Magic: The Gathering XIII: What A Horrible Night To Have An Enchantment- Curse

[Hawkflight]

So, I hear this is the place to go for advice on Magic decks?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goblin-deck-7437727/

I'd like some advice on my deck. It used to be a RG Sligh deck with burn, but it somehow turned into a straight-up Goblin deck. The cards in the Maybeboard are all the ones I took out since the deck's original creation.

[Penguinizer]

The bouncelands are generally not recommended as they both put you behind tempo-wise and have a chance of going horrifically wrong if they get removed or bounced. I'd probably go to 21 lands as well.

Browbeat and Brute Force are rather underwhelming. I'd play Magma Jet and another solid burn spell like Rift Bolt, Chain Lightning, Incinerate or something along those lines.

Your creature choices seem fine. I'm not a huge spikeshot elder fan but it's solid. Since you're not limited to standard I'd also add Goblin King since you want to have as many lords as possible in tribal decks. There are also a lot of really strong goblin creatures that are a bit more expensive if you have the budget (like Goblin Piledriver, Goblin Guide and the like).

[Hawkflight]

I forgot to mention: I'm extremely limited budget-wise. This is why I chose Goblins and burn, they're cheap.

[MammonAzrael]

Is it strictly for casual play, or do you have a format you're aiming for?

[Penguinizer]

Ok, in that case I'd try for something along the lines of:

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Lands:
21x Mountain

Creatures:
4x Goblin King
4x Mogg War Marshal
4x Goblin Chieftain
4x Goblin Bushwhacker
4x Spikeshot Elder
4x Goblin Wardriver

Instants:
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Incinerate

Sorcery:
4x Goblin Grenade
3x Rift Bolt

Explanations for choices:
Lands: You weren't really using the green for anything and I'm not a fan of Kessig Wolfrun in a deck that doesn't ramp up a lot. Barbarian Ring would be fantastic if you can get some of them. It's fairly inexpensive, has barely any drawbacks and can function as an additonal shock in a pinch.

Creatures:
Goblin King is just a great lord and worth having in a goblin deck. I'm not a huge fan of Mogg Fanatic since they nerfed his combat tricks and you already have enough one-drops to not miss him. If you happen to need more one-drops you could consider Tattermunge Maniac. You could also consider Gem-Palm Incinerator. 2 versions of Siege-gang Commander is also something I think is a good idea.

Spells:
Rift Bolt, Incinerate, Lightning Bolt and Goblin Grenade are all good burn spells without being too expensive.

[Lord Seth]

Your creature choices seem fine. I'm not a huge spikeshot elder fan but it's solid. Since you're not limited to standard I'd also add Goblin King since you want to have as many lords as possible in tribal decks. There are also a lot of really strong goblin creatures that are a bit more expensive if you have the budget (like Goblin Piledriver, Goblin Guide and the like).

Goblin Guide's price has dropped a bit after they started giving them out as promos for Grand Prix tournaments. Though I'm not sure how well it goes in a Goblin deck, considering I never see it used in competitive Goblin decks (they're a staple of Red Deck Wins though).

[Mystic Muse]

Dude... That... is... an awesome purchase. 17 cards you didn't order? And as good as those?
If they truly were throw-ins, I will be jealous of you until the day I die. Which I don't intend to do (again).

I'm going to ask the seller if they truly meant to send those, because as somebody pointed out, he may have gotten another order mixed up with mine and sent me the wrong thing.

[Fable Wright]

I recently put together a new EDH deck, and was wondering if anyone had any advice for it.

