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    "I Kissed a Girl"? (Or whatever it's called.) I don't like Katy Perry, though. I'm very particular when it comes to female singing voices, and hers is particularly unpleasant to me. And I just don't really like her music and lyrics.

    Anyway, this happened because a song on my iPod said something about a man and a woman and I was like but what about gays?
    There's a much better song which I believe also goes by the name "I kissed a girl." It's cute, unlike the Katy Perry one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    And now for something completely different.
    (Hey I'm tired, and I'm tense, and twitchy for no apparent reason. So nonsequitirs happen.)
    Is there any LGBTA+ music? Like, a song that's about two women instead of a man and a woman, or involving a transgendered person?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlzrvRYCh0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIvXUNp8HtU
    Yes, these songs are about a woman.

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    I think the term is separationism and it has been practiced by various groups over the years. It's not an entirely stupid idea - the theory is that if you have no cishetero people there then the queer people will be able to talk without having to worry about the kyriarchy watching them. But it can also be taken too far, like when trans women are excluded from women's festivals because they're "really men".
    It's a precarious balance; because I think non-queer views can certainly contribute a ton to a queer discussion; but they should always be mindful of not domination the conversation (cause that's what goes on in transphobic femimist circles for example; their pet theories of gender are more important than people's lived experiences for, and things like that.)

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    The theme for this year's Rainbow Week at college was Trans* Rights and although, once again, I wasn't able to be much involved, I did, once again, ask for their posters! These were all around campus:

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    Those are very much awesome. I can't really think of any issues with them and they sum up a lot of important things in a concise way.

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    Ah. Is it meant to sound like they're looking to blame someone for it or is that just a tangential side-effect?
    It's sorta is. Consider for example intersex folk. There's is / was a far bigger drive to surgically modify / socialize people with ambiguous genitalia as girls. (That's where the whole horrible line of "It's easier to make a hole than a pole" comes from; without any regards to their gender identity. (Look up the case of David Reimer as a particular vile example) So yes, I think the whole surgically altering people so they fit into one of the two boxes (not to mention how horribly binary society still is; gender isn't binary, sex isn't even binary, fiddlesticks!) is a pretty horrible and blame-worthy thing.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    And now for something completely different.
    (Hey I'm tired, and I'm tense, and twitchy for no apparent reason. So nonsequitirs happen.)
    Is there any LGBTA+ music? Like, a song that's about two women instead of a man and a woman, or involving a transgendered person?
    Stockings - Suzanne Vega, which I'm incidentally listening to. I've heard about a genre called queercore, but I'm not really familiar with and I also remember reading an article about a brand of music coined by trans* artists, but again, I can't seem to remember much more about it.

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    Of Elton John's songs, ones that stand out for LGBT subject matter include Nikita (About a Russian man, although Elton John deliberately choose a name that could be easily mistaken for feminine), Big Dipper, All the Girls Love Alice, and They Call Her The Cat, about an MtF transsexual. Freaks in Love probably counts, although it's not explicitly or exclusively about homosexual relationships.
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    http://www.outradio.com/

    All the Girls Love Alice is my favorite Elton John song. And there's a whole subgenre called queercore if you like punk.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqaUZkf52fs

    How could I forget that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    And now for something completely different.
    (Hey I'm tired, and I'm tense, and twitchy for no apparent reason. So nonsequitirs happen.)
    Is there any LGBTA+ music? Like, a song that's about two women instead of a man and a woman, or involving a transgendered person?
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    not exactly, but ehe first one I thought of was:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30VMwsK9Ses&ob=av3e
    [WARNING CONTAINS UNCENSORED FEMALE NIPPLES, THE HORROR]


    Quote Originally Posted by golentan View Post
    There's a much better song which I believe also goes by the name "I kissed a girl." It's cute, unlike the Katy Perry one.
    I Kissed A Girl by Jill Sobule [according to Wikipedia]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FdwUGwasck
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    Female nipples are PG-13 these days. I'm old enough to watch R-rated movies in theater!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squidbreath View Post
    I Kissed A Girl by Jill Sobule [according to Wikipedia]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FdwUGwasck
    That's the one.
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    I've always been bothered by oversexualization in a lot of properties, but I never got why breasts were such a big deal. They're just there so that the woman can nurse a child as a matriarch, nothing else. Why they're associated with sex is beyond me.

