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    I think Serpentine was criticizing the self-prescription of hormones rather than the self-diagnosis of transgenderism. (By the way, is "diagnosis" appropriate in this context? It seems a little off, to me.)
    They are seeing an endocrinologist. (And a lot of trans* people are on DIY hormones because of how much gatekeeper there can be coming from therapists.)
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    I imagine that being a couple of centuries after the fact would diminish the impact you felt, especially as it is regarded as one of the classics with all of the stigma that entails.

    The subtlety is hardly relevant in this day and age, though I seem to recall that it caused a bit of a scandal amongst its target audience.
    Well, people joke like that all the time these days. Plus, the whole being-printed-as-a-pamphlet bit threw a lot of them off.

    I bet it wasn't half as confusing as the one that claimed that the one that predicted a bunch of his rivals' deaths was accurate, though.


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    Well I know that until this thread I had no idea. Now I admire MtF's and FtM's courage and dedication for having one of the hardest fights to be themselves.

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    This is probably because I've never told him about my emotions regarding the subject. I just told him a bit less than 12ish hours ago in the conversation about the event that made me seriously concider that I might actually like men. Apparently I'd been able to dismiss the fact that from the age of 11 I've fantasized about sleeping with guys, even before I kew the mechanics of sex, when gay was a word I never knew until sixth grade, when it was still just something lurking in the shadows that you should never become.

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    So apparently I have a transexual friend now? A friend from high school. I'm still somewhat ambivalent about him anyway, because he used to be a complete a-hole and a frequent liar. We talked about it a while ago and they said they've changed, but we haven't really had much contact since then and it's hard to shake 5 years of impression, y'know? And she's started hormones without talking to a psychologist (just an endocronologist), which makes it self-diagnosis which I'm opposed to in general anyway.
    So yeah. Lots of ambivalence :/
    But also support regardless. I mentioned this thread and some resources that've come up here a lot, in case she wants 'em.
    As someone who's never had access to a psychologist of any kind, I can't help but be a little offended by the implication that someone needs one to know who she is. :/

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    At any rate, thanks for supporting her. We need all the help we can get.
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    For saying to think outside of the box, they certainly were rather box-focused.

    Mostly though the logo is distracting. It's like a reverse check-mark J or something. WHAT IS THIS THING!?

    Is the whole sex assigned at birth thing the usual convention over in Ireland and the UK? Because over here I only ever have heard of it with regards to surgical alteration and choosing to assign a sex to a baby born with ambiguous genitalia. Something I hear has been dropping off in recent years in favor of waiting to see how the child develops first.
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    I think it's a Q, making it Q soc or Queer Society.

    And now I am imagining a 19th century Royal Society for the Study of the Queer peopled entirely by storks in pink tophats. O_o

    No, I have no idea what is going on in my head either.

    On a less maddening note, I wish I could check outside the gender box norm. But I am always too scared that it will mess up the legitimity of the form. ._.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Is the whole sex assigned at birth thing the usual convention over in Ireland and the UK? Because over here I only ever have heard of it with regards to surgical alteration and choosing to assign a sex to a baby born with ambiguous genitalia. Something I hear has been dropping off in recent years in favor of waiting to see how the child develops first.
    It's fairly common terminology used in trans* and intersex oriented circles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrella View Post
    It's fairly common terminology used in trans* and intersex oriented circles.
    Ah. Is it meant to sound like they're looking to blame someone for it or is that just a tangential side-effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    For saying to think outside of the box, they certainly were rather box-focused.

    Mostly though the logo is distracting. It's like a reverse check-mark J or something. WHAT IS THIS THING!?

    Is the whole sex assigned at birth thing the usual convention over in Ireland and the UK? Because over here I only ever have heard of it with regards to surgical alteration and choosing to assign a sex to a baby born with ambiguous genitalia. Something I hear has been dropping off in recent years in favor of waiting to see how the child develops first.
    They do love their boxes.

