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2012-04-23, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-23, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerTrue, but they've made specialized clothing in real life that isn't consumed by fire, but we have huge issues getting any sort of forest fire under control (just look at the news any given summer in the US). Also clothing on fire != total environmental control, at least in my head. Just neat parlor tricks. Again, just my interpretation of it.
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2012-04-27, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-27, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-28, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-28, 12:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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A Japanese word that means boy, but is often used to describe fictional series (particularly manga) made for said demographic. So stuff like Dragonball Z, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Hikaru no Go, Toriko, Eyeshield 21, Death Note, Super Sentai, etc. It's most associated with action/fighting series (as you'll see by how many were in the list I made), but isn't limited to them.
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2012-04-28, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Here we go again. . . .
Japanese shows imported and played in the US aren't going to make a strong argument here, for a variety of reasons.
Japanese anime and manga (cartoons and comics, if it must be explained), geared towards young boys, generally in their tweens and early teens.
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2012-04-29, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you (both).
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2012-04-29, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-08, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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....yes. It's also a very gameable system since apparently, any entry just stays in from year to year...until after the teen years, when they just go away. I would expect to see heavy use of the system by people in their last year...stocking wealth for the transition to adulthood. Minimal risk at that point, and the districts appear to be decently large. Taking an extra risk to get ahead is something at least some people would do...and as more people do it, the risk ends up being no greater.
I also had a lot of trouble with the apparent need for a victor, given that they had JUST released a giant swarm of dogs on them which could have easily killed them all. Those two elements do not work together.
Then, you have people like me. Id likely no longer be eligible for such a system on account of age...but if I was, I'd volunteer every year. Why? Survival/combat falls smack into my skill set. I have better odds than the average person. If you have willing volunteers, the whole system falls apart, and frankly, teens engage in all manner of risky behavior.
I also rather hated the ridiculous fashion...the whole "it's the future, so everything is weird" thing is just terrible. You can portray wealth/disconnected cultures without spraying pink over everyone.
Also, it felt a bit contrived that Katniss ended up having to fight so little, and in such morally contrived ways. Everyone going to sleep at once? Really? This is your group that has trained their entire lives for this?
As an archer, I also would have appreciated if they tried to make the bow/arrows look less obviously a terrible prop, and like an actual weapon.
It was...an acceptable movie, I suppose. I was not overly thrilled by it. Kind of predictable.
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2012-05-08, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've always wondered what happens if a district selects it's tribute ahead of time , since you can volunteer and bypass the whole drawing system, then everybody just puts their names in a thousand times.
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2012-05-08, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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They might just invalidate the proceedings. That seems like the sort of thing the Capitol would only allow their 'pet' districts to get away with, anyone else obviously gaming the system that way would be punished.
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2012-05-08, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Problem with gaming the system is that you have to convince everyone to game the system, and if you did something like that they might just remove that option all together which would be worse for the districts when all is said and done.
And there are plenty of kids who volunteer, doesn't mean their families don't mourn when they die.
As for Katniss, I agree they should have swung at least one more ambiguous moral choice at her. (Say having the district 11 guy make it to the end instead of the district 2 one.) However the fact that she wouldn't be killing every one in the arena singlehandedly makes a good deal of sense. Hell, according to the trainers more of them should have died without anyone having to swing the blow at all.Avatar Credit: the very talented PseudoStraw. Full image:Spoiler
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2012-05-08, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh yeah, another thing that irked me is that they were specifically told that more people die of disease and stuff than of combat. Yet, in the actual games, we see that combat is pretty obviously the way people die.
I also disliked the way that the well trained district was so overtly populated by bad guys. I would have liked that to at least be somewhat subtle...but no, they had to rub in the "they're bad people, and thus, ok to kill" relentlessly.
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2012-05-08, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Barely enough goods for one person to survive for a year is wealth now?
Then, you have people like me. Id likely no longer be eligible for such a system on account of age...but if I was, I'd volunteer every year. Why? Survival/combat falls smack into my skill set. I have better odds than the average person. If you have willing volunteers, the whole system falls apart, and frankly, teens engage in all manner of risky behavior.Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-05-08, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's clear from the movie that both of the following are true:
A. You can enter the system more times to get additional food/other stuff.
B. There is a market for food.
So, it's trivial to turn risk of being picked into money.
