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    Both orgasms?)
    This group of people who define it in such a way keeps getting brought up almost every time the question comes up, but no one ever seems to own up to defining it that way when it does get discussed... It makes me wonder, has anyone here actually encountered someone who subscribes to that belief?
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    Doesn't that also sorta spread the belief that sex is only worthwhile if orgasms are involved?

    But then again, you could fill a library with the troublesome attitudes society has about sex.
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    Doesn't that also sorta spread the belief that sex is only worthwhile if orgasms are involved?
    Defining it in such a way, my question itself being asked, or something else in Kender's post?

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    But then again, you could fill a library with the troublesome attitudes society has about sex.
    Like, say lying to minors about it, lying to adults about it, or just plain lying to lie about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Defining it in such a way, my question itself being asked, or something else in Kender's post?
    Oh, just making a side-thought because Kender mentioned it. (two orgasm; not saying that she adheres to that belief.)

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    Like, say lying to minors about it, lying to adults about it, or just plain lying to lie about it.
    Very much yes.
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    Default Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is

    Hmmmm.

    While I didn't hold any great spiritual attachment to my virginity (although I do recall cursing it on more than one occasion >.>) I always wanted my first time to be with someone I truly loved, rather than a casual fling.

    It's really weird - you spend years obsessing about losing it and how the first time will be something magical but instead it turns out to be slightly awkward, slightly embarassing and over waaaaaaaay too quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Succubus View Post
    It's really weird - you spend years obsessing about losing it and how the first time will be something magical but instead it turns out to be slightly awkward, slightly embarassing and over waaaaaaaay too quickly.
    No kidding. At least it was fun.
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    Coming back to the original point about qualifies as "losing your virginity", it's a tricky one, especially for the LGB folks in this thread. I think trying to pin it down (oo-er) on things like orgasms and penetration and what not is the wrong way to look at it, because it's only a short step before people break out the rulers and tape measures and stop watches.

    At the risk of sounding like an episode of Scrubs, I think I'd class losing your virginity as that exact moment when you're naked together in each others arms and all the barriers between you come down.

    As a slight aside and I hope I'm not offending anyone by asking this but do trans folks get to lose their virginity twice?

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    ... I have a question about virginity...
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    If one were to... Well, with themselves... Would that person count as having lost their virginity?


    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Was always more due to either their sexism or the sexism of the people telling stories about them from what I'd seen. Granted, aside from My Little Pony and when Arthurian fanfic has dealt with it, all I've seen has been decidedly in the "unicorns are arrogant jerks who think that they're prettier than they actually are" camp.
    Dude, they're teleporting horses with spears on their heads. They're as pretty as they say they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Doesn't that also sorta spread the belief that sex is only worthwhile if orgasms are involved?

    But then again, you could fill a library with the troublesome attitudes society has about sex.
    There are already libraries full of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Succubus View Post
    Coming back to the original point about qualifies as "losing your virginity", it's a tricky one, especially for the LGB folks in this thread. I think trying to pin it down (oo-er) on things like orgasms and penetration and what not is the wrong way to look at it, because it's only a short step before people break out the rulers and tape measures and stop watches.

    At the risk of sounding like an episode of Scrubs, I think I'd class losing your virginity as that exact moment when you're naked together in each others arms and all the barriers between you come down.

    As a slight aside and I hope I'm not offending anyone by asking this but do trans folks get to lose their virginity twice?
    ... It seems like the answer should be "yes", but I have to wonder if the first first time 'counts'... :hmm...:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachu View Post
    ... I have a question about virginity...
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    If one were to... Well, with themselves... Would that person count as having lost their virginity?
    If we're going by the stopwatch and ruler method of qualification, then I suppose technically yes but I'm sure if you asked enough folks though, the consensus would be "no". Most people would agree that a partner is needed at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix Nihila View Post
    What do you all think of all the baggage associated with losing your virginity anyways? It's always seemed a bit silly to me, though I suppose I could see how someone might consider it special.
    I think our cultural obsession with virginity and the "loss" of it is absurd, and quite harmful. Virginity is nothing but the lack of a particular experience - how can you "lose a lack"? The double negatives makes it a gain. You don't "lose your virginity", you "gain the experience of sex". I think ideally everyone should have an overall pleasant first time, preferably with someone you love and who loves you. But if you don't, it's not the end of the world. You'll have plenty of other opportunities to get it perfect (as if there were such a thing...). And lets face it, sex is (in my opinion) weird and awkward and ridiculous - the very first time, that gets ramped up to 11.
    Being nervous about one's first time and romanticising about it before it happens is understandable, and I think people shouldn't make the decision to do it lightly, but let's not take it to extremes. Billions of people have done it before you, and billions of people will do it afterwards. If goats can do it, I don't think it's such a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix Nihila View Post
    A lot of people think that way, but I don't really see why it's any more special than the first time doing other activities. Although I suppose I don't see sex as inherently emotionally intimate, whereas other people often do. I'm also not really sure how having sex is supposed to strip you of your innocence.
    I think it's a cultural thing, but I think that your first movie is special, your first day of school is special, your first wedding is special, your first car is special, your first time having certain foods is special.