    Keveak is right; it's a Q. It's new. They are officially the "Trinity LGBT Society", but they've unofficially put "Qsoc" in their logo. It took me a minute to get it the first time I saw it too - I just thought it was some kind of rainbow-explosion-circle random shape logo.

    And I think "sex assigned at birth" means "sex society assumes you have based on the genitalia you come out with when you're born". "Assigned" being fairly neutral in this context, more like "given automatically" than "forced upon". It's kind of up to how you, the reader, view these things; you could interpret it just as easily as "given innocently in good faith, since it's most likely, and it's really hard to raise children without making some assumptions about them before they can communicate effectively", rather than a blaming thing.

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    It hasn't been a very good week, what with pet worries, PC troubles and other problems begining with a P. So I need my weekly dose of adorableness.

    Where is little Shiro and their updates when you need them?!

    And on the UK assigned sex thing, from what I understand it is pretty normal for a sex to be assigned, with some cases where the parents do things like bring up the child completly gender neutral and let them decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenderWizard View Post
    "given innocently in good faith, since it's most likely, and it's really hard to raise children without making some assumptions about them before they can communicate effectively"
    You truly and legitimately believe that it would be worth mentioning if that was all that was meant?

    It has to mean at least something for it to appear in the same sense and general placement with that much regularity.
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    Where is little Shiro and their updates when you need them?!
    What? Where?

    It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's just Mitchell Shiro talking to himself!

    Well... Um... Let's see. I wanna take him to a place called Longwood Gardens for our next date. It's a beautiful place, very romantic.

    He was also telling me about his school's Ring Dance next fall, where all the Juniors get their class rings, and then have a big dance. Nothing says fun like a gay couple at a Catholic School dance.
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    Speaking of which!

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    It hasn't been a very good week, what with pet worries, PC troubles and other problems begining with a P. So I need my weekly dose of adorableness.
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    And on the UK assigned sex thing, from what I understand it is pretty normal for a sex to be assigned, with some cases where the parents do things like bring up the child completly gender neutral and let them decide.
    I think this is the way to do it. In the US, genders are given based on your gentials, and that's it. Boy, girl. I agree that the unassigned gender system is brilliant, just let the kid do what they feel like doing, and let the kid decide who they want to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Shiro View Post
    What? Where?

    It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's just Mitchell Shiro talking to himself!

    Well... Um... Let's see. I wanna take him to a place called Longwood Gardens for our next date. It's a beautiful place, very romantic.

    He was also telling me about his school's Ring Dance next fall, where all the Juniors get their class rings, and then have a big dance. Nothing says fun like a gay couple at a Catholic School dance.
    That'd be fun. Painful too, considering where it is and the previously mentioned students going there. But fun.
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    He was also telling me about his school's Ring Dance next fall, where all the Juniors get their class rings, and then have a big dance. Nothing says fun like a gay couple at a Catholic School dance.
    It could be worse. You could be the only vampire at a Jehova's Witness dance :P

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    I think this is the way to do it. In the US, genders are given based on your gentials, and that's it. Boy, girl. I agree that the unassigned gender system is brilliant, just let the kid do what they feel like doing, and let the kid decide who they want to be.
    That works, but there will probably have to be a big social change for that to happen, one I don't see coming for a long time. People will try and force you to obey the common archtypes and percived social norms.
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    It could be worse. You could be the only vampire at a Jehova's Witness dance :P
    Worse? I get to dance with my boyfriend. Who the hell cares where it is, it couldn't be better.
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    It could be worse. You could be the only vampire at a Jehova's Witness dance :P
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    Worse? I get to dance with my boyfriend. Who the hell cares where it is, it couldn't be better.
    Well, you know, a Catholic school with a bunch of unaccepting and potentially violent people might not be the best place to go on a date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Shiro View Post
    Worse? I get to dance with my boyfriend. Who the hell cares where it is, it couldn't be better.
    The implied statement, going from the subtext and history of harassment, that they would turn violent or spew bigotry all over your shoes, ruining them, I imagine.
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    Well, you know, a Catholic school with a bunch of unaccepting and potentially violent people might not be the best place to go on a date.
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    The implied statement, going from the subtext and history of harassment, that they would turn violent or spew bigotry all over your shoes, ruining them, I imagine.
    I know, I know. But he is the one who invited me, and I trust him to not do such a thing if he was worried about anything too bad happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Shiro View Post
    What? Where?