    My time in Belize proved that women there care about as much about covered their chests as they do with fashion: They don't. In fact, a large number of Belizian women I saw at the one beach I went to (I was diving offshore usually) wore "male" swim trunks. To them, it was a bathing suit. And that's why I began to question America's values on censorship.

    A quick listen to Dyer's Eve reminds me that we're a culture founded on the logic that we can protect our children from stuff that isn't exactly going to be hidden from them when they're 8, or when they're 18. Of course, that song is about censorship in general, but it's Metallica; It's left up to the listener to interpret the song's concept. Seeing as the song came out in 1989, 3 years before this lovely thing called the internet, a modern interpretation is clearly going to be different.

    I just noticed I'm good at internal tangents. I think my point is "America, don't censor boobs", but I wrote so much, I thought it should stay.
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    Carl Sagan is amazing; he's sorta my idol with regards to why I want to teach.

    Therapy went really good; a lot of talking about various things (depressiveness, clothing, social contact, support groups, ...), even covered the what's and why's of my interest in space a ton. (I tend to get obsessed about certain things for a while and then drop them, so there's the concern (which I've had a ton) that Lena is just a thing like that; I'm incredibly flaky and indecisive; but this is the first thing that feels right deep into my core; a very deep certainness and just being able to express that was really empowering.)
    We have that in common - I switch interests so quickly that I get distracted from my distractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triscuitable View Post
    I've always been bothered by oversexualization in a lot of properties, but I never got why breasts were such a big deal. They're just there so that the woman can nurse a child as a matriarch, nothing else. Why they're associated with sex is beyond me.

    My time in Belize proved that women there care about as much about covered their chests as they do with fashion: They don't. In fact, a large number of Belizian women I saw at the one beach I went to (I was diving offshore usually) wore "male" swim trunks. To them, it was a bathing suit. And that's why I began to question America's values on censorship.

    A quick listen to Dyer's Eve reminds me that we're a culture founded on the logic that we can protect our children from stuff that isn't exactly going to be hidden from them when they're 8, or when they're 18. Of course, that song is about censorship in general, but it's Metallica; It's left up to the listener to interpret the song's concept. Seeing as the song came out in 1989, 3 years before this lovely thing called the internet, a modern interpretation is clearly going to be different.

    I just noticed I'm good at internal tangents. I think my point is "America, don't censor boobs", but I wrote so much, I thought it should stay.
    Well, they're considered to be part of the reproductive process because babies feed from them. And they're part of sex because they're sensitive? And they're sexy because they imply the ability to feed a baby?
    I dunno.
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    IIRC, one part of it is the bit where healthy-ish adult human ciswomen almost always look like they're in their fertile period/are almost impossible to tell if they're in their fertile period unlike other animals.

    I'm sure there's all kinds of things written on the subject if you actually wanted to know though, or at least know what our current stabs at it boil down to.
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    I'd comment but I'm afraid discussing the reasoning behind the standards for what is unacceptable vs. what is merely racy will get me in trouble. If it's deemed acceptable by a mod, I will speak up on the part that really confuses me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    And now for something completely different.
    (Hey I'm tired, and I'm tense, and twitchy for no apparent reason. So nonsequitirs happen.)
    Is there any LGBTA+ music? Like, a song that's about two women instead of a man and a woman, or involving a transgendered person?
    Gay Bar by Electric Six One of my favourite songs ever (Rock)
    Scar by Missy Higgins A bisexual woman singing about her past relationships, both male and female.
    I like your booty (but I'm not gay) Enjoyable techno drivel. Yes, I heard it on YGOTAS

    To add to what Shiro started with Lady Gaga, Born This Way is kind of about LGBT issues, but it's not about a relationship per se. And Poker Face is about a woman fantasising about a woman while having sex with a man.

    Telephone's music video is very lesbian but the song doesn't mention gender at all.

    Aside from Poker Face, I think the videos are NSFW but they're easy enough to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triscuitable View Post
    I've always been bothered by oversexualization in a lot of properties, but I never got why breasts were such a big deal. They're just there so that the woman can nurse a child as a matriarch, nothing else. Why they're associated with sex is beyond me.