Doran, the Siege Tower

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Commander: Doran the Siege Tower

Mana base:
Replayable with Crucible of Worlds:
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Marsh Flats
1 Grasslands
1 Strip Mine
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gargoyle Castle
Other:
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Gavony Township
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Temple of the False God
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Sunpetal Grove
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Command Tower
4 Plains
4 Forests
3 Swamps

Acceleration:
1 Sol Ring
1 Coalition Relic
1 Land Tax
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Primeval Titan

Single-Target Removal
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Mortify
1 Putrefy
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Vindicate

Mass Destruction:
1 Day of Judement
1 Wrath of God
1 Damnation
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Armageddon
1 Catastrophe
1 Crime//Punishment

Tutors:
(Primeval Titan)
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Liliana Vess
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Stonehewer Giant
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Fauna Shaman

Card Draw:
1 Sylvan Library
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Graveborn Muse
1 Harmonize

Equipment Package:
1 Slagwurm Armor
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Whispersilk Cloak
1 Behemoth Sledge
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Batterskull
1 Armadillo Cloak

Recursion:
(Crime//Punishment)
(Volrath's Stronghold)
1 Life From the Loam
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Deadwood Treefolk
1 Sun Titan
1 Eternal Witness
1 Debtor's Knell
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One

Dedicated Bombs:
(Sheoldred)
(Batterskull)
(Primeval Titan)
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Grave Titan
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
1 Indomitable Ancients
1 Lord of Extinction

Odds and Ends:
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Viscera Seer
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Dauthi Embrace

I'd like to make room for Cataclysm, though I don't know what to cut; also, any advice on cards that should be in here would be appreciated, as would suggestions for lands with awesome effects.

[Mystic Muse]

Just checked. The seller intentionally included those 17.

[MammonAzrael]

Just checked. The seller intentionally included those 17.

Congrats. That's freakin' sweet!

...who is this that's giving away Day of Judgments?

[tgva8889]

Just did a draft today. Was undefeated in matches with a R/W Aggro deck. I spent quite a bit of time talking about how my deck was not quite as good as I wanted, but considering I won I guess it was a lot better than I thought. I just forced aggression through the entire time, eventually pulling out kills with Nightbird's Clutches and Traitorous Bloods for massive extra damage. Pyreheart Wolf gave me tons of damage, and in combination with the above two cards and a couple other ways to prevent blockers, the Wolf allowed a ton of extra damage.

[IthilanorStPete]

Just did a draft today. Was undefeated in matches with a R/W Aggro deck. I spent quite a bit of time talking about how my deck was not quite as good as I wanted, but considering I won I guess it was a lot better than I thought. I just forced aggression through the entire time, eventually pulling out kills with Nightbird's Clutches and Traitorous Bloods for massive extra damage. Pyreheart Wolf gave me tons of damage, and in combination with the above two cards and a couple other ways to prevent blockers, the Wolf allowed a ton of extra damage.

Wow, someone actually won in draft with RW? I'm impressed. Pyreheart Wolf certainly would help out, though, that card's great.

[tgva8889]

I had a lot of creatures, a low curve, and lots of ways to get in for extra damage. I had a Nibilis of the Mist, a Crossway Vampire, Nightbird's Clutches, and Pyreheart Wolf. Traitorous Blood was also a lot of extra damage. I had I think 5 2-drops and 6 3-drops, with a Charmbreaker Devils and a Rage Thrower at 6 and Juggernaut, Skirsdag Cultist, and Mausoleum Guard at 4. I also had Burning Oil, which is really the best (and probably only good) reason to be in RW in DII. I also had two Traveler's Amulets for my Garruk Relentless splash, which came up a few times.

The deck ended up being a nice aggressive deck. I was just constantly applying pressure and beating my opponents down. I could get them low enough and keep them from really stabilizing with cards that prevented blocking and just adding more creatures to the board. I had enough cards that became must-answer threats that eventually I could have the ability to just out of nowhere attack for 10 and put them dead on board.

Most of the reason I said "Well this deck was awful" after the draft was that I was R/W. It was not where I wanted to be at all. But it turns out aggressive R/W does work.

[IthilanorStPete]

I had a lot of creatures, a low curve, and lots of ways to get in for extra damage. I had a Nibilis of the Mist, a Crossway Vampire, Nightbird's Clutches, and Pyreheart Wolf. Traitorous Blood was also a lot of extra damage. I had I think 5 2-drops and 6 3-drops, with a Charmbreaker Devils and a Rage Thrower at 6 and Juggernaut, Skirsdag Cultist, and Mausoleum Guard at 4. I also had Burning Oil, which is really the best (and probably only good) reason to be in RW in DII. I also had two Traveler's Amulets for my Garruk Relentless splash, which came up a few times.

