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2012-03-21, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
Hi. I was just wondering if my understanding of the rules is right.
Am I right you can use bracers of armor and at the same time get the enchantment bonus from any worn armor? For instance, am I right that a character with Bracers of armor +8 and a +3 studded leather armor would have an AC of 21 (+8 armor, +3 enchantment)?
This seems like of weird, practically allowing everyone to wear fullplate.
For instance, playing a mage I would get bracers of armor +8 and a +5 twilight mithral chainshirt. I hope this is not right, but I think it is :/
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2012-03-21, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
Bracers of armor do not stack with regular armor.
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2012-03-21, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
I know that it doesn't stack with the armor's armor bonus, but enchantment bonus is not armor bonus as far as I understand.
As you can see from my calculation I am not arguing that a +3 studded leather armor should grant +6 bonus, but +3 if worn at the same time as bracers of armor +8.
Is this interpretation still wrong, and if so, what is the source? I really want this to be wrong :)
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2012-03-21, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
+3 studded leather armor does not have a +3 enhancement bonus and a +3 armor bonus. The enhancement bonus improves the armors armor bonus, it is not a separate bonus. +3 studded leather is a +6 armor bonus.
Armor bonus don't stack. If you wore Bracers of Armor +8 and +3 studded leather, you would only get the +8 armor bonus from the bracers.Last edited by Jeraa; 2012-03-21 at 02:04 PM.
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2012-03-21, 02:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
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2012-03-21, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
PHB page 308: "An enhancement bonus represents an increase in the sturdiness and/or effectiveness of armor or natural armor, or the effectiveness of a weapon, or a general bonus to an ability score. Multiple enhancement bonuses on the same object (in the case of armor and weapons), creature (in the case of natural armor), or ability score do not stack. Only the highest enhancement bonus applies. Since enhancement bonuses to armor or natural armor effectively increase the armor or natural armor's bonus to AC, they don't apply against touch attacks."
The enhancement bonus (which goes up to +5) is added to the armor bonus of the armor, then the whole thing is added to armor class. DMG page 216 only clarifies that the enhancement bonus to armor stacks with the enhancement bonus to shield since they're not actually enhancement bonuses to AC, they're enhancement bonuses to another bonus.ze/zir | she/her
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2012-03-21, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
The enhancement bonus is not applied to your armor class. Its applied to the armors armor bonus. It improved the armor bonus granted by armor.
Look at any creature with magical armor in the Monster Manuals. They'll have a single number added to their ACs from their magical armor, not two seperate bonuses. Like the Hound Archon hero, with +3 full plate. It improves his AC by +11, not +8 and +3.
This question was already answered in the FAQ:
I have a bard in my game who has a bit of money to spend. She buys a set of bracers of armor +3 and a suit of +3 leather armor. If the bard wears both at the same time, the armor bonus from the bracers (+3) overrides the armor bonus from the leather armor (+1). Our question is, does the +3 enhancement bonus from the armor still get applied for a total of +6, is it subsumed by the magic of the bracers, or is it just ignored completely? Since the enhancement bonus and armor bonus are different types of bonuses, the bard thinks her total Armor Class bonus should be +6.
The magic leather armor’s +3 enhancement bonus applies to make the armor’s armor bonus bigger (+4 in this case). The example character uses only the larger armor bonus (+4) when wearing both the armor and the bracers.
The overlapping +3 bonus from the bracers is still there, however. (It is just irrelevant most of the time.) If something bypasses the +4 bonus from the magic armor, the bracers might still prove effective. For example, an incorporeal touch attack bypasses the whole armor bonus from the magic armor. Since the bracers provide a force effect, they protect the bard against the incorporeal touch attack. The example character still has a +3 armor bonus against the incorporeal touch attack.Last edited by Jeraa; 2012-03-21 at 02:15 PM.
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2012-03-21, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
Hmm... ok. I am not sure I would weight the second statement heavier than the first one though, since as far as i can read the latter could be written to explain why it doesn't protect against incorporeal, just like magic weapons are not ghost touch automatically (like the first can be seen as explaining shield/armor interaction).
If this is an established truth though, I will be more than happy to live by that :)
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2012-03-21, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
Agree with the above comments... however... if you want to wear a suit of magical armor in addition to the bracers, you won't get the AC bonus, but you could get any additional properties (say, fortification or the like) from that armor despite not getting an AC boost.
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2012-03-21, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
Even if they did, Bracers of Armor are crazy expensive! 64,000 gold for the +8 version. That's slightly more than +7 Mithril Full Plate. If you add +5 armor on top of that, you are looking at dropping almost 100k on AC, which is a lot for rather little.
Now, you could wear +8 Bracers of Armor and get a CL 20 Magic Vestments and get the same effect, but legally.
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2012-03-21, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
True, you do get the special abilities from both. At least you do in 3.0/3.5. IF you are using Pathfinder, you don't. You only get the special abilities from either the bracers of armor or magical armor, whichever grants the highest armor bonus. The other one doesn't function at all in Pathfinder.
Now, you could wear +8 Bracers of Armor and get a CL 20 Magic Vestments and get the same effect, but legally.
Enhancement Bonus
An enhancement bonus represents an increase in the sturdiness and/or effectiveness of armor or natural armor, or the effectiveness of a weapon, or a general bonus to an ability score.Last edited by Jeraa; 2012-03-21 at 02:53 PM.
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2012-03-21, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: Bracers of armor +8 and enchanted armor
Yet another reason for me to pretend Pathfinder doesn't exist.