Nifty little monk trick

[Emperor Tippy]

Take a look at the sizing weapon ability from the Magic Item Compendium (page 43). It says that upon activation you can change the size category of your weapon to any other that you desire.

Well a monk's entire body qualifies as a weapon per their unarmed strike entry.

So get an amulet of natural attacks with the sizing ability on it and a monk can change to any size he wants as a swift action. All for a mere 5,000 GP.

[Urpriest]

Any size as a weapon. Doesn't change his size as a creature.

[Vegan Zombie]

This discovery could raise the monk class by a whole tier!

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Take a look at the sizing weapon ability from the Magic Item Compendium (page 43). It says that upon activation you can change the size category of your weapon to any other that you desire.

Well a monk's entire body qualifies as a weapon per their unarmed strike entry.

So get an amulet of natural attacks with the sizing ability on it and a monk can change to any size he wants as a swift action. All for a mere 5,000 GP.

However, despite any actual size change, the only mechanical benefits of this is the increased damage from his natural attacks. Thus you could have a theoretically 100 foot tall Medium sized creature...

Hilarity ensues.

[marcielle]

That might actually turn out better according to the ruling as he'd still fit in dungeons but deal collosal unarmed damage. OR it might just give him a massive penalty for him being too big to be wielded by himself? Or maybe both. Herpaderp.

Edit: Half ninja'd.

[Flickerdart]

Don't forget that you can't wield a weapon that is too big for you - so a Medium Monk that is using this to be Huge no longer has an unarmed strike at all.

[marcielle]

Does that mean he can't move at all? Since his whole body is the weapon he can't wield?

[Big Fau]

You were beaten by a couple of years.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Does that mean he can't move at all? Since his whole body is the weapon he can't wield?

He can move, with no penalties. He just can't attack.

No one said it had to make sense.

[Emperor Tippy]

Any size as a weapon. Doesn't change his size as a creature.

That's debatable. It changes the weapon's size category. Per unarmed strike the monk is the weapon. Ergo it changes the monk's size category.

[The Glyphstone]

That's debatable. It changes the weapon's size category. Per unarmed strike the monk is the weapon. Ergo it changes the monk's size category.

Strictly by the wording of Unarmed Strike, the monk is not his own weapon, he can just use any part of his body to deliver an unarmed strike. So what this actually does under that interpretation is a perfectly normal, Medium/Small monk, who activates his Necklace and suddenly has a Colossal fist/elbow/knee/head without changing the rest of his body size at all.

[VGLordR2]

So let's say you use this to make yourself a Huge weapon. According to the PHB, this will advance your Unarmed Strike from a simple light weapon to a two-handed weapon. This means that you have to use two hands to punch someone with one hand. Weird. Also, this should technically give you the Strength and 1/2 bonus to damage. Unless you want to rule that Strength and 1/2 is based on the offhand dealing 1/2 damage. In the case of the Monk, there is no off hand, so you could argue that the Monk will get double Strength damage from this.

[Flickerdart]

According to the PHB, this will advance your Unarmed Strike from a simple weapon to a two-handed weapon

Simple is a weapon proficiency category, two-handed is a weapon size category. It doesn't work that way.

[Empedocles]

Strictly by the wording of Unarmed Strike, the monk is not his own weapon, he can just use any part of his body to deliver an unarmed strike. So what this actually does under that interpretation is a perfectly normal, Medium/Small monk, who activates his Necklace and suddenly has a Colossal fist/elbow/knee/head without changing the rest of his body size at all.

If we're strictly talking RAW, The Glyphstone's interpretation makes the most sense. However, if your elbow is colossal...would that not increase your overall size based on the average of your normal size and the size of a colossal weapon?

So, if you see that colossal is 4 steps away from medium, and you average that (4/2=2...obviously) and go 2 steps up from medium...you end up with a disproportionate, but still size "Huge" monk. That's not RAW, but it makes more sense then a medium monk with colossal body parts...

[The Glyphstone]

If we're strictly talking RAW, The Glyphstone's interpretation makes the most sense. However, if your elbow is colossal...would that not increase your overall size based on the average of your normal size and the size of a colossal weapon?

