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    If we're doing the Class/Book/Tier/Role/Notes tables, I could go through the materials I'm familiar with tomorrow (probably Pact Magic classes, DSP srd, Arcana Evolved, Advanced Player's Manual; maybe a couple Mythic Vistas), but that's about all I can say from firsthand experience/observation (unless we're also going PF, but just seems like too much).

    @OP Do you have access to all the materials listed, or is finding someone who does going to be a part of the indexing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eggs View Post
    If we're doing the Class/Book/Tier/Role/Notes tables, I could go through the materials I'm familiar with tomorrow (probably Pact Magic classes, DSP srd, Arcana Evolved, Advanced Player's Manual; maybe a couple Mythic Vistas), but that's about all I can say from firsthand experience/observation (unless we're also going PF, but just seems like too much).

    @OP Do you have access to all the materials listed, or is finding someone who does going to be a part of the indexing?
    I have access to them all with the exception of the Sovereign Stone Campaign Setting, which I believe contains about 6 base classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suddo View Post
    My little contribution.

    I personally would be fine with just Name|Book|Approximate Tier|Approximate Role|Any note on why they are in the tier, what type of system they use (Psionic, Arcane, Divine...).
    I personally will only care about things that are Tier 4 and higher and will read over everything I would allow before allowing it, as the DM, so just a quick Tier number would be good enough.
    Would you mind removing the quote tags from the new list? If you quote a post with a quote in it, the quotes in the post aren't shown, to avoid a tunnel of quotes, meaning that people can't add on to your new, modified table, so they'd need to add them on manually.
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    Okay.
    Here's what I have at hand (except Testament, but I'm burning out).

    I'm ignoring Paragon classes because they work more like Prestige classes, and rarely have any meaningfully distinguishing characteristics. If anyone feels they should be included, feel free to toss them in.

    I included a couple class variants that have huge alterations of play performance (Psychic Ranger, Psionic Soul Weaver, maybe something else) and that have different names (which might *sound* like big changes, until they're examined.
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    {table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
    Devoted Psion |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psion ACF - Specialist
    Enlightened Monk |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee |Monk ACF; doesn't change much
    Formbound Spiritist |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Summoning Focus)
    Formbound Surger |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Animal Companion+Wild Surge)
    Halo Knight |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee (Buffer) |Kensai as a base class with minor numeric buffs
    Marksman |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Archery) |
    Psychic Ranger |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Skills) |Very low optimization floor
    Society Mind |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Primarily buff/debuffs
    Thoughtsinger |DSP-SRD |3 |Buffer |Psionic Bard
    Worldthought Medic |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Focused buffing
    Augur |DSP-SRD |3 |Caster (NPC) |Slow-progress manifesting
    Eldritch Weaver |Advanced Players Manual|2 |Caster |Alternate Wizard; lacks splat support
    Evangelist |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Buffer |Divine Bard-type
    Scout |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Alter Self: the base class
    Spellmaster |Advanced Players Manual|1 |Caster |Blue Mage; skill-based casting
    Thanemage |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Gish |SotAO-type
    Warpriest |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Gish (Divine) |Nerfed melee Cleric
    Psychic |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Fighter-style class design for APM's alternate psionic system
    Akashic |Arcana Evolved |5 |Skillmonkey |Knowledge Emphasis
    Champion |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |
    Greenbound |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Healing Focus
    Mage Blade |Arcana Evolved |3 |Gish |Bog-standard gish
    Magister |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Wizard analog; limited spell list
    Oathsworn |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Monk analog; ritual progression, but too late
    Ritual Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |ToB-type with more limited options
    Runethane |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Bog-standard AE caster, but with traps
    Totem Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |Animal Lord as a base class
    Unfettered |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Another crappy Swashbuckler
    Warmain |Arcana Evolved |6 |Melee |Fighter, with preselected crappy feats
    Witch |Arcana Evolved |3 |Caster |Strongly encourages gishing
    Runeblade|Experimental Might |3 |Melee |More of a Summoner in practice
    Empyrean Monk |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Monk/Binder-type
    Foe Hunter |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Skillmonkey |Ranger/Assassin/Binder-type
    Occult Priest |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Divine Crusader/Binder-type
    Pact Warrior |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Slow bind progression
    Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |1 |Caster |Wizard/Binder; turns spells into Su abilities
    Psionic Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Psion/Binder; limited powers known
    Spirit Binder |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |ToM Binder-analog
    Unbound Witch |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Wilder/Geomancer/Binder-type
    Warbinder |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Buffer |Shares/transfers Granted abilities among allies
    Exorcist |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Caster |Beguiler-styled casting from Exorcism-themed list (w/ domains)
    Muse |Villains of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Sorcerer/Binder; severely limited spell access; lots of randomness
    Ravaged Soul |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Angsty Doctor Who fanfic: the base class
    Templar |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |SLAs make Shadowcaster look like marathon runner
    Gladiator |Eternal Rome (MV) |5 |Melee |
    Charioteer |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |
    Dedicated Warrior |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |
    Magician |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |core wizard with a hacked spell list
    Priest |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |skill-based spell failure, way too many high-level slots
    Godi |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Tweaked Cleric
    Vitki |Frost & Fur |3 |Buffer |Crummy War Weaver in a can
    Voela |Frost & Fur |3 |Caster |Good effects, LOOONG casting time; situationally spans T2 to T5
    Angakoq |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Ghostish druid
    Cossack |Frost & Fur |6 |Melee |
    Koldun |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Limited spell list, but Polymorph/Planar Binding emphases
    Volkov |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Cleric/Druid-type
    Courtier |Rokugan CS |5 |Skillmonkey |Built for Diplomancy w/ Built-in Leadership
    Ninja |Rokugan CS |5 |Melee |Sneak Attack fighter with numeric boosts (speed, init)
    Inkyo |Rokugan CS |6 |Melee |Monk, minus class abilities
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    Added the description, will put up a list that is more inclusive tomorrow. Thanks for making it eggs