    It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's just Mitchell Shiro talking to himself!

    Well... Um... Let's see. I wanna take him to a place called Longwood Gardens for our next date. It's a beautiful place, very romantic.

    He was also telling me about his school's Ring Dance next fall, where all the Juniors get their class rings, and then have a big dance. Nothing says fun like a gay couple at a Catholic School dance.
    Well I'm gonna be coming out at the reception for my Eagle Court of Honor, but as long as you don't get attacked successfully, I'm sure the look on their faces would be fun

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    [COLOR="Navy"]*Holds tightly* I know about half of your pain... I had my own bathroom in my other room, and my dad decided from early on that it was "his", so he'd randomly move through a lot.

    Also he has the strangest way of assuming that I'm doing that when I'm not and having no idea that I am when I am. Maybe I'm just so sneaky that there aren't any real signals to pick up on?
    Heh, well I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
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    I know, I know.
    Then why feign ignorance when someone mentioned being a mythological creature that is kill on sight worthy as a worse alternative?
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    I know, I know. But he is the one who invited me, and I trust him to not do such a thing if he was worried about anything too bad happening.
    Yeah, but things can go very wrong very fast. I hope you'll have a perfect evening, but I also hope you'll remember to be careful.

    And I hope we will one day live in a world where those sentiments wouldn't both naturally flow from 2 guys going to a school dance.
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    Then why feign ignorance when someone mentioned being a mythological creature that is kill on sight worthy as a worse alternative?
    Because just because I know and understand what your saying, does not mean I agree.
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    Because just because I know and understand what your saying, does not mean I agree.
    Then just say so rather than making it take up even more posts.

    I must admit, considering what you've said so far, I don't see how you could disagree that there's some cause for concern and care with the bigots of that school and not affording them any more opportunity than prudent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Then just say so rather than making it take up even more posts.

    I must admit, considering what you've said so far, I don't see how you could disagree that there's some cause for concern and care with the bigots of that school and not affording them any more opportunity than prudent.
    I suppose it's ignorance on my part. I've never actually had a direct confrontation with homophobia before. Not knowing what it is like, the idea does not seem so worrisome to me.
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    I know, I know. But he is the one who invited me, and I trust him to not do such a thing if he was worried about anything too bad happening.
    Want me to chaperone you guys? I could take a couple of obnoxious fifteen-year-olds. Heck, I might roll high enough on Intimidate to avoid the fight.
    Now I just need to buy some sap gloves...seriously, those things would be my weapon of choice in almost any situation not involving ranged weapons, which are just cheating.
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    I suppose it's ignorance on my part. I've never actually had a direct confrontation with homophobia before. Not knowing what it is like, the idea does not seem so worrisome to me.
    What? Most straight guys end up dealing with homophobia. How did you manage that one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    Want me to chaperone you guys? I could take a couple of obnoxious fifteen-year-olds. Heck, I might roll high enough on Intimidate to avoid the fight.
    Now I just need to buy some sap gloves...seriously, those things would be my weapon of choice in almost any situation not involving ranged weapons, which are just cheating.


    What are sap gloves?
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    I suppose it's ignorance on my part. I've never actually had a direct confrontation with homophobia before. Not knowing what it is like, the idea does not seem so worrisome to me.
    Well depending on your outfits you could bring a sabre. That should look menacing enough to scare any homophobes away
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