    My time in Belize proved that women there care about as much about covered their chests as they do with fashion: They don't. In fact, a large number of Belizian women I saw at the one beach I went to (I was diving offshore usually) wore "male" swim trunks. To them, it was a bathing suit. And that's why I began to question America's values on censorship.

    A quick listen to Dyer's Eve reminds me that we're a culture founded on the logic that we can protect our children from stuff that isn't exactly going to be hidden from them when they're 8, or when they're 18. Of course, that song is about censorship in general, but it's Metallica; It's left up to the listener to interpret the song's concept. Seeing as the song came out in 1989, 3 years before this lovely thing called the internet, a modern interpretation is clearly going to be different.

    I just noticed I'm good at internal tangents. I think my point is "America, don't censor boobs", but I wrote so much, I thought it should stay.
    I did once hear that they were effectively a cultural fetish. It makes sense to me. There was also a culture (too lazy to look it up) where men found women's hands attractive because they were one of the only uncovered parts of the female body in public. I guess it's kind of cause they're also an obvious sign of femininity. I used to not get it either until ~2 years ago, but they're very... erm I like them now
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    Also, to everyone interested the long running ship tease in spinnerette seems to be moving towards a conclusion, possibly with an LGBT couple emerging as a result.
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    In other news, I think I just relaxed... In the nude.

    Really, though, I've always felt all weird and uncomfortable (and more recently fat) if I wasn't at least wearing shorts and t-shirt. Now I've lost so much weight, and my hair's all smooth, and I pretty much don't have any of that pesky body hair to deal with... I feel... Well, good. Amazing, even.
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    ^: That's good. Body breathes a lot better when it's confined under less layers anyway.

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    I did once hear that they were effectively a cultural fetish. It makes sense to me. There was also a culture (too lazy to look it up) where men found women's hands attractive because they were one of the only uncovered parts of the female body in public. I guess it's kind of cause they're also an obvious sign of femininity. I used to not get it either until ~2 years ago, but they're very... erm I like them now
    I do recall hearing something about wrist-shape being one of the most difficult things to disguise or alter to appear as the opposite sex. Or possibly one of the conventions used in art to define to the viewer that one was looking at a man in convincing drag. Kinda get real life and my art stuff mixed up from time to time. x.x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachu View Post
    In other news, I think I just relaxed... In the nude.

    Really, though, I've always felt all weird and uncomfortable (and more recently fat) if I wasn't at least wearing shorts and t-shirt. Now I've lost so much weight, and my hair's all smooth, and I pretty much don't have any of that pesky body hair to deal with... I feel... Well, good. Amazing, even.
    Good to see you are feeling better about your body!

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    LGBT music... what about t.A.T.u? There's the minor issue that the singers aren't actually in a lesbian relationship and it was a marketing gimmick, but I like their stuff anyway.
    (IIRC, one is bi and the other has not specified.)

    My favourite example would be Loves Me Not, which seems to be about a woman in a homosexual relationship struggling with bisexual urges.
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    Y'no how there's this for M/M

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dysG12QCdTA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Righty-o then KenderWizard. So you chose to go with moralizing instead of just saying the second one in the first place because...?
    Because "assigned" is a fairly neutral term? What "second one" are you referring to? Where am I choosing to moralise? I think we're doing that thing again. I don't think I understand where your problem is. I don't think I am moralising, aside from, I suppose, you can discern what I believe to be morally right from what I wrote? I just don't know why we never understand each other! To clarify, in case this is the problem: I didn't make the posters, I just tried to answer your question about what was meant by "assigned at birth" based on what would be normally understood, from my perspective, in my immediate society, since I share the most cultural and linguistic background with the people who made the poster (Irish, liberal, educated, middle class).

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    Well, they're considered to be part of the reproductive process because babies feed from them. And they're part of sex because they're sensitive? And they're sexy because they imply the ability to feed a baby?
    I dunno.
    God, I don't know. But a lot of it is cultural, since different cultures have different ideas about what different body parts are sexy, and what the ideal for that body part is. (Generally speaking. For example, our society values, say, tallness in men, but an individual androsexual person might find short men particularly sexy.)