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    Devoted Psion |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psion ACF - Specialist
    Enlightened Monk |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee |Monk ACF; doesn't change much
    Formbound Spiritist |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Summoning Focus)
    Formbound Surger |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Animal Companion+Wild Surge)
    Halo Knight |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee (Buffer) |Kensai as a base class with minor numeric buffs
    Marksman |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Archery) |Psionic character with archery focus
    Psychic Ranger |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Skills) |Very low optimization floor
    Society Mind |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Primarily buff/debuffs
    Thoughtsinger |DSP-SRD |3 |Buffer |Psionic Bard
    Worldthought Medic |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Focused buffing
    Augur |DSP-SRD |3 |Caster (NPC) |Slow-progress manifesting
    Eldritch Weaver |Advanced Players Manual|2 |Caster |Alternate Wizard; lacks splat support
    Evangelist |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Buffer |Divine Bard-type
    Scout |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Alter Self: the base class
    Spellmaster |Advanced Players Manual|1 |Caster |Blue Mage; skill-based casting
    Thanemage |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Gish |SotAO-type
    Warpriest |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Gish (Divine) |Nerfed melee Cleric
    Psychic |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Fighter-style class design for APM's alternate psionic system
    Akashic |Arcana Evolved |5 |Skillmonkey |Knowledge Emphasis
    Champion |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Paladin variant with ideal-dependent abilities (not always good)
    Greenbound |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Healing Focus
    Mage Blade |Arcana Evolved |3 |Gish |Bog-standard gish
    Magister |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Wizard analog; limited spell list
    Oathsworn |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Monk analog; ritual progression, but too late
    Ritual Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |ToB-type with more limited options
    Runethane |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Bog-standard AE caster, but with traps
    Totem Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |Animal Lord as a base class
    Unfettered |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Another crappy Swashbuckler
    Warmain |Arcana Evolved |6 |Melee |Fighter, with preselected crappy feats
    Witch |Arcana Evolved |3 |Caster |Strongly encourages gishing
    Runeblade|Experimental Might |3 |Melee |More of a Summoner in practice
    Empyrean Monk |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Monk/Binder-type
    Foe Hunter |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Skillmonkey |Ranger/Assassin/Binder-type
    Occult Priest |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Divine Crusader/Binder-type
    Pact Warrior |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Slow bind progression
    Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |1 |Caster |Wizard/Binder; turns spells into Su abilities
    Psionic Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Psion/Binder; limited powers known
    Spirit Binder |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |ToM Binder-analog
    Unbound Witch |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Wilder/Geomancer/Binder-type
    Warbinder |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Buffer |Shares/transfers Granted abilities among allies
    Exorcist |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Caster |Beguiler-styled casting from Exorcism-themed list (w/ domains)
    Muse |Villains of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Sorcerer/Binder; severely limited spell access; lots of randomness
    Ravaged Soul |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Angsty Doctor Who fanfic: the base class
    Templar |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |SLAs make Shadowcaster look like marathon runner
    Gladiator |Eternal Rome (MV) |5 |Melee |Another crappy fighter variant, but at least it has flavor
    Charioteer |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Crappy fighter with a chariot. If you're ridiculously creative it doesn't suck too much.
    Dedicated Warrior |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Self-buffing fighter with divine theme (no casting though).
    Magician |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |core wizard with a hacked spell list
    Priest |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |skill-based spell failure, way too many high-level slots
    Godi |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Tweaked Cleric
    Vitki |Frost & Fur |3 |Buffer |Crummy War Weaver in a can
    Voela |Frost & Fur |3 |Caster |Good effects, LOOONG casting time; situationally spans T2 to T5
    Angakoq |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Ghostish druid
    Cossack |Frost & Fur |6 |Melee |High skill fighter with horse-related abilities.
    Koldun |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Limited spell list, but Polymorph/Planar Binding emphases
    Volkov |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Cleric/Druid-type
    Courtier |Rokugan CS |5 |Skillmonkey |Built for Diplomancy w/ Built-in Leadership
    Ninja |Rokugan CS |5 |Melee |Sneak Attack fighter with numeric boosts (speed, init)
    Inkyo |Rokugan CS |6 |Melee |Monk, minus class abilities
    Levite Priest|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster|Re-flavored cleric with a nerfed spell list
    Psalmist|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster (Buffer/Healer)|Another nerfed cleric. Has some neat abilities also.
    Khery-Heb|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|Wizard with more class features, including scribing divine scrolls. Very broken.
    Magus of the Starry Host|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|SpellcasterAlternate wizard with reflavoring. A total pain to play since he has to pilgrimage to learn a significant amount of spells.
    Qedeshot|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Skill monkey/Gish|Sort of a prostitute bard with more spells. Potentially awkward to play...
    Spy|Mythic Vistas: Testament|3|Gish, Sneak|Spellcasting rogue/monk.

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    Note that there's also an Exorcist: Power Class which is, as far as I can tell, a cleric which gets slightly fewer spells but has bonus turn attempts and nifty things it can do with those turn attempts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow_archmagi View Post
    Note that there's also an Exorcist: Power Class which is, as far as I can tell, a cleric which gets slightly fewer spells but has bonus turn attempts and nifty things it can do with those turn attempts.
    The exorcist is included on the 1st page, which is the complete list. The one above still leaves out quite a bit.
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    Added in Testament. Some tiers are iffy though.
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    I browsed a couple other books to get through some more of the bigger chunks. I didn't realize how many Paladin-clones Arcanis had. A couple look kind of fun, though (Twilight Warrior especially)
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    Agent |Northern Crown |4 |Skillmonkey |Nerfed Rogue
    Natural Philosopher |Northern Crown |1 |Caster |Extraordinary casting from a decent list
    Raider |Northern Crown |4 |Melee |Barbarian-type with minor buffs, better skills
    Rake |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Swashbuckler-type; really weird save/BA progression
    Scout |Northern Crown |5 |Skillmonkey |Noncasting Ranger/Rogue with weird Combat Style feats
    Soldier |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Fighter with more limited feat selection
    Witch |Northern Crown |2 |Caster |Really good at buffing other witches.
    Holy Champion (Philosophic Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type skillmonkey
    Holy Champion (Bearer of Woe) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Fist of the Forest/Paladin-type; gains bonuses with damage received
    Holy Champion (Knight of Twelve Oaks) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Paladin-type; spell-sharing with allies
    Holy Champion (Beltinian Hospitaler) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with improved casting
    Holy Champion (Twilight Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee (Skilled)|Rogue+Shadowdancer+Paladin+Shadow Conjurations; no UMD
    Holy Champion (Sentinel of the Blazing Wyrm)|Player's Guide to Arcanis|5|Melee |Paladin-type with weak blast-oriented alterations
    Holy Champion (Storm Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with, some useful debuff/teleport effects
    Holy Champion (Harbinger of the Dawn) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Lawful Paladin, eventually with lots of smites
    Holy Champion (Fatespinner) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type; Reroll-oriented class features
    Holy Champion (Deathbringer) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Evil Paladin-type with debuffing class features
    Holy Champion (Holy Judge) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Lawful Paladin-type
    Holy Champion (Verdant Champion) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with druid spells
    Holy Champion (Tainted Keeper) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type focused on Demon hunting; gains abilities of a chosen demon
    Holy Champion (Sea Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|3 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type with a slowly-developing mini-shapechange
    Patrician |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Skillmonkey |Social skillmonkey with built-in Leadership (not factored in Tier)
    Priest |Player's Guide to Arcanis|2 |Caster |Basically a Cleric minus armor, plus minor numeric party buffs[/table]

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    I personally really like Arcanis' Paladin clones. They're relatively high powered for melee and quite flavorful. Arcanis has a couple other classes from Campaign supplements, which I put below.

