskey :P

Best way to enjoy whiskey is sailing around the Skye type area on a Whiskey tour :P

[Triscuitable]

I'm sorry if I'm not "getting" something here, but it really seems like you're being fairly sexist, and your explanation didn't clear things up. As far as I can tell, you're recommending Helio to check around her (him, now?) for things that give cultural gender cues. So if he sees "boy" comic books, to guess he's more male and if she sees "girl" comic books, she's more female. But that doesn't make sense. Maybe if you didn't know 100 people's genders, you could try to guess them statistically based on cultural cues, since many people will adhere to their society's gender assumptions, but for one person, it just doesn't work. Helio (or anyone else) could easily have a female gender identity and culturally masculine interests.

That's up to Heliomance, but for me, I see how my life has been directed, and what's come out of it. It's not necessarily a stereotype if I associate comic books with that, because I view them differently as a man than I do a woman. Same goes for games, which I could have likely picked a better game to explain than Bioshock 2. A little under half of the gamer "population" is female, so it's kind of a lost cause.

What I tried to say (and clearly didn't) is to look at how you were raised, what your interests were, how your paternal and maternal figures raised you, and sleep on that. It's not going to dictate your gender at all, but it should give you some direction.

I for one just chose the "screw it" option, and answer to either pronoun. I don't identify as either gender, and both as well.

[golentan]

Well I guess you can have some too. It's rare enough these days that I meet someone that can appreciate a good whiskey and not this horrible whiskey and soda or the even worse whiskey in an energy drink.

Whiskey was invented so people would more greatly appreciate the gastric horror that is beer. True story.

I don't like most alcoholic things...

[pffh]

Jaegerbombs contain no whiskey :P

Best way to enjoy whiskey is sailing around the Skye type area on a Whiskey tour :P

I'm actually going on a distillery tour around, I think it was, Aberdeen this fall. It's going to be awesome.

[Heliomance]

Thank you! I've started up a basic sketch of the final product. My original avatar was my first, and took about a week. I'm in highschool now, so work is more abundant, but I've begun a basic template. I'll try and have it ready soon.



Try and find what you have based your life on until now. I feel like a woman sometimes, but then I remember I have a Bioshock 2 poster on my wall, and a Marvel Superheroes portrait above my bed. Whatever feels dominant, or correct.

Uh, no. It's that comic books are generally seen as a property focused towards a specific gender. Not always male, but there are different publishers for different interests. For example, Marvel is about very action-filled, violent comics intended for the male audience. Not to say that women aren't in that demographic.

Same goes for Bioshock 2. And the allure of the game is actually a father-daughter relationship, between Subject Delta and Eleanor, not "sexy powerful women".

That's up to Heliomance, but for me, I see how my life has been directed, and what's come out of it. It's not necessarily a stereotype if I associate comic books with that, because I view them differently as a man than I do a woman. Same goes for games, which I could have likely picked a better game to explain than Bioshock 2. A little under half of the gamer "population" is female, so it's kind of a lost cause.

What I tried to say (and clearly didn't) is to look at how you were raised, what your interests were, how your paternal and maternal figures raised you, and sleep on that. It's not going to dictate your gender at all, but it should give you some direction.

I for one just chose the "screw it" option, and answer to either pronoun. I don't identify as either gender, and both as well.

I was raised well and lovingly, in a supportive and safe household. I enjoyed make believe, reading, and (when I got older and they started being a thing) computer games and the Internet. I'm really not seeing how any of that can possibly say anything about my gender.

I've already worked out that I'm genderfluid. I don't like this fact. I would be completely fine with any gender identity, if it would only stay still. What it's just done is dive fairly deep into female, and then just as I was starting to get comfortable with a female identity, changing my chosen name, wearing skirts and breast forms etc, it's taken a sudden swing back towards male, and the accompanying thoughts of "stop being stupid, this is who you are, you can't change it."

I had a really annoying feeling today when I didn't know what name to use for myself. I didn't know whether to use the new name that I'd chosen, which I had chosen to be gender neutral, or to stick with my old name because that's who I "really" am, and I'm stupid to be trying to change that.

And now I'm thinking about it, and realising that from this end, "Nay" doesn't sound like it could work as a guy's name and it's not as gender neutral as I thought and I maybe made a mistake in changing it and I've already got some people to start calling me that can I really change my mind without looking stupid and GAH WHY IS LIFE SO COMPLICATED?