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2012-04-20, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Demisexuals not sure but I could probably fit them in somewhere if I were designing a real survey.
As for pansexuals I still don't see the difference between being pan and being bi. I know the definitions but they still seem almost identical if not identical to being bi.
Besides a pansexual could still answer all these questions.Last edited by pffh; 2012-04-20 at 12:22 PM.
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2012-04-20, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
And why did they put it on Hitler's Birthday?
I think we should have a day when we build large bonfires and burn queerphobes in effigy. a) it would be much more fun, and b) we'd get more attention. We could burn sausages and marshmallows and do all the other things people do on these occasions.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-20, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
You should use bold text, not italic. All quoted text turns italic.
Maybe demisexuals can fill it in in grey and then everyone else can use black? (Get it, 'cause they're grey asexuals.)
As far as I can tell, bi and pan are the same for all practical purposes. It's like a carpet versus a rug. The terms are often used interchangeably. I know a guy whose self-description fits the definition of pan better than that of bi, but he identifies as bi.Jude P.
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2012-04-20, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
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2012-04-20, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
That's not a very nice way to put it! I assume it's an awareness raising thing, since the idea is you go about your normal life (to class or whatever), just silently and people might then think "Oh, people who aren't straight might feel like they have to be silent around me. I should be a better ally." or "As a closeted bisexual, it makes me feel supported to know that X is such a strong supporter of LGBT+ rights that they'll stay silent for a whole day to make that point." or whatever. I don't know if there are statistics that show any particular concrete effect, but every little helps!
I read that as you sneaking the milk while the mother was asleep and I was like "Uh, Nope, you should probably not steal baby-milk. They need that stuff!".
Could easily stimulate blood flow or some such. Question is, is that helpful or neutral (or harmful, but I doubt it)?
I was thinking x and y, so a plane. (0,0) being asexual, then y-axis being "attracted to men" and x-axis being "attracted to women". Very simplistic. Then you could add z-axis for more complexity. And you could track through time by having a line or a curve rather than a point.
Agreed on the icecream! I understand acupuncture has been recognised by the WHO for helping with certain conditions, including fatigue, so that suggests it has been proven to match or exceed placebo results for those conditions. I don't know if it's better than anyone who invites you to a special soothing room, asks you about your health problems, assures you they will apply their skills to your particular issue, gets you to lie down and does something difficult-seeming for them and relaxing for you. I don't know how _good_ a placebo they're measuring against, or how much better acupuncture was than their placebo. I would certainly believe it would beat a hastily dispensed sugar pill, I have my doubts of its chances against something more along the lines of what I described!
A man I know tells me his father, unable to go under anaesthetic due to allergy problems, had an acupuncture practitioner fly in from China (they're Swiss, apparently this was covered by their insurance. Wow!) and isolate a nerve in his neck and stick a needle in it so his arm went totally numb and they could do surgery on his shoulder. That seems beyond placebo!
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I talk too much, it takes too long for me to make my posts. My headache isn't helping!Last edited by KenderWizard; 2012-04-20 at 12:34 PM.
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2012-04-20, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-20, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
But carpets and rugs are different! At least here. Carpets are stuck down and usually cover the whole area up to the walls. Rugs aren't and often have nice edges and usually don't cover the whole area.
I just heard the word "greysexual" recently, and I really liked it! Is it used the same as "demisexual" or not? Because it seemed more like someone who just generally didn't feel very much sexual desire, rather than someone who feels sexual desire only after building a strong emotional connection.
Just the arm, though? I mean, they were sawing his bone! It seemed very impressive, but you're right, I wouldn't rule it out 100%. It's just going to be really difficult to do controlled experiments!
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2012-04-20, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-20, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-20, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Acupuncture is on those rare cures that I wouldn't hesitate to call miraculous. It gives the patient non-localized, vague benefits whether its practitioner follows the tried and true path of Chinese tradition, sticks the needles in randomly, or doesn't stick the needles in at all! What could that possibly be call but miraculous?
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...n_true_acu.php... I came to appreciate that mountains make poor receptacles for dreams.
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2012-04-20, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Just wondering how many peeps shared my personal definition:
I tend to think of bisexual as attraction to two or more genders. Poly = many, and pan = all. parallelogram - rectangle - square theory.
Or is that wildly inaccurate? (I dunno, a lotta bi folk are gonna say they're not exclusively attracted to cis-gendered humans, and then you're gonna take ages drawing the line)░Avatar altered from sensate's░
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2012-04-20, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
If you want to get your point across you can't always be nice.
If there's no concrete effects then no, this doesn't help. How many people think this? Is there a more effective way to do the same thing? Has it been studied?
The Day of Silence has been going on for 16 years. Has there been any attempts to seriously evaluate this?
Edit: It just seems to me the great civil rights leaders won their victories by speaking up, not shutting up.Last edited by Asta Kask; 2012-04-20 at 01:25 PM.
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2012-04-20, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-20, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-20, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-20, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-20, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
I'm with Rawhide on this one. I've always been bothered by the "need" to specify pansexual.
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2012-04-20, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Outside the gender binary's OK. But I feel that saying "Oh, I like trans people too" is kind of pointing out the "difference" they have to cis people. Like saying that if you don't specifically identify as pansexual, then it's like you're saying "Oh, I like men and women... but not *those* trans people". When in reality it shouldn't really matter. Trans women are women and trans men are men. If you like men, you don't have to specify "Oh, I like trans men too". Trans men are men. Maybe a specific person will like trans men, maybe they won't. It's kind of like people saying they like or dislike certain features. That doesn't make them featuresexual. The difference between a cis man and a trans man should be nothing different than the difference between a man with brown eyes and a man with green eyes. May be more or less desirable for some, but is still just a man.