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    Occisor|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|4|Gish/Skillmonkey|A rogue-esque soulknife variant that doesn't utterly suck.
    Rhi'zen|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|3|Psionics/Melee|Monk flavored Psychic Warrior.
    Swamp Lord of Pit Sseth|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|1|Spellcaster/Manifester|Weird class that can cast and manifest. Only gets up to 7th level spells........and powers.
    Mist Wanderer|Arcanis-Psionics Unbound|3|Manifester/Skillmonkey|A rogue flavored manifester with Psionic Warrior manifesting progression.
    Conflagration Knight|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee|A paladin with fire.
    Nerothian Reaper|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|3|Melee|A necromantic paladin with animating abilities.
    Sarishan Knife|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee/Sneak|An assassin class with Ranger spellcasting progression.[/table]

    Bam. Also, I'm getting Sovereign Stone in a week or so (ordered it via Amazon) which should complete the initial list of base classes.
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    Devoted Psion |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psion ACF - Specialist
    Enlightened Monk |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee |Monk ACF; doesn't change much
    Formbound Spiritist |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Summoning Focus)
    Formbound Surger |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Animal Companion+Wild Surge)
    Halo Knight |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee (Buffer) |Kensai as a base class with minor numeric buffs
    Marksman |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Archery) |Psionic character with archery focus
    Psychic Ranger |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Skills) |Very low optimization floor
    Society Mind |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Primarily buff/debuffs
    Thoughtsinger |DSP-SRD |3 |Buffer |Psionic Bard
    Worldthought Medic |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Focused buffing
    Augur |DSP-SRD |3 |Caster (NPC) |Slow-progress manifesting
    Eldritch Weaver |Advanced Players Manual|2 |Caster |Alternate Wizard; lacks splat support
    Evangelist |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Buffer |Divine Bard-type
    Scout |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Alter Self: the base class
    Spellmaster |Advanced Players Manual|1 |Caster |Blue Mage; skill-based casting
    Thanemage |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Gish |SotAO-type
    Warpriest |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Gish (Divine) |Nerfed melee Cleric
    Psychic |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Fighter-style class design for APM's alternate psionic system
    Akashic |Arcana Evolved |5 |Skillmonkey |Knowledge Emphasis
    Champion |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Paladin variant with ideal-dependent abilities (not always good)
    Greenbound |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Healing Focus
    Mage Blade |Arcana Evolved |3 |Gish |Bog-standard gish
    Magister |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Wizard analog; limited spell list
    Oathsworn |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Monk analog; ritual progression, but too late
    Ritual Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |ToB-type with more limited options
    Runethane |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Bog-standard AE caster, but with traps
    Totem Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |Animal Lord as a base class
    Unfettered |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Another crappy Swashbuckler
    Warmain |Arcana Evolved |6 |Melee |Fighter, with preselected crappy feats
    Witch |Arcana Evolved |3 |Caster |Strongly encourages gishing
    Runeblade|Experimental Might |3 |Melee |More of a Summoner in practice
    Empyrean Monk |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Monk/Binder-type
    Foe Hunter |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Skillmonkey |Ranger/Assassin/Binder-type
    Occult Priest |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Divine Crusader/Binder-type
    Pact Warrior |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Slow bind progression
    Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |1 |Caster |Wizard/Binder; turns spells into Su abilities
    Psionic Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Psion/Binder; limited powers known
    Spirit Binder |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |ToM Binder-analog
    Unbound Witch |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Wilder/Geomancer/Binder-type
    Warbinder |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Buffer |Shares/transfers Granted abilities among allies
    Exorcist |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Caster |Beguiler-styled casting from Exorcism-themed list (w/ domains)
    Muse |Villains of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Sorcerer/Binder; severely limited spell access; lots of randomness
    Ravaged Soul |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Angsty Doctor Who fanfic: the base class
    Templar |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |SLAs make Shadowcaster look like marathon runner
    Gladiator |Eternal Rome (MV) |5 |Melee |Another crappy fighter variant, but at least it has flavor
    Charioteer |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Crappy fighter with a chariot. If you're ridiculously creative it doesn't suck too much.
    Dedicated Warrior |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Self-buffing fighter with divine theme (no casting though).
    Magician |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |core wizard with a hacked spell list
    Priest |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |skill-based spell failure, way too many high-level slots
    Godi |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Tweaked Cleric
    Vitki |Frost & Fur |3 |Buffer |Crummy War Weaver in a can
    Voela |Frost & Fur |3 |Caster |Good effects, LOOONG casting time; situationally spans T2 to T5
    Angakoq |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Ghostish druid
    Cossack |Frost & Fur |6 |Melee |High skill fighter with horse-related abilities.
    Koldun |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Limited spell list, but Polymorph/Planar Binding emphases
    Volkov |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Cleric/Druid-type
    Courtier |Rokugan CS |5 |Skillmonkey |Built for Diplomancy w/ Built-in Leadership
    Ninja |Rokugan CS |5 |Melee |Sneak Attack fighter with numeric boosts (speed, init)
    Inkyo |Rokugan CS |6 |Melee |Monk, minus class abilities
    Levite Priest|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster|Re-flavored cleric with a nerfed spell list
    Psalmist|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster (Buffer/Healer)|Another nerfed cleric. Has some neat abilities also.
    Khery-Heb|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|Wizard with more class features, including scribing divine scrolls. Very broken.
    Magus of the Starry Host|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|SpellcasterAlternate wizard with reflavoring. A total pain to play since he has to pilgrimage to learn a significant amount of spells.
    Qedeshot|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Skill monkey/Gish|Sort of a prostitute bard with more spells. Potentially awkward to play...
    Spy|Mythic Vistas: Testament|3|Gish, Sneak|Spellcasting rogue/monk.
    Agent |Northern Crown |4 |Skillmonkey |Nerfed Rogue
    Natural Philosopher |Northern Crown |1 |Caster |Extraordinary casting from a decent list
    Raider |Northern Crown |4 |Melee |Barbarian-type with minor buffs, better skills
    Rake |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Swashbuckler-type; really weird save/BA progression
    Scout |Northern Crown |5 |Skillmonkey |Noncasting Ranger/Rogue with weird Combat Style feats
    Soldier |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Fighter with more limited feat selection
    Witch |Northern Crown |2 |Caster |Really good at buffing other witches.
    Holy Champion (Philosophic Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type skillmonkey
    Holy Champion (Bearer of Woe) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Fist of the Forest/Paladin-type; gains bonuses with damage received
    Holy Champion (Knight of Twelve Oaks) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Paladin-type; spell-sharing with allies
    Holy Champion (Beltinian Hospitaler) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with improved casting
    Holy Champion (Twilight Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee (Skilled)|Rogue+Shadowdancer+Paladin+Shadow Conjurations; no UMD
    Holy Champion (Sentinel of the Blazing Wyrm)|Player's Guide to Arcanis|5|Melee |Paladin-type with weak blast-oriented alterations
    Holy Champion (Storm Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with, some useful debuff/teleport effects
    Holy Champion (Harbinger of the Dawn) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Lawful Paladin, eventually with lots of smites
    Holy Champion (Fatespinner) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type; Reroll-oriented class features
    Holy Champion (Deathbringer) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Evil Paladin-type with debuffing class features
    Holy Champion (Holy Judge) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Lawful Paladin-type
    Holy Champion (Verdant Champion) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with druid spells
    Holy Champion (Tainted Keeper) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type focused on Demon hunting; gains abilities of a chosen demon
    Holy Champion (Sea Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|3 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type with a slowly-developing mini-shapechange
    Patrician |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Skillmonkey |Social skillmonkey with built-in Leadership (not factored in Tier)
    Priest |Player's Guide to Arcanis|2 |Caster |Basically a Cleric minus armor, plus minor numeric party buffs
    Occisor|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|4|Gish/Skillmonkey|A rogue-esque soulknife variant that doesn't utterly suck.
    Rhi'zen|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|3|Psionics/Melee|Monk flavored Psychic Warrior.
    Swamp Lord of Pit Sseth|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|1|Spellcaster/Manifester|Weird class that can cast and manifest. Only gets up to 7th level spells........and powers.
    Mist Wanderer|Arcanis-Psionics Unbound|3|Manifester/Skillmonkey|A rogue flavored manifester with Psionic Warrior manifesting progression.
    Conflagration Knight|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee|A paladin with fire.
    Nerothian Reaper|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|3|Melee|A necromantic paladin with animating abilities.
    Sarishan Knife|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee/Sneak|An assassin class with Ranger spellcasting progression.
    Beholder Cultist|Complete Guide to Beholders|2|Alt. spellcaster|Uses beholder rays in a manner similar to spells. Essentially a nerfed wizard with different flavor.
    Blood Druid|Complete Guide to Drow|1|Spellcaster|Evil wizard alternative
    Assassin|Master Class-Assassin's Handbook|4|Gish/Skillmonkey/Sneak|Re-flavored rogue with death strike abilities.
    Witch|Master Class-Witch's Handbook|2|Spellcaster|Re-flavored wizard with transmutation focus. Basically an alter self monster. Tier 2 because no conjuration.
    Shaman|Master Class-Shaman's Handbook|1|Spellcaster/Buffer|Basically the exact same thing as a cleric, but with more druidic flavor.
    Cavalier|Master Class-Cavalier's Handbook|4|Melee|Fighter with progression picked out. More class features so it is more playable then a fighter.
    Dark Heart|Dezzavold-Fortress of the Drow|4|Melee|Barbarian with more class features and much darker fluff.
    Netherstrider|Dezzavold-Fortress of the Drow|4|Melee|Wild and uncivilized unarmed fighter. Full BAB with Flurry of Blows though!
    Yogi|Complete Guide to Rakshasas|3|Gish/Buffer|Complete Guide to Rakshasas|Decent class, like a monk with Bard spellcasting progression.