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    Would male virgins attract gay unicorns?
    I want a Unicorn! It would be the best thing ever, it would bring sparkles and rainbows and sunshine wherever I went, and it could gore anyone who dared appose me.

    Quote Originally Posted by KenderWizard View Post
    I think it's a bit silly too. It's a big pile of cultural baggage. Of course, for an individual person, their "first time!" is likely to be something they remember, maybe special, maybe a transition for them. But it won't be for everyone, and to set it up as such, when it's a very natural thing that most people do and messy and imperfect like everything human, is a path to disappointment. It's not going to be a glowing intertwining of two media-perfect flawless smooth bodies in an orgasmic explosion that shakes the heavens themselves and redefines the world and those two people and everything after will forever be changed. It's way more likely to be a bit awkward but nice, but maybe hurt a bit and be a bit sweaty and confused and involve phrases like "Was that it?" and "Hang on, what are we doing now?" with an embarrassing condom-fumble at that.
    I recognize that it will not and cannot be perfect, but I do believe it will be enjoyable and honestly I'm pretty sure I can just cuddle with them, because I'm not ready, and I'm good at ignoring my erections.

    But screw condom fumble, I'm asking for a mutual STD test. No chances. Also gay, so no pregnancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Succubus View Post
    Hmmmm.

    While I didn't hold any great spiritual attachment to my virginity (although I do recall cursing it on more than one occasion >.>) I always wanted my first time to be with someone I truly loved, rather than a casual fling.

    It's really weird - you spend years obsessing about losing it and how the first time will be something magical but instead it turns out to be slightly awkward, slightly embarassing and over waaaaaaaay too quickly.
    Apparently if you can last five minutes the first time, you have the potential to be a pornstar...

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    If one were to... Well, with themselves... Would that person count as having lost their virginity?
    autoeroticism is generally not counted.

    Dude, they're teleporting horses with spears on their heads. They're as pretty as they say they are.
    True that!

    ... It seems like the answer should be "yes", but I have to wonder if the first first time 'counts'... :hmm...:
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Succubus View Post
    If we're going by the stopwatch and ruler method of qualification, then I suppose technically yes but I'm sure if you asked enough folks though, the consensus would be "no". Most people would agree that a partner is needed at some point.
    Stopwatch? Ruler? I would just say that you aren't a virgin anymore when you don't consider yourself to be one anymore. Cause where do you draw a line? Cybering? Does phone sex count? Mutual masturbation? etc...

    I'm not really getting the "losing virginity twice" question? I guess you could consider it like that; but you could also consider a bi person losing their virginity multiple times depending on what gender they're sexytiming with.

    (Also, what about sexytimes when you are transitioning; not everyone gets GRS; non-binary people; I guess you could make a case about pre-realizing you are trans / pre-starting transition vs. having "finished" transitioning but even that is iffy because it depends on the people you're with as well how far you can express yourself etc... )
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    Default Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is

    I'd say you've lost your virginity when you feel like you've lost it. There's certainly something that went "click" when I first did things, and I'm guessing it's much the same with other people.
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    Not even! I'm really frazzled, so I'm having trouble retaining information (hopefully this is not affecting the information I'm trying to learn for my finals coming up!) so it just keeps surprising me!

    To illustrate this, my partner was talking about going to run a Warmachine and Hordes tournament for literally a month. It was yesterday. Day before yesterday he said "So I thought we'd go out for dinner after I get home soon after six."
    Me: Why? Where are you going?!
    Him: *patiently explain for like the seventh time*
    Then later (not much later, same day)
    Him: Yeah, I need to go to bed early too, I have to get up early to get going.
    Me: Why? Where are you going?!
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    *woke up this morning feeling incredibly girly*
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    *is happy *

    *realises that's the first time she's ever used female pronouns about herself*
    *is happier*
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    She'd been openly Bi for a while now, and this I guess was just the final straw. Trying not to dwell on it, but I haven't heard the right words to feel better. Everyone just says, "you'll have many more girlfriends" (thanks?), or, "maybe she wasn't the right person" (she was, it just didn't work).