The deck ended up being a nice aggressive deck. I was just constantly applying pressure and beating my opponents down. I could get them low enough and keep them from really stabilizing with cards that prevented blocking and just adding more creatures to the board. I had enough cards that became must-answer threats that eventually I could have the ability to just out of nowhere attack for 10 and put them dead on board.

Most of the reason I said "Well this deck was awful" after the draft was that I was R/W. It was not where I wanted to be at all. But it turns out aggressive R/W does work.

Gotcha. I can definitely see how that would do well.

[Ninjaman]

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Lands: 22
12xSwamp
2xGhost quarter
4xDarkslick shores
4xDrowned catacomb

Creatures:24
4xGravecrawler
4xDiregraf ghoul
4xPhantasmal image
4xDiregraf captain
2xCemetery reaper
4xGeralf's messenger

Sorceries:4
2xMoan of the unhallowed
2xGhoulcaller's chant

Instants:8
4xGo for the throat
4xTragic slip

Artifacts:2
2xMortarpod

That is 58

Sideboard:15
4xDoom blade
3xSever the bloodline
4xNihil Spellbomb
4xGeth's Verdict

I got 2 slots left, what shall i run?

Royal assassin
Evil twin
Skinrender

[Mystic Muse]

2 Phyrexian Obliterators is a bit expensive, y-

*Sees 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Gravecrawlers, and 4 Phantasmal images*

What were you saying about expensive?

[Fable Wright]

2 Phyrexian Obliterators is a bit expensive, y-

*Sees 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Gravecrawlers, and 4 Phantasmal images*

What were you saying about expensive?

If you got them when they came out, they were all fairly cheap. (GC was $5, Images $2 and then $10, Darkslick Shores like $5-10)

[Bucky]

Format: You should try it. Those with salvation accounts should critique it there.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=409616

They're using best-of-3 selection for drawn cards. With generated cards, I strongly prefer middle-of-3 selection: generate 3 cards, the opponent vetoes one (it never exists) and the drawing player chooses of the remaining two to put in his hand. That way, a much larger proportion of the cards are close to fair.

I also strongly recommend errata-ing 'library' to 'non-creature permanent' except where it causes cards to enter and/or leave the library - although something like "return target library to its owner's hand" may be well-formed, the game's better off excluding such cards.

[Mystic Muse]

If you got them when they came out, they were all fairly cheap. (GC was $5, Images $2 and then $10, Darkslick Shores like $5-10)

True. If you got them right now though...eesh.

[Ninjaman]

2 Phyrexian Obliterators is a bit expensive, y-

*Sees 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Gravecrawlers, and 4 Phantasmal images*

What were you saying about expensive?

Yep, but only the darkslick shores rotate out of standard in half a year.

Also which cards do you guys think i should put in instead.

[flabort]

Just checked. The seller intentionally included those 17.

You have my eternal jealousy.

Just did a draft today. Was undefeated in matches with a R/W Aggro deck. I spent quite a bit of time talking about how my deck was not quite as good as I wanted, but considering I won I guess it was a lot better than I thought. I just forced aggression through the entire time, eventually pulling out kills with Nightbird's Clutches and Traitorous Bloods for massive extra damage. Pyreheart Wolf gave me tons of damage, and in combination with the above two cards and a couple other ways to prevent blockers, the Wolf allowed a ton of extra damage.

Sweet. See any B/G decks there? No?
Well, I wish I could go draft again. Possibly see if I could find any playgrounders. But so far, only drafted once. And still can't find any local playgrounders. Oh, well. I guess the local drafts being on my school day are a fact of life.
That sounds like a wicked nice draft, though. Congrats on the win. (Does your store do prize packs? )

[tgva8889]

Sweet. See any B/G decks there? No?
Well, I wish I could go draft again. Possibly see if I could find any playgrounders. But so far, only drafted once. And still can't find any local playgrounders. Oh, well. I guess the local drafts being on my school day are a fact of life.
That sounds like a wicked nice draft, though. Congrats on the win. (Does your store do prize packs? )

It wasn't at a store, I had some winnings from the Dark Ascension prerelease and the remains of an Innistrad Box I had purchased earlier, so I decided to draft them with friends and play some Magic. I'm a huge limited fan. I did open a Snapcaster, a Geist, and a Garruk, though, so it was alright.