    I don't really think babies come much into why breasts are considered sexy, though. I think it's more the womanliness and shape and stuff. Although they do imply health and fertility.

    But we have got to get over being weirded out by breastfeeding. It's such an amazingly important thing, and it should be completely normal for us, and every woman who can should be supported so she feels able to choose breastfeeding. No one should ever have to stop breastfeeding because of external pressure. Some people can't, and that's fine, but it shouldn't be an unnecessary struggle for those who can, and it definitely is in a lot of western cultures.

    I have strong feelings about this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenderWizard View Post
    God, I don't know. But a lot of it is cultural, since different cultures have different ideas about what different body parts are sexy, and what the ideal for that body part is. (Generally speaking. For example, our society values, say, tallness in men, but an individual androsexual person might find short men particularly sexy.)

    I don't really think babies come much into why breasts are considered sexy, though. I think it's more the womanliness and shape and stuff. Although they do imply health and fertility.

    But we have got to get over being weirded out by breastfeeding. It's such an amazingly important thing, and it should be completely normal for us, and every woman who can should be supported so she feels able to choose breastfeeding. No one should ever have to stop breastfeeding because of external pressure. Some people can't, and that's fine, but it shouldn't be an unnecessary struggle for those who can, and it definitely is in a lot of western cultures.

    I have strong feelings about this!
    Kender, how do you like breasts?

    I was breastfed. And dropped on my head as a baby. (Well I dropped myself on my head because it turns out cribs are meant for children who cannot climb before they can walk. I was precocious.) And most of my smart friends have one or both of those in common with me.
    Therefore all babies should be dropped on their heads and breastfed!

    More seriously, breastfeeding is the only good way to go. It's what evolved to feed babies. Therefore, it's the best thing to feed babies. Not that artificial crap they sell in supermarkets. And it's not like breastfeeding is publicly indecent. Nipples are PG-13 these days. So it's kind of whatever.
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    When did that happen anyway?

    I believe being uncomfortable about breastfeeding mostly stems from being uncomfortable around very small children because they're annoying, socially awkward, and a danger to themselves and a major distraction to others.
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    I mean, the sound of a child, especially a baby-infant-thing, crying is designed to set our teeth on edge so that we'll do anything to make it stop. However, if it isn't ours, then there's nothing we can actually do to make it stop. And if the parents ignore it and it's in public, then one either has to leave or stay and do what one was doing while one's teeth are on edge because one's brain is yelling at them to make the annoying sound stop.

    So it seems like for at least some people that being set on edge by the crying then gets applied to the acts that relieve/temporarily stop the crying, such as feeding the kid, so it becomes more than it is due to not having an acceptable valve for getting rid of the stress of being around strange babies and then becomes something at the cultural level due to mutation and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    I believe being uncomfortable about breastfeeding mostly stems from being uncomfortable around very small children because they're annoying, socially awkward, and a danger to themselves and a major distraction to others.
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    I mean, the sound of a child, especially a baby-infant-thing, crying is designed to set our teeth on edge so that we'll do anything to make it stop. However, if it isn't ours, then there's nothing we can actually do to make it stop. And if the parents ignore it and it's in public, then one either has to leave or stay and do what one was doing while one's teeth are on edge because one's brain is yelling at them to make the annoying sound stop.

    So it seems like for at least some people that being set on edge by the crying then gets applied to the acts that relieve/temporarily stop the crying, such as feeding the kid, so it becomes more than it is due to not having an acceptable valve for getting rid of the stress of being around strange babies and then becomes something at the cultural level due to mutation and such.
    Interesting idea, but I disagree. The exposed breasts in public is the entire problem; that by itself is a social taboo that almost never gets broken in any other situation, and a lot of people get weirded out by it even then.
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    Humans are weird, you know that?

    Breast: A differentiated body part of females acceptable (if racy) to show as long as the nipple is covered.

    Nipple: An undifferentiated body part which is only unacceptable to show if a breast is involved.

    Breastfeeding: A process which by its very nature has the nipple covered, which is considered unacceptable by some because nipples are involved. Despite social stigma, intended to prevent infants from starving to death.