    People try to cheer me up, and it hurts more. I don't want a new girlfriend, I want my old one back. I want to take her out to ice cream, and walk her to the beach, and hug her as the tide comes in. Not get told that there's someone else. But I can't have her back. She's not openly Bi anymore, the relationship is over. The depression that I'd lost with her is back tenfold.

    I hate this, why can't I get a relationship to WORK?
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    True though that may be, nothing is accomplished by telling angry people to **** off. Intolerance isn't the way to promote tolerance.

    I think that the comment was counter-productive and bigoted, but I also see that he must have a really good reason to be angry, or there wouldn't be much cause to declare hatred for the majority of humanity. I wholly agree with anyone who'd be offended by it, and they have every right to argue with him as often as they have to. But it shouldn't be responded to with more bigotry. That doesn't even make sense.
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    Stop by the next local pride parade. Simple demographics mean that there are likely to be more straight allies than actual people the parade is meant for. (Kinsey's numbers are acknowledged as being inflated, and even by them, straights have a 9:1 edge over everyone else.) The official leaders won't be overturned, but most of the safe spaces will be co-opted. .
    But aren’t pride parades meant to be eye openers for straight people, to combat ignorance etc? Perhaps those straight people involved in the parades are at least *somewhat* queer, or experimenting, and why not give them a chance to explore that with more experienced persons?

    Having said that, movements have to be much more careful about letting extremists run the show. It's all too easy to let ideological purity become a litmus test, which turns the movement into an ingrown caricature. Most of the examples I can think of are political and/or religious. I'm sure you can think of political and/or religious groups that have turned in on themselves to this degree on your own.
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    What I meant is that straight white cismen are not often oppressed because of their gender. When they do, it's generally in ways that discourage that from exhibiting "feminine" characteristics, or that get rid of privileges (like being able to raise or see your children when you're divorced), as opposite to direct violence and denial of basic human rights. Oppression of women is far worse than oppression of men, today, in most if not all places on Earth and around its atmosphere.

    Or is it an idea that's directly contradicted by that movie?
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    ¤ While checking a bulletin board, you see a free course in Somalian folk dance from the Somalian Women's Association. You read: “Only for women”, and think, “Oh, what a pity, but I guess they need a safe zone, and that should be respected.”

    Then you start to wonder how they would react if a trans woman would want to join the dance class. ._.

    ¤ One of the reasons you don’t go to the doctor to check up your depression is that your friends have it worse, so you think your depression can’t be that bad. However, when voiceing that, your friends tell you that your depression is still an issue, and you get courage to seek professional help.

    ¤ You’re considering to make peace with a trans activist you’ve fallen out with, and plan to send a message about “burying the hatchet”. Then you realise that the cliché phrase might be offensive to Native Americans/First Nations. Even if you consider making a convulated explanation about Vikings having lived in North America as a Native American tribe.

    ¤ Your wish fulfillment Author Avatar/Marty Stu is a friend and/or lover to several characters belonging to minority groups, and your character is making what hir can do to not be offensive to them, but some times slips up. Since it’s wish fulfillment, the friends and lovers are patient and forgives hir.

    Also, THEY FIGHT CRIME!


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    Re: Voice / LGBT+ group; I wouldn't bar anyone from joining in if they wanted to hang out.

    To make this easy everyone interested just add me on Skype? If we have an idea on numbers of people we can see how to handle this further.
    (My skype is "lenaleaner")

    Edit: Something interesting I came across. A proposed book series for children that explores gender identity.
    Aww, my Skype is acting up right now, it just won’t finish logging in. ._.
    I’ll try to take a look at that children’s book project.

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    So Re: Voice group, do those interested want to do it at a fixed time or go with more of a "oh, we have several people online, let's go."?
    I don’t know, both seems OK with me.


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    So like the Four Yorkshiremen Sketch?
    (don't have a link to yours in English, do you?)
    Love it!

    It's similar, but different... Less about privilege, and more (?) absurdity:

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    There was a Norwegian, a German and Bellman, and they were all bragging about how small their fathers were. The Norwegian proudly stated that his father slept in a dresser drawer. The German said,
    - Bah, my father sleeps in a matchbox.
    Then Bellman said,
    - I don't have a father... He fell off a ladder and died when he was picking strawberries...