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    Added in Master Classes (except Avatar's handbook. I don't have that one) and a few classes from racial supplements.
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    This is getting me to look at a lot of classes I wouldn't otherwise. The Yogi and the Swamplord are pretty cool.

    And looking over the Blood Druid's summoning, that is crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilpich View Post
    Put the table on the 1st page also. Anyone willing to do the Power Classes?
    Sure! I was just working on those.

    Also Darkness & Dread's monster-fodder classes:
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    Assassin |Power Classes: Assassin |5 |Melee |Sneak attack with double damage after study
    Gladiator |Power Classes: Gladiator |6 |Melee |Warrior class with ability to perform in combat
    Exorcist |Power Classes: Exorcist |1 |Caster |Cleric, plus class features, including lots of Turning
    Noble |Power Classes: Noble |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomancer with built-in Leadership
    Knight |Power Classes: Knight |6 |Melee |Chronically ripped off & bossed around as class features?
    Artificer |Power Classes: Artificer |2 |Caster |Sorcerer with dirt-cheap Golems; UMD abilities, no UMD skill (???)
    Hedge Wizard |Power Classes: Hedge Wizard |2 |Caster |Slow-advancement Wizard gish
    Explorer |Power Classes: Explorer |6 |Melee |Having a map: the base class
    Pirate |Power Classes: Pirate |5 |Melee |Knowledge monkey, eventually gets Water domain spells as Ex ability
    Alchemist |Power Classes: Alchemist |2 |Caster |Item Creation, no-save death poison and Polymorph Any Object at low levels
    Cabalist |Power Classes: Cabalist |1 |Caster |Skill-based casting without spell level caps
    Fool |Power Classes: Fool |5 |Skillmonkey |Mostly dead levels, compelling dip - mass Antagonise and huge Thrown weapon volley.
    Acolyte |Darkness & Dread |3 |Caster |Defensive buffer; 10-level class
    Alchemist |Darkness & Dread |3 |Caster |Battlefield Control; 10-level class
    Antiquarian |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Minor UMD abilities; 5-level class
    Apprentice |Darkness & Dread |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with limited list, UMD; 10-level class
    Artisan |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Somewhat variable skill list; 5-level class
    Beggar |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Crappy class, decent skills; 5-level class
    Engineer |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Focused on smashing objects; 5-level class
    Gambler |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Metagamey dice manipulation; 5-level class
    Grave Robber |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Ain't afraid of no ghosts; 5-level class
    Grifter |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomancy, Force self-destructive actions; 5-level class
    Herbalist |Darkness & Dread |3 |Caster |Buffer/healer; 10-level class
    Kennelmaster |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Handle animal bonuses; 5-level class
    Medium |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Monster-detection+UMD; 5-level class
    Merchant |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Treats markets as twice as wealthy; 5-level class
    Minstrel |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Bard-type, toned down; 5-level class
    Physician |Darkness & Dread |6 |Healer |Wisdom-based Lay on Hands x2; 10-level class
    Pit Fighter |Darkness & Dread |6 |Melee |Barbarian/Rogue, toned way down; 5-level class
    Prospector |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Trap specialist, reroll features; 5-level class
    Sage |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Variable skill list, big knowledge bonuses; 5-level class
    Sewerjack |Darkness & Dread |5 |Melee |Tough defenses, little else; 5-level class
    Thief |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Sneak attack, decent skills; 5-level class
    Tracker |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Utility feats, ranged sneak attack; 10-level class
    Veteran |Darkness & Dread |5 |Melee |Fighter, minus hald a feat; 10-level class
    Worker |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Variable skill list, physical ability increases; 5-level class
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    After leafing though Dragonmech and Chaos Mage, I think I'm going to avoid the weird systems until I have a chance to play with them. I'll look at the Mythic Vistas next.
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    Most mythic vistas are done, except Medieval Player's Handbook and (should we include this?) Red Star. My next step is going to be to add the Legends & Lairs "Path of X" supplements, the WoW Campaign Setting for d20, and do Nyambe - African Adventures' alternative classes.