So, if you see that colossal is 4 steps away from medium, and you average that (4/2=2...obviously) and go 2 steps up from medium...you end up with a disproportionate, but still size "Huge" monk. That's not RAW, but it makes more sense then a medium monk with colossal body parts...

But it is significantly less funny. With my way, you can let your fighting capabilities literally go to your head.

[VGLordR2]

Simple is a weapon proficiency category, two-handed is a weapon size category. It doesn't work that way.

Oops, my mistake. I meant Light, which is a size category.

[Flickerdart]

Unarmed strikes are not light weapons.

[NNescio]

Strictly by the wording of Unarmed Strike, the monk is not his own weapon, he can just use any part of his body to deliver an unarmed strike. So what this actually does under that interpretation is a perfectly normal, Medium/Small monk, who activates his Necklace and suddenly has a Colossal fist/elbow/knee/head without changing the rest of his body size at all.

Next slap on Morphing...

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[ShneekeyTheLost]

If we're strictly talking RAW, The Glyphstone's interpretation makes the most sense. However, if your elbow is colossal...would that not increase your overall size based on the average of your normal size and the size of a colossal weapon?

Consider the old Loony Toons gag of sticking your thumb in your mouth and blowing your fist up to ridiculous proportions. I believe this is analogous.

I could also compare it to one of the major occupants of my bulk mail folder, but that would be sophomoric, misogynistic, and quite possibly against forum rules.

[The Glyphstone]

Consider the old Loony Toons gag of sticking your thumb in your mouth and blowing your fist up to ridiculous proportions. I believe this is analogous.

I could also compare it to one of the major occupants of my bulk mail folder, but that would be sophomoric, misogynistic, and quite possibly against forum rules.

Well, in the rightwrong sort of game, that can also be used to make a Monk's unarmed strikes...

[Hiro Protagonest]

Oops, my mistake. I meant Light, which is a size category.

Unarmed strikes aren't light, though. Or one-handed. They're in their own separate category. Which means that they don't become two-handed, they remain unarmed.

[VGLordR2]

Unarmed strikes are not light weapons.

I just noticed that. However, if that is true, then the weapon will not increase in weapon size category. Which is the only thing preventing you from weilding a larger weapon, as seen on page 113 of the Player's Handbook. If Unarmed Strikes are not light, then they will not progress in weapon size categories, meaning that there is nothing stopping you from wielding a Colossal-sized fist.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

I just noticed that. However, if that is true, then the weapon will not increase in weapon size category. Which is the only thing preventing you from weilding a larger weapon, as seen on page 113 of the Player's Handbook. If Unarmed Strikes are not light, then they will not progress in weapon size categories, meaning that there is nothing stopping you from wielding a Colossal-sized fist.

Unfortunately, that is not true, as you have a size progression chart depicting the damage of Large and Small sized natural attacks. Thus they will, in fact, increase in size categories, and it will stop you from using one two sizes too big.

[tonberrian]

Unarmed strikes are not light weapons.

What.This text is of a color that could be considered white.

An unarmed strike is always considered a light weapon.

[gallagher]

so if it changes the weapons size

and you have your unarmed strike be a pelvic thrust...

[VGLordR2]

Unfortunately, that is not true, as you have a size progression chart depicting the damage of Large and Small sized natural attacks. Thus they will, in fact, increase in size categories, and it will stop you from using one two sizes too big.

They will increase by size categories, not weapon size categories. The only restriction for wielding oversized weapons is found on PHB 113. However, unarmed strikes do not progress in that way, and thus will not be affected.

[Lateral]

Next slap on Morphing...

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No, next slap on Fleshgrinding. Think of the hilarious possibilities! You punch a guy in the head, your hand rips off and starts clawing at their face!

[Flickerdart]

No, next slap on Fleshgrinding. Think of the hilarious possibilities! You punch a guy in the head, your hand rips off and starts clawing at their face!

You only have one unarmed strike. So your entire body will be doing the flesh...grinding.

[NNescio]

You only have one unarmed strike. So your entire body will be doing the flesh...grinding.

Free grapple!

[Doxkid]

You only have one unarmed strike. So your entire body will be doing the flesh...grinding.

I like where this is going...