My Little Pony XLIIV: Season II Ruined My Fanon!

[Silverraptor]

This picture - so much irony

If its about the gif, I know, he told me. If its about the picture I had him forward on to you, then I'm missing the irony...

Don't worry I sent the picture now " YOU CAN STOP TELEPORTING ME NOW!"

Never! Its too much fun!

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[Aotrs Commander]

Okay, I'll bite.

Again, to be conservative (as scientific method dictates, we're trying to establish lower limit) - what it it wasn't heavy, very dense rock like above, but something like coal? It would even fit Discord's warped sense of humor - both coal and diamond are the same thing, just differently ordered. Plus, I'd assume Rarity knows how much gemstones should weight. So, based on that, here are some coal density figures:

Typical Bulk Density of Coal

• Anthracite Coal : 50 - 58 (lb/ft3), 800 - 929 (kg/m3)
• Bituminous Coal : 42 - 57 (lb/ft3), 673 - 913 (kg/m3)
• Lignite Coal : 40 - 54 (lb/ft3), 641 - 865 (kg/m3)

Fair point - however, as you say, Rarity would know the density of diamond (and that rock doesn't look like coal).

Diamond is actually three times denser than coal, with a density of around 3500 kg/m3, (closer to what my estimate of the rocks were); a sufficiently big difference that Rarity would notice.

So it ain't likely to be coal.

Counterpoint - what if unicorns can use internal telekinesis to supplement their muscles, much like Jedi Knights? Twilight was easily capable of feats far outweighing any pony physical ability, I'd not assume she is necessarily the weakest if she can harness but a fraction of that to power her muscles. Remember, she placed near top spot in race despite zero formal preparation and little to none physical activity, versus whole town of rural ponies.

Doesn't seem at all likely to me. Not only is that sort of thing preportedly the Earth pony's area, but there's no evidence of that - in fact, given Pound Cake's strength (able to kick a metal fixture apart while barely being old enough to have come home from hospital) - not to mention Fluttershy and Dash's performances over the series, would seem to suggest that pegasus are equally as strong, and I just don't see Earth ponies being the weakest. (Not to mention I wouldn't even know how to calculate how much strength it takes Applejack to kick a tree so hard the fruit falls off.)

A character can generally push or drag along the ground as much as five times his or her maximum load. Favorable conditions can double these numbers, and bad circumstances can reduce them to one-half or less.

If what Rarity did was just embellished version of the above, necessary Str drops to 20, impressive but not nearly godlike value.

Given both she and Twilight very clearly were carrying the weight, I don't think we can say that. Fluff interpretations are all well and good, but I draw the line at them violating the stated mechanical rules. Certainly as a DM I wouldn't allow that fluff interpretation. If they can lift it, they can lift it. If they can't lift it, [the player] doesn't get to say they can.

So, even if we assume they are staggering at 5'/round (which I don't agree with, given their moving speeds, but go on), and your lower size estimate, they still come out at around Strength 38. (three times your estimate of 1600 lbs = 4800, which is double heavy load (2400 lbs) for str 38).

And, in interest of conservative values - what if Rarity is medium quadruped, if only for purposes of weight load? Then, the scores drop to 22 and 14-15, the latter figure being almost completely in mundane range for someone living in rural village

Okay, 4800/1.5 = 3200, double the heavy load of Str 35.

Still way above human. (Though honestly, unless you get into the realm of Star Trek's polystyrene boulders, that should be obvious, just on the proportions.)

It's almost like D&D is a poor tool for modelling such things.

There is that.

But it's what we've got to work with!

(Though the raw numbers of weight capacity speak for themselves anyway...)

[Trixie]

If its about the gif, I know, he told me.

Yes, about gif. Here, have some more gifs while I count the votes ^^"

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[CrnivorousMeece]

Never! Its too much fun!

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Okay fine. *stands still*

[Soras Teva Gee]

Fair point - however, as you say, Rarity would know the density of diamond (and that rock doesn't look like coal).

Diamond is actually three times denser than coal, with a density of around 3500 kg/m3, (closer to what my estimate of the rocks were); a sufficiently big difference that Rarity would notice.

So it ain't likely to be coal.

Well its not like we can count on Rarity to notice a weight difference while Discorded either. It looks like a rock we have to go with it being a rock, not coal.

[Kurgan]

Mark me for another "This Thread is Going to be Perfect".

[Trixie]

Sooo, that's...

"This thread is going to be perfect" 4
"Stashing Ponythreads around the Internet in case of Pony emergency" 4

EDIT: Oh, with Kurgan, we have tie-break here. And I guess I could vote for it, too, though I never vote :P

[Aotrs Commander]

Well its not like we can count on Rarity to notice a weight difference while Discorded either. It looks like a rock we have to go with it being a rock, not coal.

Yes.

Now, if there were any budding geologists in the thread, they might be able to give us a better idea of what sort of rock it might be, based on colour and observed physical properties. (I.e., I can't remember - did at any point Twi or Rarity dump it uncerimoniously on the ground when they stopped carrying it? Because it's have to be fairly sturdy stuff to survive that if so, as something relatively light like sandstone is likely to break on a three foot drop to the floor.)

But like I said when I ran the numbers the first time, I'm a necromancer, not a geologist!

[Emperordaniel]

I'm also voting for "This Thread is Going to be Perfect".

Did at any point Twi or Rarity dump it uncerimoniously on the ground when they stopped carrying it? Because it's have to be fairly sturdy stuff to survive that if so, as something relatively light like sandstone is likely to break on a three foot drop to the floor.

Well, Twilight DID drop it from off one of her library's balconies at one point... I'm pretty sure that's quite a bit more than three feet.

[horngeek]

I vote for 'This Thread is Going to Be Perfect'.

The kind of thread since I have dreamed since I was small...
Everypony will gather 'round
Say I look lovely with my av
What they don't know is that I have fooled them all!

{{If someone writes up a full song of this, I will give them cookies.}}

[Soras Teva Gee]

Trixie if you need one I'll go for "this thread is going to be perfect"

[Silverraptor]

*Looks at sudden votes*

I think we have a winner.

[Trixie]

Great, it's settled, then

Waiting for usual hate now. Also, anyone has abandon thread pics? ^^"

[Beacon of Chaos]

[TimeForSP]

Great, it's settled, then

Waiting for usual hate now. Also, anyone has abandon thread pics? ^^"