    As for the yogi, I've actually played one - a yaksha elf yogi 3. It got slaughtered when the party attacked an aurak draconian way earlier when they were supposed to (they tried to immobilize it with web and then set the web on fire...but the aurak could teleport. 4 out of 6 of the players died, and that's because I was nice and didn't use my breath weapon at the end) but pre-death it was a very fun class to play.

    EDIT: I can do Dragonmech. I've run two separate campaigns with it actually, and Chaos Mage is pretty easy: straight up Tier 1. It's ridiculously powerful.
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    There's something weird going on with the tables' sort function. It looks like it's clustering our entries separately, probably due to spacing. Not anything to worry about now, but once this is done, it'd be really handy to be able to sort by Role and Tier.

    Anyway, here are the MVs, before I have to step out into anything new:
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    Cunning Man |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|4 |Crafter |Numeric buffing, social skills, UMD
    Natural Magician|Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|2 |Caster |Learn any Arcane spells; severely limited spell frequency
    Theurge |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|2 |Caster |Learn spells from any list, cast at low CL/DC
    Priest |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|1 |Caster |Slightly nerfed Cleric; can compel sinners to do penance
    Saint |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|4 |Caster |Very specific healing, curses, divinations and misc. miracles
    Canonist |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Diplomancer with new ways to break social skills
    Scholar |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|6 |Skillmonkey |Specialist in the Philosphical Dispute subsystem (seriously)
    Artist |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|6 |Skillmonkey |Specialist in the Art subsustem
    Buccaneer |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |6 |Melee |Weak sniper with melee area fear attack at level 11
    Sea Dog |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |6 |Melee |Gets pretty good at Profession (Sailor)
    Shantyman |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |5 |Buffer |Gets Bard's music, not much else
    Bokor |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |3 |Caster |Voodoo Sorcerer-types; damaged by casting; highly limited high-level slots
    Hougan |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |3 |Caster |Voodoo Cleric-types; High level spells (7+) may require quests
    Noble |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |5 |Skillmonkey |Social character with Leadership (not factored in tier)
    Pirate |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |4 |Melee |Panic with Demoralize, Charisma to AC; otherwise a crummy fighter rehash
    Prophet |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |2 |Caster |Spontaneous cleric-type
    Technologist |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |3 |Crafter |Build items with low-level spell effects
    Adept |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time, lots of skill points
    Charlatan |Masque of the Red Death |3 |Caster |Bard-style casting with skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time
    Metaphysician |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with skill-based failure mechanic, obnoxiously long casting time, lots of skill points
    Occultist |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time
    Athlete |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Melee |Fighter-type with a crummier feat list
    Explorer/Scout |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Melee |Fighter-type with Ranger skills and class features available
    Shootist |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Melee |Fighter-type with preselected feats (workable but bizarre advancements)
    Soldier |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Melee |Core fighter with extra skills
    Intellectual |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |Lots of Skill Focus: Knowledge; not a lot else.
    Parson |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Cannonfodder |Class features like the cleric's, without the spells (the -4 penalty adds insult to injury)
    Physician |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |10+Int skill points look interesting. Rigid skill lists and no class features do not. (And a Code of Conduct! :p)
    Scholar/Scientist|Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |10+Int skill points with no class features and 5 Knowledges as class skills
    Mystic |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time
    Medium |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time, talks to ghosts
    Shaman |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time, Druid's minor class features
    Spiritualist |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, obnoxiously long casting time
    Sleuth |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |Detection-based skills, Evasion as single notable class feature
    Criminal |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Skillmonkey |Trapfinding, Evasion and slow sneak attack progression
    Dandy |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |10+Int skill points, with a monthly diplomacy bonus.
    Journalist |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |The skill list you'd expect, and a couple bonuses to those checks.
    Tradesman |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |Lots of bonuses to Profession and Craft
    Mechanic |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |A couple bonuses to Craft
    Performer |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Skillmonkey |Bardic Music
    Assassin |Thieves' World |5 |Melee |Sneak with bonus prereq feats and sneak attack
    Godsworn |Thieves' World |3 |Melee |Wisdom-synergy like mad. 9th level casting from limited list, long casting times
    Initiate |Thieves' World |3 |Gish |Very limited spontaneous(ish) spells, but wide list choice, 6+Int skills
    Mage |Thieves' World |2 |Caster |Intelligence-based Spontaneous caster
    Noble |Thieves' World |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomacy focus, minor buffs/debuffs, Leadership (not factored in Tier)
    Priest |Thieves' World |2 |Caster |Spontaneous(ish) Cleric
    Ranger |Thieves' World |5 |Skillmonkey |No spells, more combat styles
    Savant |Thieves' World |6 |Skillmonkey |Various minor skill bonuses, Skill Mastery at ECL 2
    Survivor |Thieves' World |6 |Melee |Either the offensive or defensive Monk traits, and then not all
    Witch |Thieves' World |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Charisma-based caster; Druid/Sorcerer-like spell list
    Academician |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Gradually customizable skill list, lots of skill bonuses
    Berserker |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |4 |Melee |Barbarian with Trapsense swapped for Cleave and Intimidate features
    Jack-of-All-Trades|Mythic Vistas: Black Company |4 |Skillmonkey |Customizable skill list, lots of bonus feats, including temporary feat slots
    Noble |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomacy focus, minor buffs, Leadership (not factored in Tier)
    Scout |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Sniping focus; fighter feats, sudden strike
    Thief |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Rogue, minus UMD and ACFs
    Weapon Master |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Melee |Monk-type abilities, bigger numbers, action point-based movement
    Zealot |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Melee |The most times Toughness ever appeared in a base class, but a nice frenzy
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    I'm starting to wonder if there are any D&D writers who didn't sit down and say "let's write a class about social skills and give it a bunch of rubbish powers, but tag Leadership on, just to play it safe."