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    *Hugs!* Never feel bad about talking about what you have to.

    Besides, it actually comforts me when someone cares enough to say they want to help... *More hugs*
    *Hugs Arachu* That makes me glad to read. ^_^


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    Thought I would say hello, come out a bit since this is an LGBT friendly forum. So, hi. I'm trans, will be getting facial surgery on Tuesday, and be full time aftter that.
    Yay!

    Good luck, and if you want them, *hugs*.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Frog View Post
    *peeeeeeks in*

    ...Hi! I'm new-ish (but been lurking for years), and since I haven't really made a name for myself, you may call me any permutation of my user name. I've known these LGBTAitP threads exist for quite some time, and now that I've officially joined the forum, this thread seemed like a nifty place to hang out. I never would have guessed one of these threads would start on the day I joined, so it looks like my timing was good?

    Now for my little intro: I'm 25 years old and identify as gay, even though my sexuality isn't that simple. I guess the proper terms would be asexual and homoromantic (leaning ever-so-slightly towards biromantic), which as I've learned during my time/research online, isn't all too rare.

    I know this thread says right at the start that it's very inclusive and there was really no need to describe how I fit into the whole LGBTA etc. spectrum, but hey, why not? Anyway, I look forward to meeting you folks, as well as seeing how this thread pans out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Succubus View Post
    If we're going by the stopwatch and ruler method of qualification, then I suppose technically yes but I'm sure if you asked enough folks though, the consensus would be "no". Most people would agree that a partner is needed at some point.
    That's what I've been assuming, but it's just iffy enough to make the question hard to answer... Being able to imply that you've actually done that is probably the best answer to "you can't know you're bi until you've been with a man", though.

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    Aww. (Sorry if this isn't longer relevant...)
    That was my reaction. ^_^

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    *Hugs Arachu* That makes me glad to read. ^_^
    Thanks for existing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachu View Post
    That's what I've been assuming, but it's just iffy enough to make the question hard to answer... Being able to imply that you've actually done that is probably the best answer to "you can't know you're bi until you've been with a man", though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    This group of people who define it in such a way keeps getting brought up almost every time the question comes up, but no one ever seems to own up to defining it that way when it does get discussed... It makes me wonder, has anyone here actually encountered someone who subscribes to that belief?
    I think I've heard people claim to, but I'm not sure. Maybe more in a suggestion kind of way. "Well, if we're measuring by orgasms surely both (or all) partners would have to experience orgasm for it to count?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Doesn't that also sorta spread the belief that sex is only worthwhile if orgasms are involved?

    But then again, you could fill a library with the troublesome attitudes society has about sex.
    I don't think any of my examples are the "right" way to define the virginity-losing moment, if such exists. But then, I don't think there is a "right" way to define it. I think it's for each person to decide.

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    Coming back to the original point about qualifies as "losing your virginity", it's a tricky one, especially for the LGB folks in this thread. I think trying to pin it down (oo-er) on things like orgasms and penetration and what not is the wrong way to look at it, because it's only a short step before people break out the rulers and tape measures and stop watches.

    At the risk of sounding like an episode of Scrubs, I think I'd class losing your virginity as that exact moment when you're naked together in each others arms and all the barriers between you come down.

    As a slight aside and I hope I'm not offending anyone by asking this but do trans folks get to lose their virginity twice?
    By your definition, no? There can only be a first time that your barriers come down with another person for the first time (by definition), and that could happen pre-, mid- or post-transition.

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    If one were to... Well, with themselves... Would that person count as having lost their virginity?

    Some people would say yes, other people would say no. I think the general consensus would be no, but then the general consensus is that it's PIV that counts and that doesn't work, so what does the general consensus really know?

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    I didn't consciously dot dot dot with myself until after I'd had dot dot dot with my partner (I'm actually still awful at it. I wouldn't have thought one could be awful at it!) So for me, certainly not. I think going by a Victorian-type loss-of-innocence idea of a "first time", or a hippy idea, it could count because it could be the sexual awakening of an individual, more dirty/special than a subsequent addition of a partner into the mix. All about how each person thinks about such things!