Someone did draft a G/B Morbid deck. Not sure how good it was, but he had some good starts against me. Skeletal Grimace on a Typhoid Rats is pretty good against my low-removal deck. I did beat him, though he had a pretty good start against me with turn 1 Young Wolf, turn 2 block and then Howl of the Huntpack it to make it a 5/5. But he stopped drawing lands and I was able to get my Burden of Guilt.

[Duos]

I was fairly happy with the deck that I pulled together. Even though I lost to Tgva, our match really could have gone either way. Double Increasing Confusion and a host of other mill goodies and dudes with fat butts made my deck extremely good at stalling out for the mill. Except vs Garruk, he just craps card advantage all over the board.

[Mystic Muse]

Where does one go to check the current metagame for the various formats?

[Fable Wright]

Where does one go to check the current metagame for the various formats?

Your local store. Seriously- unless you try to go to a PTQ or an Open Series, the only way to know the metagame is to play in local tournaments. For example, at my local game shop, I play against a lot of green builds and a few token decks in Standard, and the gamut of decks in Legacy. (Seriously, no two people played the same deck.) Otherwise. here.

[Lord Seth]

Your local store. Seriously- unless you try to go to a PTQ or an Invitational, the only way to know the metagame is to play in local tournaments.

Invitational? How would you go to an Invitational without having at least a decent grasp on the Metagame? Did you mean to say Grand Prix?

For example, at my local game shop, I play against a lot of green builds and a few token decks in Standard, and the gamut of decks in Legacy. (Seriously, no two people played the same deck.) Otherwise. here.

I've found this site to be a bit good also. And while it only applies to Modern and leaves a few deck types out, these two articles have some interesting information about Modern.

[tgva8889]

The full spoiler is out! Have fun looking at the cards!

[dgnslyr]

I've recently started playing Magic, and I was wondering, what are some blue or black cards that can destroy permanents, artifacts inclusive? A friend of mine has a Trepanation Blade and Runechanter's Pike in his deck, both of which I find pretty terrifying, and besides Cancel and Negate, there's not much I can do once they hit the field. While I know the rules, I'm pretty unfamiliar with the game, and I haven't been exposed to enough cards to know what would match that description in those colors.

[AgentPaper]

I've recently started playing Magic, and I was wondering, what are some blue or black cards that can destroy permanents, artifacts inclusive? A friend of mine has a Trepanation Blade and Runechanter's Pike in his deck, both of which I find pretty terrifying, and besides Cancel and Negate, there's not much I can do once they hit the field. While I know the rules, I'm pretty unfamiliar with the game, and I haven't been exposed to enough cards to know what would match that description in those colors.

The answer is that there aren't any. You'll want to either counter the offending permanent as it's cast (blue) or just kill everything that picks up the weapon (black). If you wait until after he attacks to kill the thing, then he can't re-equip and attack with it until next turn.

Also, I wouldn't worry about Trepanation blade, ever. It's a really bad card. Pike on the other hand can be pretty scary in the right deck.

[Cogwheel]

I've recently started playing Magic, and I was wondering, what are some blue or black cards that can destroy permanents, artifacts inclusive? A friend of mine has a Trepanation Blade and Runechanter's Pike in his deck, both of which I find pretty terrifying, and besides Cancel and Negate, there's not much I can do once they hit the field. While I know the rules, I'm pretty unfamiliar with the game, and I haven't been exposed to enough cards to know what would match that description in those colors.

Destroy the creature they're attached to, or use bounce (cards like Unsummon, Vapor Snag and Unsummon that send things back to their owner's hand). Past that, you're out of luck, as far as I know. Blue and black don't really do artifact destruction, and straight-up permanent destruction is... I can't think of a colour that really fits into, since I'm tired and only Vindicate (white-black) comes to mind.