    EDIT:
    Missed Black Company. I'll get that, Thieves World and Masque of the Red Death next.

    EDIT2:
    Added to this post's chart. And seriously. Two more Diplomacy+Leadershippers.
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    I'm starting to wonder if there are any D&D writers who didn't sit down and say "let's write a class about social skills and give it a bunch of rubbish powers, but tag Leadership on, just to play it safe."

    EDIT:
    Missed Black Company. I'll get that, Thieves World and Masque of the Red Death next.

    EDIT2:
    Added to this post's chart. And seriously. Two more Diplomacy+Leadershippers.
    Yeah...whenever I got to one of those I called it a "Social/skillmonkey" role. I just...can't imagine why anyone thought a class thats main feature was leadership would help anyone...

    In other news, I ran into a problem while Tiering the mech pilot. As a class by itself the mech pilot has next to no abilities...except for when he's in a mech, at which point he's like upper Tier 2. I think I'm going to go through and find WBL and an average mech that corresponds to that wealth, and assume that's the mech the mech pilot has....

    EDIT: Not sure why the tables aren't letting us reorganize

    EDIT #2: Put the above list onto the main table. Still need to do Warcraft, Thieve's World, Dragonstar, Dragonmech, Path of X, some Encyclopaedia Arcane classes, and Avalance Press ()...should Iron Heroes be included?

    EDIT #3: put in some minor classes from random supplements. Discovered that the complete guide to wererats has some base classes....
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    Anyone know any classes that aren't on the table and I haven't already mentioned?
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    There is a Bio-Psion class in Dragonstar - Player's Companion and some classes in Elements of Magic book series.

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    There is a Bio-Psion class in Dragonstar - Player's Companion and some classes in Elements of Magic book series.
    Thanks Putting them in now. Any idea what Tier the alternate mage classes from Elements of Magic are?
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    Tossing in a couple more.
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    Gamba Fighter |Nyambe: African Adventures |5 |Melee |Fighter with half feats, Barbarian traits like speed, skills, DR
    Mchawi Wizard |Nyambe: African Adventures |1 |Caster |Wizard spell list, Necromancy specialization, Reincarnates after dying
    Nanala Rogue |Nyambe: African Adventures |4 |Skillmonkey |Rogue with Bonus feats, flexibly-ordered class features
    N'anga Cleric |Nyambe: African Adventures |1 |Caster |Influenced by spirit after spellcasting (as Binder's RP), choose between Druid/Cleric spells, choose between shapeshifting, turning and plant immunities
    Sei Sorcerer |Nyambe: African Adventures |2 |Caster |Sorcerer casting, a couple spells-known taxes, gain dragon-modeled abilities (DCs need fixing)
    Animal Lord |Sorcery & Steam |4 |Melee |Barbarian-type with skill-based Rage-type. Can get Pounce or Trip (as wolf) at level 1
    Artificer |Sorcery & Steam |5 |Skillmonkey |Builds inexpensive nonmagical items, large bonuses to disable device
    Musketeer |Sorcery & Steam |5 |Melee |Feats from a relevant list, mobility skills
    Thaumaturgist |Book of Fiends |1 |Caster |Cleric casting with familiar, daily free action summons and random deformations
    Nomad |Nile Empire |6 |Melee |Gain AC and Attack bonuses with each attack per round
    Scribe |Nile Empire |6 |Skillmonkey |Has Contacts, a weird mix of unarmed combat feats and a framework that can't use them
    Trader |Nile Empire |6 |Skillmonkey |Bonus skill points as a class feature; still comes up shy of 6+Int skill classes
    Arcane Mekanic |Iron Kingdoms |3 |Crafter |Builds/uses steampunk components of IK, Bard-rate prepared spells from Wizard list
    Bodger |Iron Kingdoms |5 |Skillmonkey |Craft-focus; all about quick-and-dirty toolmaking and repairs
    Fell Caller |Iron Kingdoms |4 |Buffer |Bardic Music, plus a variety of offensive mind-effects (Area fear and confusion, blasting)
    Gun Mage |Iron Kingdoms |3 |Gish |Delivers spells with bullets, built-in Arcane Strike
    [/table]

    I think Iron Kingdoms is at least as good a fit as a bunch of things on the list - it doesn't even change the casting mechanics in ways like Arcana Evolved or Thieves' World. I only know the core book classes, though. I tossed those in, and will see if I can track down any more (if there are any more) later on.

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    Thanks Putting them in now. Any idea what Tier the alternate mage classes from Elements of Magic are?
    Sadly, no. I have almost no sense of balance, so I wanted to hear other people's opinions .

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    There are Magic of Arcanis's base classes.

    AEG's Magic has a bunch of extra mages. Most are essentially Sorcerer/Wizard variants, but there are some neat things like a Monk-type with Strength-based spells.

    I can get both of those. I'm starting to dig this Arcanis setting (never noticed it before).

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    There are Magic of Arcanis's base classes.

    AEG's Magic has a bunch of extra mages. Most are essentially Sorcerer/Wizard variants, but there are some neat things like a Monk-type with Strength-based spells.