... That made more sense in my head. I haven't felt well at all, I hope that was at elast somewhat understandable.
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2012-04-20, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Well, there is a significant difference for many people in the form of the equipment. Equipment being, after all, the part of the person arguably most relevant to the "-sexual" part of hetero-, bi-, or homo-. But I do agree that you don't need an additional label to specify, given that gender/sex disagreement allows pretty much any label to be applicable depending on inclusiveness and inclination.
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2012-04-20, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Meh, I'm not really bothered by the different ways people choose to label their sexual orientation. *shrugs*
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2012-04-20, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
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2012-04-20, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Woah!
That guy I mentioned has told me to get acupuncture. I reeeeeally don't feel like dropping a hundred quid on someone sticking some needles in me. Apparently I should just ask my friend to do it! Then I could spend that money on bagels!
There's a difference between there being "no concrete data on benefits" and "no benefits at all", since there may or may not be real studies (sloppy googling isn't working, I have a headache) and it's pretty hard to tease people's feelings out in surveys. For all we know, it does help. It helps people who do it and it raises awareness. No, that's not all we can do, but it's not all we do do. No, it's not the most helpfulest thing in the world, but sometimes, a little is all we have to give, and there's no reason not to, even if it only makes a little difference, only to you and your friends and your school. That's okay. It calls attention, like speaking does, and it's something that stands out a bit, more than a poster at a school, I'd say. We should not do things that are harmful. I doubt this harms anything, so why not?
I agree with this. I have absolutely no problem with someone calling themselves "pansexual". I use "bisexual" because I identify with it; I heard it first, it's easy to use because the people around me understand it, it works for what I want the word to do, which is to name my identity so I can express it to others. If you want your word to name your identity in a way that avoids any suggestion of a gender binary, that's fine too, and I definitely understand it.
The only problem I have is when people say "pansexual means not 'seeing' gender" / "I'm attracted to people, not genders" / "because I'm attracted to all people, not just cis people" / "because I'm attracted to trans people". All of which are frankly pretty rude to people who use the word "bisexual" (as discussed before, words don't always mean exactly what they would mean if English was Lego and all the bits were always all the same) and also don't make a huge amount of sense. I don't think anyone is attracted to genders. Straight women are not attracted to ALL men. And the last one is a bit weird, because it implies that trans people aren't in the "bi" but are in the "pan", which I don't like the implications of. Again, "bisexual" doesn't mean "only attracted to those who conform to the gender binary" and also, trans men are still men, etc.
Not that it keeps me up at night, just my thoughts are ... long. Speaking of up all night, I'm going to bed!
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2012-04-20, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
There's something called opportunity cost. I don't know how much money the promotion of the Day of Silence cost, and it probably isn't much, but could the money, could the time, could the enthusiasm be used better. That's something anyone who has limited resources has to consider.
Now, we don't know that it helps. For all we know it hurts - we have no less data supporting that. Does it raise consciousness? We don't know. Do people remember this the week after? We don't know.
It's been 16 years - an evaluation would be nice, otherwise we don't know whether we should be doing this or something else.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-20, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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That guy I mentioned has told me to get acupuncture. I reeeeeally don't feel like dropping a hundred quid on someone sticking some needles in me. Apparently I should just ask my friend to do it! Then I could spend that money on bagels! QUOTE]
Not to be the grim Kobold of today, but that might be far more dangerous than it sounds. I can't find the link, but I recently read a site talking about the cases where pseudoscience caused actual harm (to disspell the idea that homeopathy and others are harmless), and... Well, the needless punctured the lungs. ;_;
On a slightly less grim topic, I quite agree that pansexuality and bisexuality are both equally valid. As long as everybody is having fun and not backtalking the other words, it should be fine.
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2012-04-20, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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There are many studies that support acupuncture. Some are good, some are large, but when you do a good, large study the results vanish. A common trick when results fail to appear is to concludethat since the placebo results were as good as the actual treatment, the placebo must be effective as well!
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...ure-revisited/
http://whatstheharm.net/acupuncture.html
One problem is that many acupuncturists do not grasp that there's a need for keeping needles sterile. And if they practice what they preach, they shouldn't think so - after all, diseases are caused by disrupted energy flow along the meridians, not by bacteria or viruses. So abscesses and transfer of blood-borne diseases are rather common compared to when you go to a real hospital.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-20, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
I go beyond skepticism for homeopathy and say that it's quite frankly offensive to anyone that studies and practices real actual medicine and dangerous for the poor people that believe in this crap and I will go out of my way to verbally state my offense to people that peddle this crap.
Acupuncture on the other hand is still in the iffy area and I've both seen studies that show that it has the same effect as a placebo and studies that show it has slightly better effect then a placebo on certain things like anxiety and stress. Still I would be very skeptical and if someone actually decides to have it done to them (although I'd probably advise against it) make sure the needles are sterile.
In other topics is there a special word in english for the cover you use on you when you sleep or is it just a cover?Last edited by pffh; 2012-04-20 at 04:31 PM.
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2012-04-20, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also, to be more straightforward, the placebo effect is basically just the gestalt of all of the stuff that the researchers couldn't account for in the study, including their own biases. It's noise that can't itself be used in any significant way in any sort of medicine. Acupuncture does not work.
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2012-04-20, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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