Not really, whether they volunteer or not, the capital gets it's pound of flesh. The Career tributes have posed no threat to the games so far.
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2012-05-08, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just enough money to buy just enough food for one person to survive for a year. Which if you need it to survive, doesn't help you, since you needed the food anyway, and if you don't, means you have to increase your chance of being entered into a competition in which 23 out of the 24 participants don't survive for that little bit of wealth. Some will take it for the bit of extra comfort, others won't, not a big deal either way.
That's irrelevant. If you have a supply of volunteers, then the downside of having your name entered more times is no longer a downside. People have no reason NOT to take option A above.Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-05-08, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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I believe that, in districts of any decent size, you will get volunteers for the exact same reasons you get volunteers for the military. Since the number taken annually is so low, you can basically assume that someone's gonna take it.
And even if they don't, if the habit of signing up extra for more food is popular...it's the same number of people taken in total. So, you all might as well. The risk comes out the same in the end.
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2012-05-08, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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...What? Do you really think we'd have people volunteering for the military if it had a 95% mortality rate (outside of the context of a war in which you'd die/be enslaved if your nation lost)? Especially volunteers from children.
And even if they don't, if the habit of signing up extra for more food is popular...it's the same number of people taken in total. So, you all might as well. The risk comes out the same in the end.Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-05-09, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not only that but the number of times you get your name put in gets added on to the previous years ammount. So if it was your first year and you had a family of 5, you could put in your name six times to feed your family. If the following year you didn't need to feed your family, you'd be in a minimum of 7 times due to the cumulative effect. They didn't touch on this in much depth in the movie, but in the book, Gale at 16 (17? didn't care for him so didn't keep track) had his name in 42 times due to how many times he had to put in his name in order to get enough food to feed his family.
On the topic of size of the districts, its thought that the larger districts have at most ~10,000 and the smaller/poorer ones, have much fewer people in them. The total human population is small enought that:
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SpoilerIt becomes a concern that as the war between the Rebels, lead by district 13, and the Capitol rages on that there will even be enough people left alive in the end for a sustainable population of humans
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2012-05-09, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, you can volunteer for the military right now at 17. People do. Plenty of younger folks can't wait to do so. And these soldiers have volunteered for missions labeled as suicidal, in which there is no reasonable chance of coming out alive. So....history says yes.
Wrong, every tessera you take increases your chances, regardless of whether or not others take any. Doesn't matter if there's 100 names in there or 1000, your chances of being picked are lower if your name's only in there once rather than say, twice. This is why Katniss doesn't allow Prim to take any.
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2012-05-10, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Are those missions fights to death for random people's enjoyment that will accomplish little to nothing of value, while leaving your family worse off to support itself when you are gone?
Yeah, but the difference between "everyone's name is in once" and "everyone's name is in 100 times" does not exist. So, you would expect inflation.Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-05-10, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've already said that I, personally, would volunteer. It's for the same basic reason as military service. Keeping the people you grew up with safe. I've always been healthy, fit, and grew up in the woods. Better I go than someone who has no chance whatsoever.
But the difference between "everyone's name entered 100 times" and "everyone's name but mine entered 100 times" does exist. One people who don't require a tessera would be keenly aware of, and able to use to their advantage. It should also be pointed out that names can't just be entered as many times as you would like, but up to once for each member of your family.
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2012-05-10, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-10, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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And you got those skills by not living in the districts, which makes you a poor example. In Panem, you're most likely to having useful skills by growing up in one of the districts of the Career tributes, which do have volunteers most years. If you have such skills in one of the other districts, it's likely because you needed them so that you and your family could survive (examples, Katniss and Gale), which means volunteering could actually hurt more people than you save.
The movie does not make this clear. Additionally, they make a point that the one guy has his name entered what...forty-some times? He must have quite the family.Once for each member each year.Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-05-10, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-10, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, nobody actually lives in the districts, so yeah. But if I grew up in such a place and had those skills(likely, I lived in a rural, low income area...and seriously, those are the kind of places where people learn outdoors skills), then it makes sense.
I don't get the fixation on family as opposed to other groups.
Isn't it that they roll over to the following years? So since Katniss took 3 in her first year, she had her name entered automatically 5 times the second, with no benefit unless she enters her name more times beyond that?