    I can get both of those. I'm starting to dig this Arcanis setting (never noticed it before).
    Yeah..i hadn't looked at it much before but it's pretty sick. And I have big plans for those holy warrior guys
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    If we're going comprehensive, I know Lion's Den Press has a few not listed here:
    Psionic Knight, Cavalier, Assassin, Fiendblade, Witch and Priest of the Celestial Spheres. I've only read the last one.
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    {table=head]CLASS |SOURCE |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
    Altherian Artificer |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Skillmonkey |Trap/breaking-stuff specialist; robot companion; useful Item creation at levels 13+; Wizard-light spell list at Bard rate
    Hedge Mage |Magic of Arcanis |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Wisdom casting counts as Arcane & Divine
    Shaman |Magic of Arcanis |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Divine caster manipulates spirits; spell list is mix of Cleric/Druid
    Spellblade |Magic of Arcanis |4 |Gish |Standard, if uninspired, gish. 3/4 BA and caps at 4th level spells at level 10.
    Suromar |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Gish |Psion-hunter with Bard spell progression. Abilities to block mental effects, deny psionic focus, Improved Evasion for Will, act before Initiative as a capstone
    Warder |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Gish |Ranger-like gish; Damage/skill bonuses in favored terrain and Ranger-like bonus feats, Bard-rate casting from defensive Druid/Sorcerer mashup spell list
    Chronomancer |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with additional time-themed spells, rerolls
    Elemental Adept |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with growing elemental companion and a minor elementally-themed power
    Totemist |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Eccentric spontaneous divine caster with interesting spell list, craft totems for minor metamagic-like effects
    Flesh Mage |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Spontaneous buffer/debuffer ignores SR, Dispels
    Mage Smith |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Constitution-based sorcerer with crafting emphasis, make weapons that deal alternate damage types, Cleric chassis
    Arcane Monk |Magic (AEG) |3 |Gish |Unarmed combat with Strength-based casting from a solid gish list
    Adept of the Awakened Eye|Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Madness-themed spontaneous caster ignores SR, Dispels; buff/mass debuff/battlefield control spell list, can burn spell slots/add casting time to ramp up caster level
    Number Magician |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with extra metamagic, metamagic cost reducers for specified targets, treat dice rolls as natural 20s
    Runewright |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Arcane-like spontaneous Wisdom caster, can add scroll-like enhancements to items/weapons that activate on use; spell list like Wizard, minus the summons/morphs
    Shadow Mage |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Arcane-like spontaneous Wisdom caster, Spell failure chance in light, spell list with shadow and manipulation themes (which apparently include Divine Favor/Power)
    Tinker |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Crafter with trapfinding makes inexpensive Robots, prepared spells (limited but versatile selection from Wizard list)
    Thaumaturge |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with access to ALL spells, gains domains, cannot use metamagic
    Witch |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Spell-point caster selects spells known from Sorcerer/Druid lists, access to free-form impromptu spell effects
    Holy Warrior |Book of the Righteous |5 |Melee |3.0 Paladin with a few extra ability options, but its own highly limited spell list
    Priest of the Celestial Spheres|Classes of Legend: Priest of the Celestial Spheres |2 |Caster |AD&D-styled Divine Caster whose spells are determined by Sphere selection (more elaborate domain-style thematic groups)
    Arcane Healer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Healer |NPC class prepares healing spells/defensive buffs very slowly
    Computer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Caster |NPC class with UMD, useful skills, Divination SLAs available a couple levels early
    Astrologer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |1 |Caster |Prepared caster with modified Wizard list (Improved Conjuration, nerfed Evocation and Illusion); invoking spells needs to be altered to take the spells' normal casting times
    Elementalist |Penumbra: Occult Lore |2 |Caster |Elemental Wizard, become Elemental, cast from Elementally-themed spell list
    Gleaner |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Caster |Trap spirits of dead characters in items; eventually gain ability to emulate trapped souls' abilities (skills, base attack), spam low-level spell effects
    Sympathetic Caster |Penumbra: Occult Lore |1 |Caster |Freeform Spell-point casting, within specified domains (eg. "Animals" or "Transformation")
    [/table]

    It's a shame most of Magic is horribly imbalanced; the Arcane Monk and Runewright are pretty cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eggs View Post
    If we're going comprehensive, I know Lion's Den Press has a few not listed here:
    Psionic Knight, Cavalier, Assassin, Fiendblade, Witch and Priest of the Celestial Spheres. I've only read the last one.
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    {table=head]CLASS |SOURCE |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
    Altherian Artificer |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Skillmonkey |Trap/breaking-stuff specialist; robot companion; useful Item creation at levels 13+; Wizard-light spell list at Bard rate
    Hedge Mage |Magic of Arcanis |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Wisdom casting counts as Arcane & Divine
    Shaman |Magic of Arcanis |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Divine caster manipulates spirits; spell list is mix of Cleric/Druid
    Spellblade |Magic of Arcanis |4 |Gish |Standard, if uninspired, gish. 3/4 BA and caps at 4th level spells at level 10.
    Suromar |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Gish |Psion-hunter with Bard spell progression. Abilities to block mental effects, deny psionic focus, Improved Evasion for Will, act before Initiative as a capstone
    Warder |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Gish |Ranger-like gish; Damage/skill bonuses in favored terrain and Ranger-like bonus feats, Bard-rate casting from defense-based Druid/Sorcerer mashup list
    Chronomancer |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with additional time-themed spells, rerolls
    Elemental Adept |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with growing elemental companion and a minor elementally-themed power
    Totemist |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Eccentric spontaneous divine caster with interesting spell list, craft totems for minor metamagic-like effects
    Flesh Mage |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Spontaneous buffer/debuffer ignores SR, Dispels
    Mage Smith |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Constitution-based sorcerer with crafting emphasis, make weapons that deal alternate damage types, Cleric chassis
    Arcane Monk |Magic (AEG) |3 |Gish |Unarmed combat with Strength-based casting from a solid gish list
    Adept of the Awakened Eye|Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Mad spontaneous caster ignores SR, Dispels; buff/mass debuff/battlefield control spell list, can burn spell slots/add casting time to ramp up caster level
    Number Magician |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with extra metamagic, metamagic cost reducers for specified targets, treat dice rolls as natural 20s
    Runewright |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Arcane-like spontaneous Wisdom caster, can add scroll-like enhancements to items/weapons that activate on use; spell list like Wizard, minus summons/morphs
    Shadow Mage |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Arcane-like spontaneous Wisdom caster, Spell failure chance in light, spell list with shadow and manipulation themes (and Divine Favor/Power, apparently)
    Tinker |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Crafter with trapfinding makes inexpensive Robots, prepared spells (limited but versatile selection from Wizard list)
    Thaumaturge |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with access to all spells, gains domains, cannot use metamagic
    Witch |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Spell-point caster selects spells known from Sorcerer/Druid lists, access to "freeform" impromptu spell effects
    Holy Warrior |Book of the Righteous |5 |Melee |3.0 Paladin with a few extra ability options, but its own highly limited spell list
    Priest of the Celestial Spheres|Classes of Legend: Priest of the Celestial Spheres |2 |Caster |AD&D-styled Divine Caster whose spells are determined by Sphere selection (more elaborate domain-style thematic groups)
    Arcane Healer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Healer |NPC class prepares healing spells/defensive buffs very slowly
    Computer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Caster |NPC class with UMD, useful skills, Divination SLAs available a couple levels early
    Astrologer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |1 |Caster |Prepared caster with modified Wizard list (Improved Conjuration, nerfed Evocation and Illusion); invoking spells needs to be altered to take the spells' normal casting times
    Elementalist |Penumbra: Occult Lore |2 |Caster |Elemental Wizard, become Elemental, cast from Elementally-themed spell list
    Gleaner |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Caster |Trap spirits of dead characters in items; eventually gain ability to emulate trapped souls' abilities (skills, base attack), spam low-level spell effects
    Sympathetic Caster |Penumbra: Occult Lore |1 |Caster |Freeform Spell-point casting, within specified domains (eg. "Animals" or "Transformation")
    [/table]