    Am I missing any salient points here? Because I feel like I'm taking all the crazy pills. And it doesn't help that I just watched a movie which seems to be a dramatization of several real life discussions I've had about my age, and which may (on checking who wrote it and where he lived) have been inspired by such a discussion in a prior incarnation.

    I guess I'm saying that my grasp on reality is kind of tenuous at the moment and I have a low tolerance for human nonsense right now.
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    Humans are weird, you know that?
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    I dunno, when culture unanimously dictates something it just is? If you're missing the sight of nipples just stare at the ones on dudes. :P (which incidentally babies can also suckle from)
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    Quote Originally Posted by golentan View Post
    Humans are weird, you know that?

    Breast: A differentiated body part of females acceptable (if racy) to show as long as the nipple is covered.

    Nipple: An undifferentiated body part which is only unacceptable to show if a breast is involved.

    Breastfeeding: A process which by its very nature has the nipple covered, which is considered unacceptable by some because nipples are involved. Despite social stigma, intended to prevent infants from starving to death.

    Am I missing any salient points here? Because I feel like I'm taking all the crazy pills. And it doesn't help that I just watched a movie which seems to be a dramatization of several real life discussions I've had about my age, and which may (on checking who wrote it and where he lived) have been inspired by such a discussion in a prior incarnation.

    I guess I'm saying that my grasp on reality is kind of tenuous at the moment and I have a low tolerance for human nonsense right now.
    This. I always found it strange that showing a breast without the nipple is mildly appropriate, but as soon as you show that little tiny of flesh WHOO BOY, THIS IS ADULT CONTENT NOW.I think the reason breasts are considered sexual is because girls have them and boys don't. And showing any difference in genders at all is inherently sexual? God, I don't know. BUt I do agree with Coidzor, in that I find breastfeeding uncomfortable to be around because of the baby, not the breast (that doesn't mean people shouldn't do it, I just personally find it weird).
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    Kender, how do you like breasts?

    I was breastfed. And dropped on my head as a baby. (Well I dropped myself on my head because it turns out cribs are meant for children who cannot climb before they can walk. I was precocious.) And most of my smart friends have one or both of those in common with me.
    Therefore all babies should be dropped on their heads and breastfed!

    More seriously, breastfeeding is the only good way to go. It's what evolved to feed babies. Therefore, it's the best thing to feed babies. Not that artificial crap they sell in supermarkets. And it's not like breastfeeding is publicly indecent. Nipples are PG-13 these days. So it's kind of whatever.
    Um, well, I wouldn't get rid of my own? I find them to be a very attractive shape on women, although my own body issues mean I feel unhappy sometimes to see them in all their glory. I don't think they're inherently indecent. And I think breastfeeding is fantastically awesome and I have huge respect for everyone who gives a good try of it, and especially for people who continue breastfeeding for the recommended two years.

    I was breastfed but not dropped on my head! I have my doubts about the beneficial effects of head trauma!

    And yes, formula doesn't hold a candle to breastmilk. It's good that we have formula, and it's good that it's getting better and better, but it's never going to be as good as breastmilk until we get biological nanotech going really well. Because if a breastfeeding dyad (mammy and baby) are out and about and they are exposed to germs, the mammy's body makes antibodies really really quickly and puts them in the breastmilk first, so the baby's immune system gets a targeted boost against that particular infection. Even if we made formula with the perfect breastmilk balance of nutrients, we can't make it magically protect against the exact germs the baby is being exposed to right now.


    Also, I do agree with Coidzer that our culture means that adults are often uncomfortable around babies. (This is why we should have mixed age groups at basically everything, so adults are used to children and children can learn from a big group of older children and adults.) However, there's a much bigger backlash against breastfeeding than, say, parents with little babies bottlefeeding in public. Which suggests that the breastfeeding discomfort is to do with the mother's breasts rather than the presence of the baby at all. We're taught that breasts are for sex, and we don't see them being used for babies, so even though we know intellectually (well, most of us) that breasts are used for baby milk, some people get squicked out about it and insist that it's indecent.

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    Gods, I hate getting ticked off at stuff which are not allowed to discuss here (for good reasons, but still). ._.

    I'll just say that I thought Natalie's blog was a safe zone, but clearly, it isn't. I'm fed up with trolling, on Internet and IRL, and excusing hateful rhetorics with "it's ironic!"

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