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    I think our cultural obsession with virginity and the "loss" of it is absurd, and quite harmful. Virginity is nothing but the lack of a particular experience - how can you "lose a lack"? The double negatives makes it a gain. You don't "lose your virginity", you "gain the experience of sex". I think ideally everyone should have an overall pleasant first time, preferably with someone you love and who loves you. But if you don't, it's not the end of the world. You'll have plenty of other opportunities to get it perfect (as if there were such a thing...). And lets face it, sex is (in my opinion) weird and awkward and ridiculous - the very first time, that gets ramped up to 11.
    Being nervous about one's first time and romanticising about it before it happens is understandable, and I think people shouldn't make the decision to do it lightly, but let's not take it to extremes. Billions of people have done it before you, and billions of people will do it afterwards. If goats can do it, I don't think it's such a big deal.
    I agree! And I think "If goats can do it, I don't think it's such a big deal" is a fantastic ground rule!

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    I think it's a cultural thing, but I think that your first movie is special, your first day of school is special, your first wedding is special, your first car is special, your first time having certain foods is special.


    I recognize that it will not and cannot be perfect, but I do believe it will be enjoyable and honestly I'm pretty sure I can just cuddle with them, because I'm not ready, and I'm good at ignoring my erections.

    But screw condom fumble, I'm asking for a mutual STD test. No chances. Also gay, so no pregnancy.
    I like first times too. I think the best balance is feeling that the first time of something is special, but if it doesn't go perfectly, it's not the end of the world; there'll be other movies or schooldays or sexytimes.

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    I don't think any of my examples are the "right" way to define the virginity-losing moment, if such exists. But then, I don't think there is a "right" way to define it. I think it's for each person to decide.
    Oh, I didn't believe you ascribed to any. Just wanted to press that one a bit because orgasms aren't a requirement for good sex.
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    Oh, I didn't believe you ascribed to any. Just wanted to press that one a bit because orgasms aren't a requirement for good sex.
    That's easy to say for someone without a body part that turns blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenderWizard View Post
    I agree! And I think "If goats can do it, I don't think it's such a big deal" is a fantastic ground rule!
    Although on the other hand, there are some things goats can do which would be a pretty big deal if a human could manage it...
    ...and now I'm wondering what human cheese tastes like :I

    Regarding "doing it with yourself", is it strange that I thought it was about doing it with a clone until other people started responding to it? <.< (my answer would be "yes - at the point you had two separate bodies, you each start forming your own memories and experiences and therefore are two separate beings, therefore it would be losing one's virginity gaining one's first experience of sexual intercourse, although it would also be incest" - which by implication I guess covers my basic requirement for first sex)

    Regarding "loss of virginity": I'd personally say the point where one's naughty bits come in naked (except contraceptive devices) and "connected" contact with another person's naughty bits. But that doesn't mean I think it applies to everybody. I think that conversation from Chasing Amy covers most problems with defining the boundaries of virginity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    Oh, I didn't believe you ascribed to any. Just wanted to press that one a bit because orgasms aren't a requirement for good sex.
    Good. I certainly don't think so; I'm honestly not sure if I've had an orgasm or not. (Surprisingly, you can't get someone else to check to make sure you're experiencing it correctly. ) Descriptions of female orgasms have thus far proved unable to clarify the issue.

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    Generally not, unless you mean something like a time-clone or other scenario where there's two identical bodies that are "that person." It's generally defined as requiring more than one person-body involved.



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    Eh, dumb horses with pointy sticks are about as nonthreatening as a deer. Sure, it could kill you, but it doesn't want to be around you long enough to actually hunt down and kill you because of its sexism. Which means they never have full opportunity to choose the terrain, which is generally their downfall from the stories I've read about the "typical" unicorn hunt.

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    ... It seems like the answer should be "yes", but I have to wonder if the first first time 'counts'... :hmm...:
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    Yeah, sex, the media and the young minds are...a bit messed up.

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    It's still true. Occasionally frustrating, but still true.
    Frustrating is a pretty mild word for being left in stabbing aching agony for an hour because my partner speaks French like a Welsh sheepdog.

    I'm bitter because a total of 1 - yes one - partner in my whole life has ever been able to finish me a sentence, and that was nine years ago. I'd need both hands and both feet to count all the other tongue-tied oafs. Sigh.

    For women it's likely different -- that's a whole pathless forest I am content not to explore -- but for me, as a man, a lack of orgasm and the accompanying pain is a pretty good indicator that something went wrong.
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    I had to put up with a guy in my class fingering a heart and saying it felt like a girl.
    What the hell is wrong with some people these days?
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    That's nothin'. In my school biology class where we dissected rats, one girl took some intestines and wore them as a necklace
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    Yeah, sex, the media and the young minds are...a bit messed up.

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