    It's a shame most of Magic is horribly imbalanced; the Arcane Monk and Runewright are pretty cool.
    I like the Flesh Mage too as a sort of buffer wizard, and the arcane monk is cool especially since it's actually balanced.

    I found a few articles on the Lion's Den Press classes but no downloads

    ...not that I would ever use 4shared to download books because that would be unethical.
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    I did not see the kingdom of kalamar Players guide (kenzer and co) classes
    Basarian Dancer
    Brigand
    Gladiator
    Infiltrator
    Shaman
    Spellsinger

    The book describes them as "variant" classes per DMG but they are full classes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilpich View Post
    I found a few articles on the Lion's Den Press classes but no downloads

    ...not that I would ever use 4shared to download books because that would be unethical.
    That would be the worst thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by hydraa View Post
    I did not see the kingdom of kalamar Players guide (kenzer and co) classes
    Good catch!
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    Basiran Dancer |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |4 |Gish |Alternate Bard with Two-Weapon Fighting feats and a very limited spell list
    Brigand |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Combat Rogue with preselected combat feats replacing skills and unique class features
    Gladiator |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Attack of Opportunity and feint specialist; high-DC area fear attack at high levels; morale attack bonus per log10 spectators
    Infiltrator |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Skillmonkey |Wilderness Rogue, but speed bonus instead of certain skills, special abilities
    Shaman |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |1 |Caster |Alternate Druid; gain bonuses and shapeshifting according to selected totem animal; Druid spell list+domains
    Spellsinger |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |2 |Caster |Primarily arcane spontaneous caster with eclectic spells list, access to Sonic spells from any list. (Sonic spells from divine lists cast as divine)
    Watchman |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Spell-less Urban Ranger. Variable bonus feat list and Favored Enemy-type bonuses against criminals
    Noble |All for One & One for All |6 |Skillmonkey |Gets party invitations as a class feature
    Priest |All for One & One for All |6 |Skillmonkey |Certain 1st level Cleric spells as SLAs up to 3/day; if it sinks 20ish skill points, can get party invitations as class feature
    Soldier |All for One & One for All |4 |Melee |Counts as Fighter, but gets extra bonus feats, including leadership, as well as a military division as a class feature
    Shaman |Aztecs: Empire of the Dying Sun |4 |Caster |Divine spells up to 7th level from very short list; Mostly cures, plant-tending and Summon Nature's Ally
    Nagual |Aztecs: Empire of the Dying Sun |-- |Caster |Spontaneous arcane casting from ANY spell list, force rerolls, large daily skill bonuses, capstone is omnipotence
    Noble Knight |I, Mordred: The Fall & Rise of Camelot |5 |Melee |Fighter with 4 feats replaced with Paladin class features
    Totem Speaker |Transcendence (Arcana Evolved) |3 |Gish |Geomancer-like base class; Skill points based on Wisdom, 7th level spells at ECL 20
    [/table]


    Dear Avalanche Press,

    What is wrong with you?

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    That would be the worst thing.

    Good catch!
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    Basiran Dancer |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |4 |Gish |Alternate Bard with Two-Weapon Fighting feats and a very limited spell list
    Brigand |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Combat Rogue with preselected combat feats replacing skills and unique class features
    Gladiator |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Attack of Opportunity and feint specialist; high-DC area fear attack at high levels; morale attack bonus per log10 spectators
    Infiltrator |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Skillmonkey |Wilderness Rogue, but speed bonus instead of certain skills, special abilities
    Shaman |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |1 |Caster |Alternate Druid; gain bonuses and shapeshifting according to selected totem animal; Druid spell list+domains
    Spellsinger |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |2 |Caster |Primarily arcane spontaneous caster with eclectic spells list, access to Sonic spells from any list. (Sonic spells from divine lists cast as divine)
    Watchman |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Spell-less Urban Ranger. Variable bonus feat list and Favored Enemy-type bonuses against criminals
    Noble |All for One & One for All |6 |Skillmonkey |Gets party invitations as a class feature
    Priest |All for One & One for All |6 |Skillmonkey |Certain 1st level Cleric spells as SLAs up to 3/day; if it sinks 20ish skill points, can get party invitations as class feature
    Soldier |All for One & One for All |4 |Melee |Counts as Fighter, but gets extra bonus feats, including leadership, as well as a military division as a class feature
    Shaman |Aztecs: Empire of the Dying Sun |4 |Caster |Divine spells up to 7th level from very short list; Mostly cures, plant-tending and Summon Nature's Ally
    Nagual |Aztecs: Empire of the Dying Sun |-- |Caster |Spontaneous arcane casting from ANY spell list, force rerolls, large daily skill bonuses, capstone is omnipotence
    Noble Knight |I, Mordred: The Fall & Rise of Camelot |5 |Melee |Fighter with 4 feats replaced with Paladin class features
    Totem Speaker |Transcendence (Arcana Evolved) |3 |Gish |Geomancer-like base class; Skill points based on Wisdom, 7th level spells at ECL 20
    [/table]


    Dear Avalanche Press,

    What is wrong with you?

    XOXO
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    I find it hard to believe Avalanche Press creates work of such...abysmal quality..................

    On another note, Arcana Unearthed got it right I think, and I now have access to Sovereign Stone
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